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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Aug 25, 2024 18:37:07 GMT -5
I wish he'd sing properly live, like he does on record, instead of just shouting. It's grating, generally sounds poor, and does the songs a disservice.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Aug 25, 2024 19:45:40 GMT -5
ive got the video and audio from tonights reading set i'll upload them tomorrow cos im off to kip soon
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Aug 25, 2024 20:50:46 GMT -5
I wish he'd sing properly live, like he does on record, instead of just shouting. It's grating, generally sounds poor, and does the songs a disservice. Live Forever and Supersonic on YT. He seems a bit drunk.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Aug 25, 2024 23:44:55 GMT -5
It's pretty cool that the big globe from Liam's stage set up will be on display at the Co-op Live in Manchester where visitors can see it before all events. The globe was auctioned for charity (for the place Liam's dog Buttons comes from) and the Co-op Live took it x.com/NiallHarbison/status/1826269635102257445Do you have a source you meant to link? That link goes to the story about Liam's dog.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Aug 26, 2024 7:08:42 GMT -5
I wish he'd sing properly live, like he does on record, instead of just shouting. It's grating, generally sounds poor, and does the songs a disservice. Live Forever and Supersonic on YT. He seems a bit drunk. He performs that way at every gig. He can't be drunk every night.
I think doing the snarling punk rocker bit, removing every semblance of proper vocal technique and just shredding his vocal chords, is his armor. That persona is what enables him to get on stage in front of all those people.
Just like Robert Smith with his lipstick and eyeliner, Bowie disappearing into fictional characters he'd created, and so on. But ultimately it's a crutch -- like needing to drink or take drugs before you can perform. And it bothers me for the simple fact that it sounds awful. He could get away with it when he was 24 and his voice was powerful, but his voice is too damaged to sound good that way now.
I still like Liam's voice: I just wanna hear him use it properly live like he does on record. I wanna hear him use his head voice, modulate, and sustain notes, instead of swerving high notes and doing that horrible clipped shouting...
MAYBE I JUST WANNA FLA-!!! WANNA LIVE, I DON'T DA-!!! MAYBE I JUST WANNA BRE-!!! MAYBE I JUST DON'T BELIE-!!!
Enough is enough, Liam. Act your age and do the right thing for once. Be professional, not a punk rock poser.
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Post by thestylecouncil on Aug 26, 2024 8:30:45 GMT -5
It's pretty cool that the big globe from Liam's stage set up will be on display at the Co-op Live in Manchester where visitors can see it before all events. The globe was auctioned for charity (for the place Liam's dog Buttons comes from) and the Co-op Live took it x.com/NiallHarbison/status/1826269635102257445Do you have a source you meant to link? That link goes to the story about Liam's dog. Read the whole thread of this tweet and there the full story of Liam donating the globe and the Co-op Live taking it gets told
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Post by El Auténtico Dios on Aug 26, 2024 9:58:42 GMT -5
seen the whole thing. Better than expected. 👌🏼
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Post by PepsiNebula on Aug 26, 2024 10:26:21 GMT -5
Do you have a source you meant to link? That link goes to the story about Liam's dog. Read the whole thread of this tweet and there the full story of Liam donating the globe and the Co-op Live taking it gets told Haha that'll teach me to scroll a little. Thanks!
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Post by crisppacket on Aug 26, 2024 18:34:48 GMT -5
Live Forever and Supersonic on YT. He seems a bit drunk. He performs that way at every gig. He can't be drunk every night.
I think doing the snarling punk rocker bit, removing every semblance of proper vocal technique and just shredding his vocal chords, is his armor. That persona is what enables him to get on stage in front of all those people.
Just like Robert Smith with his lipstick and eyeliner, Bowie disappearing into fictional characters he'd created, and so on. But ultimately it's a crutch -- like needing to drink or take drugs before you can perform. And it bothers me for the simple fact that it sounds awful. He could get away with it when he was 24 and his voice was powerful, but his voice is too damaged to sound good that way now.
I still like Liam's voice: I just wanna hear him use it properly live like he does on record. I wanna hear him use his head voice, modulate, and sustain notes, instead of swerving high notes and doing that horrible clipped shouting...
MAYBE I JUST WANNA FLA-!!! WANNA LIVE, I DON'T DA-!!! MAYBE I JUST WANNA BRE-!!! MAYBE I JUST DON'T BELIE-!!!
