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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 22, 2024 14:47:24 GMT -5
Was it this episode where he was slagging off Sadiq Khan? He's done it before but yes. I mean again it does show like how bad it looks written down. Noel was pretty damning on Khan (I happen to think Khan is also useless but I don't live in London and wouldn't as go as far to call him a 'c***'). Noel's spoke about his dislike of him before on this pod though. I think as far back as 2021/early 2022. It's nothing new really. Said Khan once got someone to come up to him at the boxing and ask Noel 'if he'd like a picture with the Mayor of London'. I don't think he's ever forgiven him. Khan is hopeless. London's a shithole. But it'll always be a shithole. Sorry, not sorry, to any Londoners. Noel can think he twat all he wants. What he shouldn’t do is talk shit about issues that are mostly the responsibility of central government. It’s not Khan’s fiefdom. And London isn’t immune from wider societal issues. It was, and is a great city. |
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Post by yogurt on Jan 22, 2024 15:20:00 GMT -5
Noel talks like he's moved on musically but he says it in a way like it's so far removed from Oasis, it's not. Let's be honest, pretty much most of Noels solo output is completely middle of the road stuff, except some parts of who built the moon, most of which it sounds like Holmes put together, and a few EP's that nobody really cares about much. But 90% of his solo music is middle of the road pop rock music, its not THAT far removed from Oasis, except its mostly not as good and he can't deliver a song as good as Liam. But it's not he's done some huge shift in genres. I'm sure he could easily tap back into the Oasis sound. He acts like he's done a Fatboy Slim and gone from a musician in a band to being a huge name in dance music. Really he's just writing mostly guitar songs with less excitement and balls. I don't disagree but point is do we really want an Oasis album that sounds like Council Skies, which is what he was saying. I like Council Skies well enough but not as an Oasis album. He was basically saying he's not gonna tap back in. Why he wouldn't write a proper Oasis album is beyond me, he says he can't do riffs, can't play lead, can't solo, must be psychological because there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to. I'm not arsed if we never get an Oasis album. And yeah, there's no reason Noel can't play solos and riffs. He can. He's probably just got quite lazy as a guitarist in recent years and just strumming but a few weeks solid playing and he would be up to speed. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 22, 2024 15:55:38 GMT -5
He's done it before but yes. I mean again it does show like how bad it looks written down. Noel was pretty damning on Khan (I happen to think Khan is also useless but I don't live in London and wouldn't as go as far to call him a 'c***'). Noel's spoke about his dislike of him before on this pod though. I think as far back as 2021/early 2022. It's nothing new really. Said Khan once got someone to come up to him at the boxing and ask Noel 'if he'd like a picture with the Mayor of London'. I don't think he's ever forgiven him. Khan is hopeless. London's a shithole. But it'll always be a shithole. Sorry, not sorry, to any Londoners. Noel can think he twat all he wants. What he shouldn’t do is talk shit about issues that are mostly the responsibility of central government. It’s not Khan’s fiefdom. And London isn’t immune from wider societal issues. It was, and is a great city. He was speaking specifically about knifecrime in London citing some report that said it had gone down in other areas of the country. I don't know if it's true or not. I don't go to Noel Gallagher for my political opinions though. He does often slag off the government mind, particularly on stuff like Brexit. I do think Khan comes across as a smarmy little git but that's another thing entirely of course. I can hack about 2 days in London but some of my best mates in the world live there and love it. Each to their own of course, everyone likes different things! I'm not a big city person. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 22, 2024 15:57:32 GMT -5
