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Post by bt95 on Dec 6, 2020 17:55:59 GMT -5
I seriously cannot believe how people can't hear they are all different versions. I'm absolutely baffled. The only ones i've heard 'live' (as in seen on the tv) are Ross and the boat. I think they sound very very similar vocally. Considering one he's in a TV studio, and the other on a boat moving down a river, then it led me to believe that they've used one vocal recording to go for both. But either way, whether it's dubbed or not, Liam sounds brilliant at the moment. That version of Fade Away is the best he's sounded since 2017, it's great to have it back. The bloke needs rest and while we all wish that this break hadn't happened, it probably did his voice a world of good. Not that he sounded bad last year, but after two years solid of touring/recording, I doubt he could have pulled off Fade Away like he did (or Headshrinker, when I get to hear that).
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Post by tommybravo on Dec 6, 2020 21:37:48 GMT -5
I seriously cannot believe how people can't hear they are all different versions. I'm absolutely baffled. Baffled lad? Jonathon Ross and the boat sound identical, and they’re 2 very different settings. Are they the same vocal take? We’ll never know (or agree). But baffled people can’t hear they’re different versions? I’m undecided but don’t blame people for questioning it. I get for some LG can do no wrong, but it’s possible he’s using the old vocal tricks.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 7, 2020 2:16:51 GMT -5
At this point enough people, not crazy people, question those performances (fallon / Ross, not heard River thames). And probably many more who are afraid to speak up. So it deserves its own thread maybe for future live appearances from Liam, as to not pollute the others and keep the rest of the forum at (relative) peace.
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Post by Rolo on Dec 7, 2020 3:34:25 GMT -5
I seriously cannot believe how people can't hear they are all different versions. I'm absolutely baffled. Baffled lad? Jonathon Ross and the boat sound identical, and they’re 2 very different settings. Are they the same vocal take? We’ll never know (or agree). But baffled people can’t hear they’re different versions? I’m undecided but don’t blame people for questioning it. I get for some LG can do no wrong, but it’s possible he’s using the old vocal tricks. Just listened to them side by side and I do agree they sound very a like but there's quite a lot of differences also. Liam is more nasal on the boat for a start and the way he finishes lines on each performance is different.
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Post by garylineker on Dec 7, 2020 14:46:52 GMT -5
Baffled lad? Jonathon Ross and the boat sound identical, and they’re 2 very different settings. Are they the same vocal take? We’ll never know (or agree). But baffled people can’t hear they’re different versions? I’m undecided but don’t blame people for questioning it. I get for some LG can do no wrong, but it’s possible he’s using the old vocal tricks. Just listened to them side by side and I do agree they sound very a like but there's quite a lot of differences also. Liam is more nasal on the boat for a start and the way he finishes lines on each performance is different. Exactly. The only similarity is both versions have obviously been edited a but to make Liam sound a bit better in post production. Something that is happening a lot lately and i'm fine with that. But to the miming shit theories need to stop.
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Post by sheisloved on Dec 7, 2020 19:37:29 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉
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Post by PepsiNebula on Dec 7, 2020 20:28:39 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉 This all started because some people thought some of Liam's vocals sounded too good to be real, which isn't something people usually say about Noel's vocals.
(Kidding! Mostly. Obviously there are a lot of factors that contribute to conversations like this.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 5:47:44 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉 A couple of users always show up when Liam releases something, and start their trolling. Now they have made every thread about the miming nonsense.
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Post by jeffrey on Dec 8, 2020 9:52:05 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉 There was a lot of negativity when he released WBTM and the EPs.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 8, 2020 12:51:29 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉 Yes, most definitely. The EP's probably caused the worst criticism of Noel to date. Maybe half the community divided over whether it's good or not?
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Post by andymorris on Dec 8, 2020 12:54:34 GMT -5
Noel got absolutely smashed to pieces to the point some Noel afficionados dont ever come to this part of the forum anymore. It's like two different worlds now, like Israel and Palestine.
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Post by freddy838 on Dec 8, 2020 13:27:52 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉 Yes, most definitely. The EP's probably caused the worst criticism of Noel to date. Maybe half the community divided over whether it's good or not? I think he/she meant is Noel's performance surgically examined this closely rather than his material. I don't think anyone minds people having different opinions regarding their work, though it can be boring when it's done over and over again. For what it's worth, I can hear slight differences in the melody between the two versions and i can't see how anyone can be that good at miming. They were just decent performances that got cleaned up and mixed well.