Enough is enough, Liam. Act your age and do the right thing for once. Be professional, not a punk rock poser.
Is it him trying to be punk rock though or is it cos he can’t hold the notes anymore, like latter year oasis
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Aug 26, 2024 18:38:33 GMT -5
He performs that way at every gig. He can't be drunk every night.
I think doing the snarling punk rocker bit, removing every semblance of proper vocal technique and just shredding his vocal chords, is his armor. That persona is what enables him to get on stage in front of all those people.
Just like Robert Smith with his lipstick and eyeliner, Bowie disappearing into fictional characters he'd created, and so on. But ultimately it's a crutch -- like needing to drink or take drugs before you can perform. And it bothers me for the simple fact that it sounds awful. He could get away with it when he was 24 and his voice was powerful, but his voice is too damaged to sound good that way now.
I still like Liam's voice: I just wanna hear him use it properly live like he does on record. I wanna hear him use his head voice, modulate, and sustain notes, instead of swerving high notes and doing that horrible clipped shouting...
MAYBE I JUST WANNA FLA-!!! WANNA LIVE, I DON'T DA-!!! MAYBE I JUST WANNA BRE-!!! MAYBE I JUST DON'T BELIE-!!!
Enough is enough, Liam. Act your age and do the right thing for once. Be professional, not a punk rock poser.
Is it him trying to be punk rock though or is it cos he can’t hold the notes anymore, like latter year oasis Liam's voice is good, the sound mix at Reading Festival was pretty crap. If it's done well Liam can sing better. If you listen to the TRNSMT concert in July it's miles better.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Aug 27, 2024 4:49:00 GMT -5
He performs that way at every gig. He can't be drunk every night.
I think doing the snarling punk rocker bit, removing every semblance of proper vocal technique and just shredding his vocal chords, is his armor. That persona is what enables him to get on stage in front of all those people.
Just like Robert Smith with his lipstick and eyeliner, Bowie disappearing into fictional characters he'd created, and so on. But ultimately it's a crutch -- like needing to drink or take drugs before you can perform. And it bothers me for the simple fact that it sounds awful. He could get away with it when he was 24 and his voice was powerful, but his voice is too damaged to sound good that way now.
I still like Liam's voice: I just wanna hear him use it properly live like he does on record. I wanna hear him use his head voice, modulate, and sustain notes, instead of swerving high notes and doing that horrible clipped shouting...
MAYBE I JUST WANNA FLA-!!! WANNA LIVE, I DON'T DA-!!! MAYBE I JUST WANNA BRE-!!! MAYBE I JUST DON'T BELIE-!!!
Enough is enough, Liam. Act your age and do the right thing for once. Be professional, not a punk rock poser.
Is it him trying to be punk rock though or is it cos he can’t hold the notes anymore, like latter year oasis Who knows. It’s like the mystery of him refusing to ever sing falsetto live, either avoiding singing lyrics entirely or trying to do it in his chest voice and missing by a mile. Seems fucking daft to me — it’d be a lot easier, and sound a lot better if he used his falsetto — but he obviously has his own internal logic on it. The last time he sung properly live was 1994. Then he found his voice on the Morning Glory album, and when they came out again for the tour of that album he was just shouting everything. In those days he still held notes, even while shouting — sometimes for longer than he did on the records. But by the Be Here Now tour he looked worn out, probably from blasting his system with drugs and drink and not enough sleep. He started pulling back from the mic too soon: ‘Stand by Me’ was never performed with the same commitment; “It only seems to come and go awayeeeeeeeeee” became “It only seems to come and go AWAY!!!” And it’s been like that ever since. I find it endlessly frustrating that he won’t sustain notes unless he has to (like the “toniiiiight” in ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll Star’), and that he shouts lyrics that were song normally on record. I don’t think it’s a matter of not being able to do it; he still sings fine on record and at unplugged performances. I think it’s a choice he makes when he’s in front of a crowd, with a full electric band behind him. Just like him never smiling or cracking jokes onstage is a choice he makes. That scowling punk thing is his stage persona, and I wish he’d get rid of it and be more natural, like he was in the early days before he was a household name. He looks and sounds like a parody of himself, which is in contradiction to how he comes across in interviews and on record (well, maybe not the more recent ones).
