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Post by matt on Nov 6, 2020 20:49:11 GMT -5
Hitler in the bunker scenario - the game is up, and all his allies are deserting him.
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Post by matt on Nov 6, 2020 20:56:34 GMT -5
This is the kind of informative post I love. Great post, but one question - what's the general makeup of Democrat senators? Are they generally more progressive than a Presidential candidate? This is kind of hard to answer without more context. There are political organizations that rank members of Congress based on their voting record (e.g. did they vote yes or no on a piece of legislation deemed progressive, gun friendly, abortion friendly, etc). Keep in mind that comparing a Senator's "progressiveness" to a Presidential candidate is a bit of apples to oranges, as Senator's only have to win in a state, where attitudes are generally very consistent between both sides of the political spectrum, spare a few of the larger states which as you can imagine have very different cultures in one part vs another. Therefore, most Senate candidates can align with the majority view points on issues in their respective states and don't have to be as moderating as the typical Presidential candidate, who has to win across many diverse states. Obviously, Trump is a bit of an exception to the moderating approach of most Presidential candidates. That being said, most "progressive" voting score cards will show that almost all Democratic Senators currently serving vote > 50% of the time with progressive stances on issues. The ones on the lower end of the spectrum typically come from states that skew more middle of the road or even lean conservative. This is all to say that while there may be national popular support for certain progressive ideas, they are not usually reflected in Congress due to the population distribution vs state boundaries (a lot of our population is consolidated in a handful of states). Thanks, great post. In such a climate, do you see somebody like AOC winning the presidency in a number of years time (replacing Sanders as the progressive choice)? She may talk a good game and have social media appeal but given the makeup of the electorate, I'm taking the assumption that she'd struggle get the votes?
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Post by oasisunited on Nov 6, 2020 21:08:00 GMT -5
This is kind of hard to answer without more context. There are political organizations that rank members of Congress based on their voting record (e.g. did they vote yes or no on a piece of legislation deemed progressive, gun friendly, abortion friendly, etc). Keep in mind that comparing a Senator's "progressiveness" to a Presidential candidate is a bit of apples to oranges, as Senator's only have to win in a state, where attitudes are generally very consistent between both sides of the political spectrum, spare a few of the larger states which as you can imagine have very different cultures in one part vs another. Therefore, most Senate candidates can align with the majority view points on issues in their respective states and don't have to be as moderating as the typical Presidential candidate, who has to win across many diverse states. Obviously, Trump is a bit of an exception to the moderating approach of most Presidential candidates. That being said, most "progressive" voting score cards will show that almost all Democratic Senators currently serving vote > 50% of the time with progressive stances on issues. The ones on the lower end of the spectrum typically come from states that skew more middle of the road or even lean conservative. This is all to say that while there may be national popular support for certain progressive ideas, they are not usually reflected in Congress due to the population distribution vs state boundaries (a lot of our population is consolidated in a handful of states). Thanks, great post. In such a climate, do you see somebody like AOC winning the presidency in a number of years time (replacing Sanders as the progressive choice)? She may talk a good game and have social media appeal but given the makeup of the electorate, I'm taking the assumption that she'd struggle get the votes? She and other progressives will struggle for a few generations as long as we still use the electoral college as our system to elect the president. In fact, I expect that our first female president will be a conservative simply based on the swing states (there are about 6 of them) that make or break each election (we can go into why that is, but its a very long American history lesson). The key take away is that the system gives a bit more weight to the smaller, less populous states, which also tend to vote more conservative. We move much more slowly towards social change than say Europe. The US is essentially 50 different countries all trying to agree on one thing.
