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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 16, 2021 11:53:39 GMT -5
Hello everybody, joined today, first post. The last few months there've been rumors that BHN reached 10 million album sales worldwide. The wiki pages about oasis & its discography also were recently updated by multiple people in terms of BHN sales. I also read somewhere a few months ago that it hit 10mio but can't find the site anymore. However people are convinced that it reached 10mil and a few of them backed their statement up by mentioning the Oasis evening programme on Sky Arts (aired 10 June 2021), in which the new sale numbers were supposedly mentioned. Now the problem is I don't have Sky (Arts) but I looked up the programme on that evening and Noel Gallagher's new documentary / concert "Out of the Now" came up... (alongside a 2001 concert and the 2004 documentary "There we were - now we are here".) To the people who watched Out of the Now, was the album and its sales in the year 2021 mentioned? Because if yes, this should count as a reliable source imo.  Update: Watched the "documentary" yesterday, though I skipped around a bit, I didn't hear any mention of the sales hmm... maybe it was during the blur v oasis doc the next day or something... but I think there's some truth to it, especially when a dozen ppl in the view history claimed independently from each other that they have heard it back in June... who knows. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Aug 16, 2021 16:16:00 GMT -5
best album ever
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 16, 2021 17:38:22 GMT -5
underneaththesky absolutely haha, that's why I thought I should look into the subject regarding the wiki information.
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Post by matt on Aug 16, 2021 18:13:39 GMT -5
Not entirely sure how they calculate this in all honesty, but the BHN re-issue and nostalgia for Oasis in recent years wouldn't surprise me if it had boosted it to 10 million.
It's by no means great, and by no means a masterpiece. But neither is it rubbish. It's simply a decent album. It's just mad that anything less than completing a hat trick of genuinely great albums is considered shit. It really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Oasis albums post-90s because it is clearly better than all the others that followed. I appreciate Shoulder of Giants has a big say in being considered the 'third best' Oasis album but with just ten tracks and a few duff tunes amongst some genuinely great songs, it is too lightweight to be considered the 'third best' for me personally.
For the reasons of it being a decent album, I wouldn't be surprised if the sales numbers have slowly creeped up as it starts to outlive the intense negativity it received.
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 16, 2021 18:49:36 GMT -5
exactly! Creating a follow-up album that is equal to or even better than Morning Glory is unbelievably tough. Especially due to the fact that in 1997 literally the whole world was watching... I think almost no matter what they would have done eg shortening songs/adding some masterplan tracks etc... questions would have arisen either way.
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Post by freek on Aug 17, 2021 4:55:21 GMT -5
Although I really like BHN, and I would love it to have sold 10 million or more, I don't think it's quite there yet. My most reliable source, chartmasters.org, estimated sales at almost 7,5 in 2017, and I don't believe BHN has benefitted this much of Oasis' recent popularity, a feat MG and DM have.
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 17, 2021 5:28:22 GMT -5
Hmmm yeah that sounds plausible. Maybe there will be an official update sometime in the future… let‘s just see
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Post by vespa on Aug 17, 2021 16:22:37 GMT -5
Same with all albums , morning glory been in charts last 4 years but never moves sales , it’s charted consistently for 25 years it’s surely got be uk number one selling album. I always recall McGhee saying by end of 98 they’d done 42 millions albums or something like that off them 3 alone , god knows how many singles they’ve done etc worldwide
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 18, 2021 2:45:41 GMT -5
That’s interesting. Honestly I also think that there’s been a boost, especially the last few years with a new generation discovering Oasis and such. But yeah online information is kinda scarce. I guess I‘ll watch the doc at a friends house, to at least check the BHN sales. Fingers crossed.