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Post by nobodytoldme2 on Aug 31, 2024 18:43:25 GMT -5
By the time I've uploaded all songs from this night, Oasis have split up again and reunited again, but here's another one 3 months after.
Hope you enjoy the sound, tried my best to make the most of it.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Aug 31, 2024 20:02:59 GMT -5
By the time I've uploaded all songs from this night, Oasis have split up again and reunited again, but here's another one 3 months after. Hope you enjoy the sound, tried my best to make the most of it. Wow, this sounds fantastic. I'll have to look up your other uploads. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 9:41:30 GMT -5
Good news is they finally will get rid of this plodding band for Noel’s gifted musicians instead. About time
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Post by andymorris on Sept 2, 2024 9:44:59 GMT -5
Watching clips of the bbc broadcast
Digsys dinner no one in the front rows has ever heard the song 🤣😂, up in the sky was embarrassing its like people are discovering new songs
was it always like that at other gigs ?
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Post by PepsiNebula on Sept 2, 2024 13:53:24 GMT -5
Digsy's Dinner was a huge hit at both gigs I was at.
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Post by Jgrp on Sept 8, 2024 12:13:43 GMT -5
Is he still due to perform at the boxing?
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Post by Jim on Sept 8, 2024 13:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Sept 8, 2024 13:40:43 GMT -5
By the time I've uploaded all songs from this night, Oasis have split up again and reunited again, but here's another one 3 months after. Hope you enjoy the sound, tried my best to make the most of it. Excellent recording. It sounds like a soundboard. Do you have others of the same quality?
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Post by Parka Flames on Sept 10, 2024 16:49:13 GMT -5
Is it him trying to be punk rock though or is it cos he can’t hold the notes anymore, like latter year oasis Who knows. It’s like the mystery of him refusing to ever sing falsetto live, either avoiding singing lyrics entirely or trying to do it in his chest voice and missing by a mile. Seems fucking daft to me — it’d be a lot easier, and sound a lot better if he used his falsetto — but he obviously has his own internal logic on it. The last time he sung properly live was 1994. Then he found his voice on the Morning Glory album, and when they came out again for the tour of that album he was just shouting everything. In those days he still held notes, even while shouting — sometimes for longer than he did on the records. But by the Be Here Now tour he looked worn out, probably from blasting his system with drugs and drink and not enough sleep. He started pulling back from the mic too soon: ‘Stand by Me’ was never performed with the same commitment; “It only seems to come and go awayeeeeeeeeee” became “It only seems to come and go AWAY!!!” And it’s been like that ever since. I find it endlessly frustrating that he won’t sustain notes unless he has to (like the “toniiiiight” in ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll Star’), and that he shouts lyrics that were song normally on record. I don’t think it’s a matter of not being able to do it; he still sings fine on record and at unplugged performances. I think it’s a choice he makes when he’s in front of a crowd, with a full electric band behind him. Just like him never smiling or cracking jokes onstage is a choice he makes. That scowling punk thing is his stage persona, and I wish he’d get rid of it and be more natural, like he was in the early days before he was a household name. He looks and sounds like a parody of himself, which is in contradiction to how he comes across in interviews and on record (well, maybe not the more recent ones). All good points in this thread. During the 2017 tour he really seemed like he was working hard to get his studio voice out on stage, but that looks to have gone away now and we're back to the 2005 sound again.
The worst, WORST offence was when he actually thought it would be a good idea to put that awful onstage vocal cadence onto a record, and not on some uptempo punky song, but fucking Once. WTF Liam. Totally ruins what would otherwise be a beautiful melody.
