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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 23, 2021 8:04:08 GMT -5
According to chartmasters.org, Oasis sold around 81 million records by dec 2017. The recent popularity has lead to new sales, especially in the UK, but we're talking about tens of thousands, maybe up to a couple of hundred thousands. For example, MG did awesome last year, and sold about 30k vinyls in the UK. That's great. It's not surprising about (What's The Story) Morning Glory? s sales last year though. Ive kept saying that both Be Here Now and Morning Glory need re-certifying in the UK. Im pretty sure BHN needs upping from 6 to 7x platinum. And I think with ongoing sales MG may have hit 5M in the UK by now, so it definitely needs upping from 15 to 16x, and possibly to 17x in the near future. |
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Post by jeffrey on Aug 23, 2021 9:07:55 GMT -5
Not entirely sure how they calculate this in all honesty, but the BHN re-issue and nostalgia for Oasis in recent years wouldn't surprise me if it had boosted it to 10 million. It's by no means great, and by no means a masterpiece. But neither is it rubbish. It's simply a decent album. It's just mad that anything less than completing a hat trick of genuinely great albums is considered shit. It really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Oasis albums post-90s because it is clearly better than all the others that followed. I appreciate Shoulder of Giants has a big say in being considered the 'third best' Oasis album but with just ten tracks and a few duff tunes amongst some genuinely great songs, it is too lightweight to be considered the 'third best' for me personally. For the reasons of it being a decent album, I wouldn't be surprised if the sales numbers have slowly creeped up as it starts to outlive the intense negativity it received. BHN was a really good album but it's not worth its salt, as is, because of how repetitive the songs are and how overblown the production is. If you listen to the songs individually, it gets better but I hate listening to it because you get about halfway through and you have to turn it off and go do something else for a little bit because you get fatigued from listening to the album. Personally, I think DOYS is a strong contender for third-best Oasis album. It's a shame about the last three tracks but the first eight are as solid as the band ever got imo. SOTSOG has some amazing highs but the couple clunkers in there give it a weird focus that sets everything off a bit. I’m with you on DOYS; although, I personally love TNOR and Soldier On. The lows on that album for me are TSOTL and AGN (which I don’t dislike). |
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 23, 2021 12:41:03 GMT -5
That's great. It's not surprising about (What's The Story) Morning Glory? s sales last year though. Ive kept saying that both Be Here Now and Morning Glory need re-certifying in the UK. Im pretty sure BHN needs upping from 6 to 7x platinum. And I think with ongoing sales MG may have hit 5M in the UK by now, so it definitely needs upping from 15 to 16x, and possibly to 17x in the near future. You're probably right there. Definitely Maybe probably does too. But Morning Glory definitely does with all of the sales it's had. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 23, 2021 18:15:12 GMT -5
Ive kept saying that both Be Here Now and Morning Glory need re-certifying in the UK. Im pretty sure BHN needs upping from 6 to 7x platinum. And I think with ongoing sales MG may have hit 5M in the UK by now, so it definitely needs upping from 15 to 16x, and possibly to 17x in the near future. You're probably right there. Definitely Maybe probably does too. But Morning Glory definitely does with all of the sales it's had. I dont know about DM, although it hasnt been certified since ‘04, and continues to remain in the lower reaches of the UK chart almost every week. So it would make sense. I only know about MG and BHN as ive seen more detailed stats on their sales. I can’t see any of the other studio albums getting any higher; they just aren’t streamed or sold on vinyl enough. The Masterplan was only re-certified last year, so the most likely release to in coming years is probably Time Flies. |
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Post by freek on Aug 24, 2021 3:41:28 GMT -5
You're probably right there. Definitely Maybe probably does too. But Morning Glory definitely does with all of the sales it's had. I dont know about DM, although it hasnt been certified since ‘04, and continues to remain in the lower reaches of the UK chart almost every week. So it would make sense. I only know about MG and BHN as ive seen more detailed stats on their sales. I can’t see any of the other studio albums getting any higher; they just aren’t streamed or sold on vinyl enough. The Masterplan was only re-certified last year, so the most likely release to in coming years is probably Time Flies. MG will be certified 16x Platinum in a few weeks, DM 8x Platinum in a few months and TF 5x Platinum probably next year. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Aug 24, 2021 4:14:19 GMT -5