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Post by vespa on Aug 18, 2021 6:34:42 GMT -5
I remember in the 90s be here was flagged as doing 9 million copies but was deemed as a flop??!! But there album sales have always been thrown about but there website does tell you some . The worldwide singles sales have always interested me , there sales alone in the uk have been massive most singles have almost done 4/500k each minimum . Wonderwall I’ve reads down about 15 million alone? They surely aren’t far off the 100 million worldwide record sales now
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Post by aesthetic on Aug 18, 2021 6:51:37 GMT -5
It's by no means great, and by no means a masterpiece. But neither is it rubbish. It's simply a decent album. It's just mad that anything less than completing a hat trick of genuinely great albums is considered shit. It really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Oasis albums post-90s because it is clearly better than all the others that followed. I appreciate Shoulder of Giants has a big say in being considered the 'third best' Oasis album but with just ten tracks and a few duff tunes amongst some genuinely great songs, it is too lightweight to be considered the 'third best' for me personally. BHN is and always will be part of the Holy Trinity of Oasis albums. Everything else after that is just that -- everything else. I always consider SOTSOG to be as close to a Noel/Liam solo collab project as we are ever going to get. |
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 18, 2021 7:32:35 GMT -5
vespa Definitely. If you take everything into account (singles, albums, etc) Oasis already sold around 75 million records worldwide by 2009. Then there's no way they're not at least close to 100 million now... Including the BHN sales. Hopefully I'll get around to watching the doc soon, cause that intrigues me gotta admit it.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 18, 2021 8:01:30 GMT -5
It's by no means great, and by no means a masterpiece. But neither is it rubbish. It's simply a decent album. It's just mad that anything less than completing a hat trick of genuinely great albums is considered shit. It really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Oasis albums post-90s because it is clearly better than all the others that followed. I appreciate Shoulder of Giants has a big say in being considered the 'third best' Oasis album but with just ten tracks and a few duff tunes amongst some genuinely great songs, it is too lightweight to be considered the 'third best' for me personally. BHN is and always will be part of the Holy Trinity of Oasis albums. Everything else after that is just that -- everything else. I’m so jealous of anyone who feels like this. I was really let down by BHN at the time and still feel this way. To me, it’s 94-96, 2000, and 2017 onwards that I really love. |
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Post by aesthetic on Aug 18, 2021 8:45:34 GMT -5
BHN is and always will be part of the Holy Trinity of Oasis albums. Everything else after that is just that -- everything else. I’m so jealous of anyone who feels like this. I was really let down by BHN at the time and still feel this way. To me, it’s 94-96, 2000, and 2017 onwards that I really love. I honestly find myself going back to BHN just as much as the other two. SOTSOG less so. And everything else after that, I could probably fit onto 1 CD all of the songs that I go back to from all the other albums. It's probably nothing but cheap nostalgia on my behalf, it was a wonderful era to be young and dumb. But make no mistake, the Holy Trinity was and always will be the best era and any other opinion is objectively incorrect  |
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 18, 2021 10:24:36 GMT -5
I’m so jealous of anyone who feels like this. I was really let down by BHN at the time and still feel this way. To me, it’s 94-96, 2000, and 2017 onwards that I really love. I honestly find myself going back to BHN just as much as the other two. SOTSOG less so. And everything else after that, I could probably fit onto 1 CD all of the songs that I go back to from all the other albums. It's probably nothing but cheap nostalgia on my behalf, it was a wonderful era to be young and dumb. But make no mistake, the Holy Trinity was and always will be the best era and any other opinion is objectively incorrect We’re getting old - but we were young and pretty at just the right time! |
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Post by Flashbax on Aug 18, 2021 11:01:20 GMT -5
For me, it's the first 4 album I often listen from start to finish. Even Giants is a great listen from front to back. Songs from the last 3 album I go back to:
Idler's Dream
Just Getting Older
The Importance of Being Idle
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel
The Shock of the Lightning
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 18, 2021 18:16:06 GMT -5
Yes! SOTSOG is class.