I can empathise. As he said once (can't remember exactly where, maybe the Supersonic doc?) singing those songs the way he does is not an easy job. It must be exhausting to do that night after night. But it's so disappointing to hear him half-ass it so often. I hope he can get some good rest and find his voice before the reunion gigs next year, but given his track record with stadium gigs, I'm not overly optimistic.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 10, 2024 17:44:30 GMT -5
Who knows. It’s like the mystery of him refusing to ever sing falsetto live, either avoiding singing lyrics entirely or trying to do it in his chest voice and missing by a mile. Seems fucking daft to me — it’d be a lot easier, and sound a lot better if he used his falsetto — but he obviously has his own internal logic on it. The last time he sung properly live was 1994. Then he found his voice on the Morning Glory album, and when they came out again for the tour of that album he was just shouting everything. In those days he still held notes, even while shouting — sometimes for longer than he did on the records. But by the Be Here Now tour he looked worn out, probably from blasting his system with drugs and drink and not enough sleep. He started pulling back from the mic too soon: ‘Stand by Me’ was never performed with the same commitment; “It only seems to come and go awayeeeeeeeeee” became “It only seems to come and go AWAY!!!” And it’s been like that ever since. I find it endlessly frustrating that he won’t sustain notes unless he has to (like the “toniiiiight” in ‘Rock ‘n’ Roll Star’), and that he shouts lyrics that were song normally on record. I don’t think it’s a matter of not being able to do it; he still sings fine on record and at unplugged performances. I think it’s a choice he makes when he’s in front of a crowd, with a full electric band behind him. Just like him never smiling or cracking jokes onstage is a choice he makes. That scowling punk thing is his stage persona, and I wish he’d get rid of it and be more natural, like he was in the early days before he was a household name. He looks and sounds like a parody of himself, which is in contradiction to how he comes across in interviews and on record (well, maybe not the more recent ones). All good points in this thread. During the 2017 tour he really seemed like he was working hard to get his studio voice out on stage, but that looks to have gone away now and we're back to the 2005 sound again.
The worst, WORST offence was when he actually thought it would be a good idea to put that awful onstage vocal cadence onto a record, and not on some uptempo punky song, but fucking Once. WTF Liam. Totally ruins what would otherwise be a beautiful melody.
I can empathise. As he said once (can't remember exactly where, maybe the Supersonic doc?) singing those songs the way he does is not an easy job. It must be exhausting to do that night after night. But it's so disappointing to hear him half-ass it so often. I hope he can get some good rest and find his voice before the reunion gigs next year, but given his track record with stadium gigs, I'm not overly optimistic. You're right about 2017. I re-watched some performances from the As You Were tour recently, in the early days of midday festival slots, and he definitely was making more of an effort to properly sing then, sustaining notes in a way he hadn't live for 15 years. As much as he says he behaves himself on tour now, not drinking or taking drugs before gigs, he's looked like he's been half-arsing it on stage for a few years now. Complacent, like the last five years of Oasis.
He better not be like that next year when he's fronting the Big O again. Many more eyes and ears will be on him. A showing like the Reading Festival when Oasis eventually do the televised shows, like Glasto '26 (probably) will be fucking embarrassing.
And yes, that approach has made it onto the records too. He sang with so much more care on As You Were than he did on his all his subsequent albums, which is another reason why it's easily my favourite thing he's done post-Oasis split.
This interview starting around 2:55 kind of reinforces what I was saying:
So there it is, straight from the horse's mouth. That clip is quite funny because of Liam's idiosyncracies, like him not being able to remember the word diaphragm, but it's a bit depressing too, because it shows he'll probably never mend his ways. He'll stubbornly carry on disregarding healthy vocal technique at gigs until his voice is permanently hoarse, like Paul McCartney's.
And you know, it's because he doesn't breathe from his diaphragm when he sings live that he needs to come up for air every two seconds! My dad, who knows how to sing properly, has observed that Liam is all in shoulders, breathing shallowly when he performs live.
I've noticed that Liam's descriptions of playing live are always couched in terms of conflict, doing battle, overcoming some great diffculty, etc. I think Liam frames live performance this way because what he is really doing battle with is his stage fright. If so, he should find a better coping mechanism. Watch a real professional like Neil Finn or Guy Garvey, and they make it look so easy, joking around with their crowds and being spontaneous, like they're just playing for some friends in their living room. I'm sure they're nervous before they go on, but they get over it somehow and manage to loosen up onstage, which in turn makes their audiences loosen up, and thus everyone can enjoy themselves. With Liam I always feel tense watching him on TV because he looks so bloody tense, his neck tight and his face grimacing in pain as he shouts. There's a better way for him to do his job, and he just won't see it.
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Post by Sadie on Sept 10, 2024 18:47:30 GMT -5
All good points in this thread. During the 2017 tour he really seemed like he was working hard to get his studio voice out on stage, but that looks to have gone away now and we're back to the 2005 sound again.