I dont know about DM, although it hasnt been certified since ‘04, and continues to remain in the lower reaches of the UK chart almost every week. So it would make sense. I only know about MG and BHN as ive seen more detailed stats on their sales. I can’t see any of the other studio albums getting any higher; they just aren’t streamed or sold on vinyl enough. The Masterplan was only re-certified last year, so the most likely release to in coming years is probably Time Flies. MG will be certified 16x Platinum in a few weeks, DM 8x Platinum in a few months and TF 5x Platinum probably next year. People question why you would release the likes of Time Flies or a Greatest Hits but they obviously rack up sales over time |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 24, 2021 4:55:11 GMT -5
MG will be certified 16x Platinum in a few weeks, DM 8x Platinum in a few months and TF 5x Platinum probably next year. People question why you would release the likes of Time Flies or a Greatest Hits but they obviously rack up sales over time Certainly streaming-wise, hence about half the UK Album Chart is made up of mostly newer compilations that are available on Spotify/Apple Music. |
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 24, 2021 12:56:15 GMT -5
You're probably right there. Definitely Maybe probably does too. But Morning Glory definitely does with all of the sales it's had. I dont know about DM, although it hasnt been certified since ‘04, and continues to remain in the lower reaches of the UK chart almost every week. So it would make sense. I only know about MG and BHN as ive seen more detailed stats on their sales. I can’t see any of the other studio albums getting any higher; they just aren’t streamed or sold on vinyl enough. The Masterplan was only re-certified last year, so the most likely release to in coming years is probably Time Flies. I didn't realise that about The Masterplan album. But as for Time Flies you're probably right with the album being in the charts again as recently as last year. I don't follow the charts so I don't know if the album is actually still in the charts at all. But it's great that Oasis's earlier albums still hang around in the charts. |
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 24, 2021 12:57:42 GMT -5
I dont know about DM, although it hasnt been certified since ‘04, and continues to remain in the lower reaches of the UK chart almost every week. So it would make sense. I only know about MG and BHN as ive seen more detailed stats on their sales. I can’t see any of the other studio albums getting any higher; they just aren’t streamed or sold on vinyl enough. The Masterplan was only re-certified last year, so the most likely release to in coming years is probably Time Flies. MG will be certified 16x Platinum in a few weeks, DM 8x Platinum in a few months and TF 5x Platinum probably next year. No surprise there then. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 24, 2021 15:27:17 GMT -5
Not entirely sure how they calculate this in all honesty, but the BHN re-issue and nostalgia for Oasis in recent years wouldn't surprise me if it had boosted it to 10 million. It's by no means great, and by no means a masterpiece. But neither is it rubbish. It's simply a decent album. It's just mad that anything less than completing a hat trick of genuinely great albums is considered shit. It really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with Oasis albums post-90s because it is clearly better than all the others that followed. I appreciate Shoulder of Giants has a big say in being considered the 'third best' Oasis album but with just ten tracks and a few duff tunes amongst some genuinely great songs, it is too lightweight to be considered the 'third best' for me personally. For the reasons of it being a decent album, I wouldn't be surprised if the sales numbers have slowly creeped up as it starts to outlive the intense negativity it received. BHN was a really good album but it's not worth its salt, as is, because of how repetitive the songs are and how overblown the production is. If you listen to the songs individually, it gets better but I hate listening to it because you get about halfway through and you have to turn it off and go do something else for a little bit because you get fatigued from listening to the album.. Christ, I’ve waited since 1997 for someone to describe how I feel exactly about the album. Good post. |
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 25, 2021 12:51:21 GMT -5
With Be Here Now I don't like most of the album itself but some of the songs sound so much better live I think than they do on the album.
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Post by vespa on Aug 26, 2021 9:05:10 GMT -5
Morning glory got be at the 5 million mark in uk?? The other biggest sellers haven’t charted for years or since there release this seems to have been on the charts consistently for the last 4/5 years and before that it was dropping in and out . Time flies is a big seller aswell and if remember rightly stop the clocks was. Million seller . I’d be interested to see there worldwide single sales , I’m not sure how it works abroad but in terms of the uk they’ve sold literally millions.. Japan mainland Europe and South America the same. They arguably in Japan one of the biggest imports ever but singles sales not sure how they work in places like America etc , I know some is radio play and stuff but songs like wonderwall must’ve sold in tens of millions?