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Post by Aman on Aug 19, 2021 1:42:39 GMT -5
It's by no means great, and by no means a masterpiece. But neither is it rubbish. It's simply a decent album. It's just mad that anything less than completing a hat trick of genuinely great albums is considered shit. It really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Oasis albums post-90s because it is clearly better than all the others that followed. I appreciate Shoulder of Giants has a big say in being considered the 'third best' Oasis album but with just ten tracks and a few duff tunes amongst some genuinely great songs, it is too lightweight to be considered the 'third best' for me personally. BHN is and always will be part of the Holy Trinity of Oasis albums. Everything else after that is just that -- everything else. I always consider SOTSOG to be as close to a Noel/Liam solo collab project as we are ever going to get. Yeah, you've got the Main 3 and then the "other 4". |
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 19, 2021 6:26:17 GMT -5
BHN is and always will be part of the Holy Trinity of Oasis albums. Everything else after that is just that -- everything else. I always consider SOTSOG to be as close to a Noel/Liam solo collab project as we are ever going to get. Yeah, you've got the Main 2 and then the "other 5". FIFY ;D (kidding!) |
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Post by freek on Aug 19, 2021 7:30:54 GMT -5
vespa Definitely. If you take everything into account (singles, albums, etc) Oasis already sold around 75 million records worldwide by 2009. Then there's no way they're not at least close to 100 million now... Including the BHN sales. Hopefully I'll get around to watching the doc soon, cause that intrigues me gotta admit it. According to chartmasters.org, Oasis sold around 81 million records by dec 2017. The recent popularity has lead to new sales, especially in the UK, but we're talking about tens of thousands, maybe up to a couple of hundred thousands. For example, MG did awesome last year, and sold about 30k vinyls in the UK. |
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 19, 2021 7:45:17 GMT -5
vespa Definitely. If you take everything into account (singles, albums, etc) Oasis already sold around 75 million records worldwide by 2009. Then there's no way they're not at least close to 100 million now... Including the BHN sales. Hopefully I'll get around to watching the doc soon, cause that intrigues me gotta admit it. According to chartmasters.org, Oasis sold around 81 million records by dec 2017. The recent popularity has lead to new sales, especially in the UK, but we're talking about tens of thousands, maybe up to a couple of hundred thousands. For example, MG did awesome last year, and sold about 30k vinyls in the UK. Wow pretty good. Thank you for the information. |
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Post by Aman on Aug 19, 2021 12:22:32 GMT -5
Yeah, you've got the Main 2 and then the "other 5". FIFY ;D (kidding!) Tbh joking aside it's a weird one lol. First two clearly better than BHN but then BHN clearly better than the 2000s stuff. But BHN more closer in quality to DM AND WTSMG than the 2000s albums. |
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 19, 2021 13:12:41 GMT -5
vespa Definitely. If you take everything into account (singles, albums, etc) Oasis already sold around 75 million records worldwide by 2009. Then there's no way they're not at least close to 100 million now... Including the BHN sales. Hopefully I'll get around to watching the doc soon, cause that intrigues me gotta admit it. According to chartmasters.org, Oasis sold around 81 million records by dec 2017. The recent popularity has lead to new sales, especially in the UK, but we're talking about tens of thousands, maybe up to a couple of hundred thousands. For example, MG did awesome last year, and sold about 30k vinyls in the UK. That's great. It's not surprising about (What's The Story) Morning Glory? s sales last year though. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 19, 2021 13:19:54 GMT -5
Tbh joking aside it's a weird one lol. First two clearly better than BHN but then BHN clearly better than the 2000s stuff. But BHN more closer in quality to DM AND WTSMG than the 2000s albums. Quite right. |
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Post by World71R on Aug 22, 2021 20:05:35 GMT -5
Not entirely sure how they calculate this in all honesty, but the BHN re-issue and nostalgia for Oasis in recent years wouldn't surprise me if it had boosted it to 10 million. It's by no means great, and by no means a masterpiece. But neither is it rubbish. It's simply a decent album. It's just mad that anything less than completing a hat trick of genuinely great albums is considered shit. It really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Oasis albums post-90s because it is clearly better than all the others that followed. I appreciate Shoulder of Giants has a big say in being considered the 'third best' Oasis album but with just ten tracks and a few duff tunes amongst some genuinely great songs, it is too lightweight to be considered the 'third best' for me personally. For the reasons of it being a decent album, I wouldn't be surprised if the sales numbers have slowly creeped up as it starts to outlive the intense negativity it received. BHN was a really good album but it's not worth its salt, as is, because of how repetitive the songs are and how overblown the production is. If you listen to the songs individually, it gets better but I hate listening to it because you get about halfway through and you have to turn it off and go do something else for a little bit because you get fatigued from listening to the album. Personally, I think DOYS is a strong contender for third-best Oasis album. It's a shame about the last three tracks but the first eight are as solid as the band ever got imo. SOTSOG has some amazing highs but the couple clunkers in there give it a weird focus that sets everything off a bit. |
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