The worst, WORST offence was when he actually thought it would be a good idea to put that awful onstage vocal cadence onto a record, and not on some uptempo punky song, but fucking Once. WTF Liam. Totally ruins what would otherwise be a beautiful melody.
I can empathise. As he said once (can't remember exactly where, maybe the Supersonic doc?) singing those songs the way he does is not an easy job. It must be exhausting to do that night after night. But it's so disappointing to hear him half-ass it so often. I hope he can get some good rest and find his voice before the reunion gigs next year, but given his track record with stadium gigs, I'm not overly optimistic. He better not be like that next year when he's fronting the Big O again I don't mean this to sound like an insult but I don't understand why you're so concerned. It was the last gig of a tour with not a hell of a lot of rest in-between gigs, of course he was always going to sound tired and not as able to hold notes! If you find footage of gigs just before Reading he sounded very good so for him to have held his voice for that long was great. He won't have a gig for several months when Malta is done so if he keeps his schedule clear he'll sound fantastic once the Oasis gigs come around
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 11, 2024 2:27:14 GMT -5
He better not be like that next year when he's fronting the Big O again I don't mean this to sound like an insult but I don't understand why you're so concerned. It was the last gig of a tour with not a hell of a lot of rest in-between gigs, of course he was always going to sound tired and not as able to hold notes! If you find footage of gigs just before Reading he sounded very good so for him to have held his voice for that long was great. He won't have a gig for several months when Malta is done so if he keeps his schedule clear he'll sound fantastic once the Oasis gigs come around Not able to hold notes? It sounded like he wasn’t even trying. Like in Oasis, he was pulling away from the mic before he’d even finished forming certain words. That isn’t good enough. He’s not singing opera here, it’s pretty simple stuff. He makes it more difficult than it needs to be by straining his throat, instead of singing through “the mask” as singers call it (the top of the mouth and nasal area), and by breathing too shallow instead of from the diaphragm. His technique is shocking, and that’s why he wears his voice out by the end of every tour, instead of being able to last the course. He’s had this problem since the Be Here Now tour. The fact he hasn’t remedied it by now is just foolishness on his part.
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Post by Parka Flames on Sept 11, 2024 5:35:15 GMT -5
All good points in this thread. During the 2017 tour he really seemed like he was working hard to get his studio voice out on stage, but that looks to have gone away now and we're back to the 2005 sound again. The worst, WORST offence was when he actually thought it would be a good idea to put that awful onstage vocal cadence onto a record, and not on some uptempo punky song, but fucking Once. WTF Liam. Totally ruins what would otherwise be a beautiful melody. I can empathise. As he said once (can't remember exactly where, maybe the Supersonic doc?) singing those songs the way he does is not an easy job. It must be exhausting to do that night after night. But it's so disappointing to hear him half-ass it so often. I hope he can get some good rest and find his voice before the reunion gigs next year, but given his track record with stadium gigs, I'm not overly optimistic. You're right about 2017. I re-watched some performances from the As You Were tour recently, in the early days of midday festival slots, and he definitely was making more of an effort to properly sing then, sustaining notes in a way he hadn't live for 15 years. As much as he says he behaves himself on tour now, not drinking or taking drugs before gigs, he's looked like he's been half-arsing it on stage for a few years now. Complacent, like the last five years of Oasis.
He better not be like that next year when he's fronting the Big O again. Many more eyes and ears will be on him. A showing like the Reading Festival when Oasis eventually do the televised shows, like Glasto '26 (probably) will be fucking embarrassing.
And yes, that approach has made it onto the records too. He sang with so much more care on As You Were than he did on his all his subsequent albums, which is another reason why it's easily my favourite thing he's done post-Oasis split.
This interview starting around 2:55 kind of reinforces what I was saying: So there it is, straight from the horse's mouth. That clip is quite funny because of Liam's idiosyncracies, like him not being able to remember the word diaphragm, but it's a bit depressing too, because it shows he'll probably never mend his ways. He'll stubbornly carry on disregarding healthy vocal technique at gigs until his voice is permanently hoarse, like Paul McCartney's.