I don't disagree but point is do we really want an Oasis album that sounds like Council Skies, which is what he was saying. I like Council Skies well enough but not as an Oasis album. He was basically saying he's not gonna tap back in. Why he wouldn't write a proper Oasis album is beyond me, he says he can't do riffs, can't play lead, can't solo, must be psychological because there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to. I'm not arsed if we never get an Oasis album. And yeah, there's no reason Noel can't play solos and riffs. He can. He's probably just got quite lazy as a guitarist in recent years and just strumming but a few weeks solid playing and he would be up to speed. Yeah he says regularly how lazy he's got and that Strangeboy often refuses to play solos just so Noel has to come up with stuff and do it himself on the record. Says Gem is a 'poor fucker' for having to play most of the hard stuff during gigs. |
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Post by matt on Jan 22, 2024 16:58:24 GMT -5
He's done it before but yes. I mean again it does show like how bad it looks written down. Noel was pretty damning on Khan (I happen to think Khan is also useless but I don't live in London and wouldn't as go as far to call him a 'c***'). Noel's spoke about his dislike of him before on this pod though. I think as far back as 2021/early 2022. It's nothing new really. Said Khan once got someone to come up to him at the boxing and ask Noel 'if he'd like a picture with the Mayor of London'. I don't think he's ever forgiven him. Khan is hopeless. London's a shithole. But it'll always be a shithole. Sorry, not sorry, to any Londoners. Noel can think he twat all he wants. What he shouldn’t do is talk shit about issues that are mostly the responsibility of central government. It’s not Khan’s fiefdom. And London isn’t immune from wider societal issues. It was, and is a great city. Easy target for Noel. I’m not the biggest fan of Khan but Noel’s probably brainwashed to think poorly of him by his Tory pals. This is a guy who hung out with Lebedev, chief Tory donor. Rock n roll Noel.... fuck me, he couldn’t be less rock n roll if he tried what with his associations. Those blokes from Keane are probably cooler than him these days. |
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Post by Derrick on Jan 28, 2024 4:02:24 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 28, 2024 6:50:35 GMT -5
Noel can think he twat all he wants. What he shouldn’t do is talk shit about issues that are mostly the responsibility of central government. It’s not Khan’s fiefdom. And London isn’t immune from wider societal issues. It was, and is a great city. Easy target for Noel. I’m not the biggest fan of Khan but Noel’s probably brainwashed to think poorly of him by his Tory pals. This is a guy who hung out with Lebedev, chief Tory donor. Rock n roll Noel.... fuck me, he couldn’t be less rock n roll if he tried what with his associations. Those blokes from Keane are probably cooler than him these days. Noel’s been hobnobbing with Lebedev? Jesus wept… |
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Post by matt on Jan 28, 2024 13:47:30 GMT -5
Easy target for Noel. I’m not the biggest fan of Khan but Noel’s probably brainwashed to think poorly of him by his Tory pals. This is a guy who hung out with Lebedev, chief Tory donor. Rock n roll Noel.... fuck me, he couldn’t be less rock n roll if he tried what with his associations. Those blokes from Keane are probably cooler than him these days. Noel’s been hobnobbing with Lebedev? Jesus wept… Oh he hung out at one of his VIP swanky parties a few years back. Cringe worthy to the extreme. |
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Post by vespa on Jan 29, 2024 6:06:32 GMT -5
Khans been a shit show and Noel’s exactly correct in his words.. London under the guidance of him has become a shithole and a disaster
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 29, 2024 6:27:37 GMT -5
Khans been a shit show and Noel’s exactly correct in his words.. London under the guidance of him has become a shithole and a disaster It isn't either of those things. Nor is Khan responsible for the incompetence of central government. Is he perfect? Far from it, but Noel is just repeating a ring-wing trope |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 29, 2024 11:13:53 GMT -5
When you're a fan of Oasis and Noel in general as long as me it's very easy to see when he's pushing one of his quite manipulating stories so everyone around him goes along with his narrative.
Yet again on Matt's podcast he's pushing the one that he was always so forward thinking musically and Liam held him back. Absolute nonsense.
It was only around 2007 onwards Noel started to get bothered by those naysayers who'd call him derivative in his music and tastes. Before that he would gleefully tell you all he listens to is The Beatles, Stones, Bowie, T Rex and some Best Ofs. Fast forward to now and he can't wait to tell you how eclectic he is.