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Post by tambourinesolo on Aug 26, 2021 9:48:58 GMT -5
Morning glory got be at the 5 million mark in uk?? The other biggest sellers haven’t charted for years or since there release this seems to have been on the charts consistently for the last 4/5 years and before that it was dropping in and out . Time flies is a big seller aswell and if remember rightly stop the clocks was. Million seller . I’d be interested to see there worldwide single sales , I’m not sure how it works abroad but in terms of the uk they’ve sold literally millions.. Japan mainland Europe and South America the same. They arguably in Japan one of the biggest imports ever but singles sales not sure how they work in places like America etc , I know some is radio play and stuff but songs like wonderwall must’ve sold in tens of millions? Yup. Hope there'll be an official update in the near future, cause some of the displayed stats concerning the albums / singles and sales are still from ~2009. Not all but some. |
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Post by mossy on Aug 26, 2021 11:27:00 GMT -5
BHN was a really good album but it's not worth its salt, as is, because of how repetitive the songs are and how overblown the production is. If you listen to the songs individually, it gets better but I hate listening to it because you get about halfway through and you have to turn it off and go do something else for a little bit because you get fatigued from listening to the album.. Christ, I’ve waited since 1997 for someone to describe how I feel exactly about the album. Good post. Wusses the pair of you. X |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 26, 2021 18:49:42 GMT -5
Seeing as how everyone is now giving their opinions, I guess mine would be pretty close to Liam’s view in the 2003 Britpop documentary; it’s pretty great, just not a classic on the level of the first two. I find it the best of all their post-MG studio albums.
Of course we all have our own ideal tracklistings, so I’m not going to bother with song choices, instead just judging the LP as it came. Songwriting-wise, there’s about two-thirds of a great album here but also three or so duds. A few songs go on a minute or so too long, like Fade In Out, D’you Know What I Mean and It’s Gettin’ Better Man.
Liam sounds great vocally, especially on Don’t Go Away (probably the best-produced song) and I Hope I Think I Know, but due to the overblown sound and distorted mix there is often very little bass or groove. It suits some songs like Stand By Me and All Around The World but, tracklisting aside, the messy overproduction/mix was probably its biggest flaw.
8/10.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 26, 2021 23:32:56 GMT -5
For the third Oasis best album it's got to be BHN, even with all the excess everything is so catchy, Liam is at his peak here and the band sounds like they are really having fun, even its overblow nature is very charming, they were pratically breathing cocaine at the time.
There are the obvious weak spots, a bit overproduced yes, not to the levels of Smashing Pumpkins but it could have sounded more streamlined I guess, also the overlong lenght, it's hard to listen to 75 minutes in a row not just BHN but any album, Magic Pie is atrocious and being the only Noel sung song it really hurts the album.
I would give it a fair 8/10, still an honest work with lots of quality tracks.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 27, 2021 1:40:08 GMT -5
For the third Oasis best album it's got to be BHN, even with all the excess everything is so catchy, Liam is at his peak here and the band sounds like they are really having fun, even its overblow nature is very charming, they were pratically breathing cocaine at the time. There are the obvious weak spots, a bit overproduced yes, not to the levels of Smashing Pumpkins but it could have sounded more streamlined I guess, also the overlong lenght, it's hard to listen to 75 minutes in a row not just BHN but any album, Magic Pie is atrocious and being the only Noel sung song it really hurts the album. I would give it a fair 8/10, still an honest work with lots of quality tracks. I find that 71 minutes feels shorter and shorter the more alcohol you ingest. Not saying that's the only way to listen to BHN but they can go very nicely together. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 27, 2021 6:03:20 GMT -5
For the third Oasis best album it's got to be BHN, even with all the excess everything is so catchy, Liam is at his peak here and the band sounds like they are really having fun, even its overblow nature is very charming, they were pratically breathing cocaine at the time. There are the obvious weak spots, a bit overproduced yes, not to the levels of Smashing Pumpkins but it could have sounded more streamlined I guess, also the overlong lenght, it's hard to listen to 75 minutes in a row not just BHN but any album, Magic Pie is atrocious and being the only Noel sung song it really hurts the album. I would give it a fair 8/10, still an honest work with lots of quality tracks. I find that 71 minutes feels shorter and shorter the more alcohol you ingest. Not saying that's the only way to listen to BHN but they can go very nicely together. Id say i concur with both your points; the messy mixing makes it tough to listen to the entire thing in one go. Ive never played the whole lot while hammered, but i remember once i did spin D’You Know What I Mean, My Big Mouth and Magic Pie after a load of beers (as theyre the first three songs), and thought Id found edited versions as they seemed like about 4 minutes long each 😂. So maybe that point Noel made about “it was only meant to be played once, while drunk/high etc” wasnt too far off. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 27, 2021 6:14:04 GMT -5
I guess to me - it was the first time that Oasis had felt like “just another band” after that period where *everything* was untouchable. I thought that even at 18 years old!