And you know, it's because he doesn't breathe from his diaphragm when he sings live that he needs to come up for air every two seconds! My dad, who knows how to sing properly, has observed that Liam is all in shoulders, breathing shallowly when he performs live. I've noticed that Liam's descriptions of playing live are always couched in terms of conflict, doing battle, overcoming some great diffculty, etc. I think Liam frames live performance this way because what he is really doing battle with is his stage fright. If so, he should find a better coping mechanism. Watch a real professional like Neil Finn or Guy Garvey, and they make it look so easy, joking around with their crowds and being spontaneous, like they're just playing for some friends in their living room. I'm sure they're nervous before they go on, but they get over it somehow and manage to loosen up onstage, which in turn makes their audiences loosen up, and thus everyone can enjoy themselves. With Liam I always feel tense watching him on TV because he looks so bloody tense, his neck tight and his face grimacing in pain as he shouts. There's a better way for him to do his job, and he just won't see it.
Tbh I've always thought his posture while singing - though iconic and a trademark at this point - was perhaps the worst posture one could possibly adopt as a singer. But yeah, I get what you mean about watching him being a tense experience. He really does seem like he's in pain a lot of the time. This "stage fright" theory is interesting. Could this be the reason why he started leaving the stage randomly as the band started getting bigger, prompting Noel to step forward and take over singing duties for the remainder of the gigs? As the venues grew larger and video cameras started appearing etc.
I recall Noel talking about how Liam needed to be completely alone in the studio while recording the vocals for BHN which could also lend some credence to this theory.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 11, 2024 7:26:11 GMT -5
All good points in this thread. During the 2017 tour he really seemed like he was working hard to get his studio voice out on stage, but that looks to have gone away now and we're back to the 2005 sound again. The worst, WORST offence was when he actually thought it would be a good idea to put that awful onstage vocal cadence onto a record, and not on some uptempo punky song, but fucking Once. WTF Liam. Totally ruins what would otherwise be a beautiful melody. I can empathise. As he said once (can't remember exactly where, maybe the Supersonic doc?) singing those songs the way he does is not an easy job. It must be exhausting to do that night after night. But it's so disappointing to hear him half-ass it so often. I hope he can get some good rest and find his voice before the reunion gigs next year, but given his track record with stadium gigs, I'm not overly optimistic. You're right about 2017. I re-watched some performances from the As You Were tour recently, in the early days of midday festival slots, and he definitely was making more of an effort to properly sing then, sustaining notes in a way he hadn't live for 15 years. As much as he says he behaves himself on tour now, not drinking or taking drugs before gigs, he's looked like he's been half-arsing it on stage for a few years now. Complacent, like the last five years of Oasis.
He better not be like that next year when he's fronting the Big O again. Many more eyes and ears will be on him. A showing like the Reading Festival when Oasis eventually do the televised shows, like Glasto '26 (probably) will be fucking embarrassing.
And yes, that approach has made it onto the records too. He sang with so much more care on As You Were than he did on his all his subsequent albums, which is another reason why it's easily my favourite thing he's done post-Oasis split.
This interview starting around 2:55 kind of reinforces what I was saying: So there it is, straight from the horse's mouth. That clip is quite funny because of Liam's idiosyncracies, like him not being able to remember the word diaphragm, but it's a bit depressing too, because it shows he'll probably never mend his ways. He'll stubbornly carry on disregarding healthy vocal technique at gigs until his voice is permanently hoarse, like Paul McCartney's.
And you know, it's because he doesn't breathe from his diaphragm when he sings live that he needs to come up for air every two seconds! My dad, who knows how to sing properly, has observed that Liam is all in shoulders, breathing shallowly when he performs live. I've noticed that Liam's descriptions of playing live are always couched in terms of conflict, doing battle, overcoming some great diffculty, etc. I think Liam frames live performance this way because what he is really doing battle with is his stage fright. If so, he should find a better coping mechanism. Watch a real professional like Neil Finn or Guy Garvey, and they make it look so easy, joking around with their crowds and being spontaneous, like they're just playing for some friends in their living room. I'm sure they're nervous before they go on, but they get over it somehow and manage to loosen up onstage, which in turn makes their audiences loosen up, and thus everyone can enjoy themselves. With Liam I always feel tense watching him on TV because he looks so bloody tense, his neck tight and his face grimacing in pain as he shouts. There's a better way for him to do his job, and he just won't see it.
We're 7 years and 4 tours on from 2017. Change was inevitable, not only that but he is also in to his 50's. Results will vary. Especially given the problems with his thyroid. Sounded very good on the JS record and tour.
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