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Post by NYR on Nov 6, 2020 22:57:59 GMT -5
Thanks, great post. In such a climate, do you see somebody like AOC winning the presidency in a number of years time (replacing Sanders as the progressive choice)? She may talk a good game and have social media appeal but given the makeup of the electorate, I'm taking the assumption that she'd struggle get the votes? She and other progressives will struggle for a few generations as long as we still use the electoral college as our system to elect the president. In fact, I expect that our first female president will be a conservative simply based on the swing states (there are about 6 of them) that make or break each election (we can go into why that is, but its a very long American history lesson). The key take away is that the system gives a bit more weight to the smaller, less populous states, which also tend to vote more conservative. We move much more slowly towards social change than say Europe. The US is essentially 50 different countries all trying to agree on one thing. Wonderfully put. AOC is great, but considering she's the new boogeyman/enemy #1 to conservatives, it would be a daunting task for her to win the key swing states needed to win under the Electoral College system like Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania.
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Post by NYR on Nov 6, 2020 23:00:58 GMT -5
Trump got destroyed on the military votes. Practically 4 to 1.
It's almost as if disrespecting the senior military brass at every turn, shit talking POWs, using troops as political props whenever it suits you, and ignoring bounties on the heads of your own soldiers was somehow unappealing to military voters. Go figure!
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 7, 2020 4:34:40 GMT -5
Such a bizarre, yet hilarious situation. I keep reminding myself that it's a serious matter, but what the fuck...
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Nov 7, 2020 4:54:15 GMT -5
Crackpot theories: Trump won but Deep State picked Biden Biden was a deepfake
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Post by funhouse on Nov 7, 2020 6:22:33 GMT -5
This is normal.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 7, 2020 7:23:28 GMT -5
Trump wants to barricade himself in the White House and not come out if Biden wins. From building a wall in the border to Mexico to build his own lego wall. How far can be the "President of the USA" pathetic?
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Post by NYR on Nov 7, 2020 8:02:39 GMT -5
Trump wants to barricade himself in the White House and not come out if Biden wins. I would pay good money to watch a live video feed of the Secret Service literally dragging Trump out of the White House in January, kicking and screaming.
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Post by globe on Nov 7, 2020 11:35:21 GMT -5
BBC have called PA for Biden now. 273, game over.
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Post by NYR on Nov 7, 2020 11:38:49 GMT -5
BBC have called PA for Biden now. 273, game over. CNN, NBC, ABC, New York Times, and the AP as well. It's over. Our four-years-long, national nightmare is over.
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Post by NYR on Nov 7, 2020 11:41:41 GMT -5
How fitting that Trump was golfing when this happened.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 7, 2020 11:41:51 GMT -5
Congratulations America!
Now it's time to celebrate and to enjoy the aftermath. No doubt Trump won't admit his defeat so easily!
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Post by RocketMan on Nov 7, 2020 11:44:52 GMT -5
DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD
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Post by darmin on Nov 7, 2020 11:54:15 GMT -5
Congratulations to Americans. Enjoy your celebrations and stay safe
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Post by funhouse on Nov 7, 2020 12:00:00 GMT -5
Maybe someone should tell this guy?
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Post by matt on Nov 7, 2020 12:23:17 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Nov 7, 2020 12:25:30 GMT -5
Finally something to celebrate in the middle of all the shit that's happening in the world right now. Fuck this clown.
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Post by NYR on Nov 7, 2020 12:28:17 GMT -5
BRB heading to Trump Tower to point and laugh
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 7, 2020 12:53:00 GMT -5
Well done, America!
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Post by eva on Nov 7, 2020 12:55:08 GMT -5
Well done, America!!
Congrats on choosing a guy who won't spew hate and arrogance in every speech and doesn't make you want to punch him in the face
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 7, 2020 13:01:02 GMT -5
Also stay safe everyone in the US!
Spread love, not hate! (and wear a mask).
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Nov 7, 2020 14:16:56 GMT -5
Beady’s Here Now HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
put that in your fuckin pipe and smoke it a tenner says you dont reply
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 7, 2020 14:49:34 GMT -5
And the first ever female vice-President in the US history! Well done!
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