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Post by liammuc on Dec 9, 2020 3:09:54 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉 This all started because some people thought some of Liam's vocals sounded too good to be real, which isn't something people usually say about Noel's vocals. (Kidding! Mostly. Obviously there are a lot of factors that contribute to conversations like this.)
That's because Noel's vocals never were / are not and never will be as good as Liams vocals! And this is coming from a guy who loves all of Noel's Acoustic recordings from the 90's...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 4:16:51 GMT -5
This all started because some people thought some of Liam's vocals sounded too good to be real, which isn't something people usually say about Noel's vocals. (Kidding! Mostly. Obviously there are a lot of factors that contribute to conversations like this.)
That's because Noel's vocals never were / are not and never will be as good as Liams vocals! And this is coming from a guy who loves all of Noel's Acoustic recordings from the 90's... Noel's are objectively better. I'd never believe that Liam was lip syncing. Not for a second. Even in performances where he sounds 'great', there are still noticable flaws like straining and dropping certain notes that he didn't on the record. Anybody who actually thinks that's lip syncing has no clue what they're talking about. Sounding better than he usually does isn't sufficient evidence to support such a claim. They may very well be cleaned up in post, but that's an entirely separate discussion. You can also usually tell if they're lip syncing or not by looking at their throats. Liam very clearly isn't lip syncing and never has(except on TOTP and things like that). Noel's performances are usually much closer to the record (technically speaking) and he usually hits the right notes with fewer noticeable flaws. For this reason, I'd be more willing to buy that he's lip syncing (even though it's very clear that he isn't). Also, Noel receives much more scrutiny on this forum, so I have no idea what that person was talking about. A large amount of members here hate Noel's new material. Similarly, a lot on here talk about what a jerk he is. You don't see that about Liam.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 9, 2020 16:28:50 GMT -5
Does Noel get critiqued this heavily in this forum? My word... 🙈🙉 Noel has not been criticised by one single Oasis fan in the last 3 years
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Post by garylineker on Jan 19, 2021 10:47:02 GMT -5
One of the main reasons I used to stay away from posting on this forum was because Liam was mocked to the point it was more like a Beady Eye hating forum than an Oasis fan forum.
A lot on here were not just saying he was finished, they were seemingly happy about it and rubbing it in the faces of the few who were sticking up for him.
The criticism of Noel isn't unique to this forum. In the last 6 years or so he has become very unpopular due to his comments and behaviour. There was a big change (almost coinciding with Liams rise) in his comments and attitude. The rich working class man with wit and charisma was replaced by a bitter stuck up rich man with contempt for anyone beneath him. That's why he gets criticised by many people now, not just this forum.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 20, 2021 6:50:01 GMT -5
One of the main reasons I used to stay away from posting on this forum was because Liam was mocked to the point it was more like a Beady Eye hating forum than an Oasis fan forum. A lot on here were not just saying he was finished, they were seemingly happy about it and rubbing it in the faces of the few who were sticking up for him. The criticism of Noel isn't unique to this forum. In the last 6 years or so he has become very unpopular due to his comments and behaviour. There was a big change (almost coinciding with Liams rise) in his comments and attitude. The rich working class man with wit and charisma was replaced by a bitter stuck up rich man with contempt for anyone beneath him. That's why he gets criticised by many people now, not just this forum. This. Since my teen years (DM/MG era) I was a huge Noel fanboy. But since WBTM, I can't stand him most of the time. He's playing the arrogant bitter self-centered ass now, bar maybe Reel Stories where I felt he was more genuine. I know he became quite bitter at the reaction to the WBTM trailer and Holy Mountain but he keeps saying that he knew it would happen so, I don't know if that's what made him change. I don't think it's related to Liam's comeback though. His comeback and WBTM's press and tour were at the same time so I think that was a coincidence. But yeah that's why I've been focusing on music more around here rather than on either Gallaghers. I can't stand them anymore. Liam's always playing the victim card while playing the nice guy who just wants to reach out to his mean brother and Noel always acting as a self-centered ass (see my signature). The fanboy in me is gone. Now it's all about the music. I do like Liam's records less because of the type of music but also because too many songs have bitter and angry lyrics that feel like an attack on Noel and I'm not having that. And it's not because I'm a Noel fanboy, I just don't want to hear about their shit anymore. So now, if the music's good, then I'm getting it. Otherwise they can both go fuck themselves...