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Aug 27, 2021 6:33:16 GMT -5
I guess to me - it was the first time that Oasis had felt like “just another band” after that period where *everything* was untouchable. I thought that even at 18 years old! All about expectations, isn't it. I'd read that BHN was considered a failure while DBTT was considered a return to form when I first learned about the band, listened to DBTT first, liked it, didn't love it. Then gave the "failure" of the two a listen and was blown away. All Around the World is still a top 5 Oasis tune no matter how long it is by the way. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 27, 2021 6:46:35 GMT -5
I guess to me - it was the first time that Oasis had felt like “just another band” after that period where *everything* was untouchable. I thought that even at 18 years old! All about expectations, isn't it. I'd read that BHN was considered a failure while DBTT was considered a return to form when I first learned about the band, listened to DBTT first, liked it, didn't love it. Then gave the "failure" of the two a listen and was blown away. All Around the World is still a top 5 Oasis tune no matter how long it is by the way. Yes, agree it’s about expectations, but it’s the old question - what do you do immediately AFTER you’ve defined a generation? |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 27, 2021 9:00:11 GMT -5
I guess to me - it was the first time that Oasis had felt like “just another band” after that period where *everything* was untouchable. I thought that even at 18 years old! All about expectations, isn't it. I'd read that BHN was considered a failure while DBTT was considered a return to form when I first learned about the band, listened to DBTT first, liked it, didn't love it. Then gave the "failure" of the two a listen and was blown away. All Around the World is still a top 5 Oasis tune no matter how long it is by the way. Love AATW, first part of the song is pure melodic perfection, and the second part you have to appreciate all that chaotic nature, everyone talks about Oasis being that chaotic band and it is one few songs where that madness is very apparent, they just let themselves go, and the song does not end, there is a fade-out so it seems like it still being played somewhere. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Aug 27, 2021 14:48:27 GMT -5
I find that 71 minutes feels shorter and shorter the more alcohol you ingest. Not saying that's the only way to listen to BHN but they can go very nicely together. Id say i concur with both your points; the messy mixing makes it tough to listen to the entire thing in one go. Ive never played the whole lot while hammered, but i remember once i did spin D’You Know What I Mean, My Big Mouth and Magic Pie after a load of beers (as theyre the first three songs), and thought Id found edited versions as they seemed like about 4 minutes long each 😂. So maybe that point Noel made about “it was only meant to be played once, while drunk/high etc” wasnt too far off. I recommend it!  In fact, I recommend something sugary, mixed fruity or mixed soda drinks, the kind that get you that fizzy, fast kind of tipsy. I think maybe it works so well because as the record gets messier, so do you. Last listened to it while drinking a bottle of champagne on my own--it could have gone on for another 30 minutes and I'd have been happy! |
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Post by mossy on Aug 27, 2021 16:09:43 GMT -5
Id say i concur with both your points; the messy mixing makes it tough to listen to the entire thing in one go. Ive never played the whole lot while hammered, but i remember once i did spin D’You Know What I Mean, My Big Mouth and Magic Pie after a load of beers (as theyre the first three songs), and thought Id found edited versions as they seemed like about 4 minutes long each 😂. So maybe that point Noel made about “it was only meant to be played once, while drunk/high etc” wasnt too far off. I recommend it! In fact, I recommend something sugary, mixed fruity or mixed soda drinks, the kind that get you that fizzy, fast kind of tipsy. I think maybe it works so well because as the record gets messier, so do you. Last listened to it while drinking a bottle of champagne on my own--it could have gone on for another 30 minutes and I'd have been happy! A connoisseur. X |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Aug 27, 2021 16:15:31 GMT -5
I dont know about DM, although it hasnt been certified since ‘04, and continues to remain in the lower reaches of the UK chart almost every week. So it would make sense. I only know about MG and BHN as ive seen more detailed stats on their sales. I can’t see any of the other studio albums getting any higher; they just aren’t streamed or sold on vinyl enough. The Masterplan was only re-certified last year, so the most likely release to in coming years is probably Time Flies. , DM 8x Platinum in a few months and TF 5x Platinum probably next year. Seems like it didnt even take that long, i think it was certified 16x today. |
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