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Post by garylineker on Jan 20, 2021 18:35:55 GMT -5
One of the main reasons I used to stay away from posting on this forum was because Liam was mocked to the point it was more like a Beady Eye hating forum than an Oasis fan forum. A lot on here were not just saying he was finished, they were seemingly happy about it and rubbing it in the faces of the few who were sticking up for him. The criticism of Noel isn't unique to this forum. In the last 6 years or so he has become very unpopular due to his comments and behaviour. There was a big change (almost coinciding with Liams rise) in his comments and attitude. The rich working class man with wit and charisma was replaced by a bitter stuck up rich man with contempt for anyone beneath him. That's why he gets criticised by many people now, not just this forum. This. Since my teen years (DM/MG era) I was a huge Noel fanboy. But since WBTM, I can't stand him most of the time. He's playing the arrogant bitter self-centered ass now, bar maybe Reel Stories where I felt he was more genuine. I know he became quite bitter at the reaction to the WBTM trailer and Holy Mountain but he keeps saying that he knew it would happen so, I don't know if that's what made him change. I don't think it's related to Liam's comeback though. His comeback and WBTM's press and tour were at the same time so I think that was a coincidence. But yeah that's why I've been focusing on music more around here rather than on either Gallaghers. I can't stand them anymore. Liam's always playing the victim card while playing the nice guy who just wants to reach out to his mean brother and Noel always acting as a self-centered ass (see my signature). The fanboy in me is gone. Now it's all about the music. I do like Liam's records less because of the type of music but also because too many songs have bitter and angry lyrics that feel like an attack on Noel and I'm not having that. And it's not because I'm a Noel fanboy, I just don't want to hear about their shit anymore. So now, if the music's good, then I'm getting it. Otherwise they can both go fuck themselves... I didn't say it was because of Liam's comeback but that sure did increase his stubborn fuck you to the fans. He says he doesn't care and knew he would get that reaction to his music but he was releasing it off the back of 2 albums where he could do no wrong. He thought he was in that safe space where he was the only Gallagher anyone wanted to hear from. I think if WBTM come along on its own with Liam still in the wilderness, there would have still been a worse reaction than the first 2 albums but the contrast with Liam making good quality Oasis type songs just compounded Noels misery. I am still a big fan of both and I do put it down to Noel just being caught up a bit too much in the lifestyle now and his incredible stuborness. He is showing signs hes not gonna be as much of an arse in future. I think even he realises this is absolute self destruct lately.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 6:36:36 GMT -5
Noel does care about the reaction to his music, as seen when he went back to the Oasis sound in 2002 after Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was criticised. Which is why his next album will be back to him doing what he does best. I don't particularly think Black Star Dancing or Blue Moon Rising are terrible songs, but when you listen to Sail On or Dead in the Water you realise what sort of songs Noel is a genius at and what he isn't.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 21, 2021 6:56:38 GMT -5
Noel does care about the reaction to his music, as seen when he went back to the Oasis sound in 2002 after Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was criticised. Which is why his next album will be back to him doing what he does best. I don't particularly think Black Star Dancing or Blue Moon Rising are terrible songs, but when you listen to Sail On or Dead in the Water you realise what sort of songs Noel is a genius at and what he isn't. He cares, all artists care. Even in the HC documentary, he talks about making Liam understand what it feels like to put something out and for people to quickly dismiss it. After WBTM, he complained constantly about people's reaction to the trailer and Holy Mountain and he started saying that he was going to make music to show those people are far he could go (he said it in Reel Stories when talking about Black Star Dancing but also in a lot of his interviews around the time of the EPs). When he either Gallaghers says they don't care, they mean they're not going to make a certain type of record to please the fans (which ironically they did with HC).
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Post by garylineker on Jan 21, 2021 10:36:42 GMT -5
Noel does care about the reaction to his music, as seen when he went back to the Oasis sound in 2002 after Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was criticised. Which is why his next album will be back to him doing what he does best. I don't particularly think Black Star Dancing or Blue Moon Rising are terrible songs, but when you listen to Sail On or Dead in the Water you realise what sort of songs Noel is a genius at and what he isn't. Exactly this. What he will do with the next album is go back to what he does best but still have a few "sonic" elements. Just enough so he can turn round and say it's still a new sound and it's us who don't know what we want.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 21, 2021 12:55:04 GMT -5
Noel does care about the reaction to his music, as seen when he went back to the Oasis sound in 2002 after Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was criticised. Which is why his next album will be back to him doing what he does best. I don't particularly think Black Star Dancing or Blue Moon Rising are terrible songs, but when you listen to Sail On or Dead in the Water you realise what sort of songs Noel is a genius at and what he isn't. Sorry about that man, I read "Noel doesn't care". It was early in the morning!
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