Death Of You and Me was so musically different to Oasis that Liam wouldnt have accepted it? Dig Out Your Soul genuinely has more musically interesting moments than Noel's first solo album. The first HFB is Sardy Oasis to a tee. Who is he kidding with this shit? Matt Morgan and and Elton John maybe. Not any of us.
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Post by matt on Jan 29, 2024 11:53:43 GMT -5
When you're a fan of Oasis and Noel in general as long as me it's very easy to see when he's pushing one of his quite manipulating stories so everyone around him goes along with his narrative. Yet again on Matt's podcast he's pushing the one that he was always so forward thinking musically and Liam held him back. Absolute nonsense. It was only around 2007 onwards Noel started to get bothered by those naysayers who'd call him derivative in his music and tastes. Before that he would gleefully tell you all he listens to is The Beatles, Stones, Bowie, T Rex and some Best Ofs. Fast forward to now and he can't wait to tell you how eclectic he is. Death Of You and Me was so musically different to Oasis that Liam wouldnt have accepted it? Dig Out Your Soul genuinely has more musically interesting moments than Noel's first solo album. The first HFB is Sardy Oasis to a tee. Who is he kidding with this shit? Matt Morgan and and Elton John maybe. Not any of us. There's absolutely nothing in Noel's solo career to suggest he's more eclectic. Fine, some of the songs on Council Skies might not be traditional Oasis fare, but the changes are not significant enough in difference to make you think 'wow, this is a stylistic u-turn'. The one time that has happened, he needed David Holmes to drag him out of that rut. Outside of Who Built The Moon, everything is bland midtempo comfort zone fodder. |
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Post by Firefly on Jan 29, 2024 12:29:28 GMT -5
When you're a fan of Oasis and Noel in general as long as me it's very easy to see when he's pushing one of his quite manipulating stories so everyone around him goes along with his narrative. Yet again on Matt's podcast he's pushing the one that he was always so forward thinking musically and Liam held him back. Absolute nonsense. It was only around 2007 onwards Noel started to get bothered by those naysayers who'd call him derivative in his music and tastes. Before that he would gleefully tell you all he listens to is The Beatles, Stones, Bowie, T Rex and some Best Ofs. Fast forward to now and he can't wait to tell you how eclectic he is. Death Of You and Me was so musically different to Oasis that Liam wouldnt have accepted it? Dig Out Your Soul genuinely has more musically interesting moments than Noel's first solo album. The first HFB is Sardy Oasis to a tee. Who is he kidding with this shit? Matt Morgan and and Elton John maybe. Not any of us. Noel's no stranger to twisting his history for sure, but to be fair to him on this occasion I think his point on that podcast wasn't that he was this eclectic far out music guy who was too zany for everyone, but that he just didn't want to write stadium rock forever and everyone else reacted badly to the slightest deviation from that template. He was pointing out the reaction of everyone else listening to his new tunes and them thinking noooooo fucking way. That was his point. He wasn't straying that far, he was writing it for Oasis after all, they thought he was straying. Hence Liam thinking Wonderwall was reggae that time. Besides, Liam even said himself at the time he didn't like Noel writing 'country music' ie ballads...tho suspect that had more to do with Liam not being the one singing them. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 29, 2024 13:03:32 GMT -5
When you're a fan of Oasis and Noel in general as long as me it's very easy to see when he's pushing one of his quite manipulating stories so everyone around him goes along with his narrative. Yet again on Matt's podcast he's pushing the one that he was always so forward thinking musically and Liam held him back. Absolute nonsense. It was only around 2007 onwards Noel started to get bothered by those naysayers who'd call him derivative in his music and tastes. Before that he would gleefully tell you all he listens to is The Beatles, Stones, Bowie, T Rex and some Best Ofs. Fast forward to now and he can't wait to tell you how eclectic he is. Death Of You and Me was so musically different to Oasis that Liam wouldnt have accepted it? Dig Out Your Soul genuinely has more musically interesting moments than Noel's first solo album. The first HFB is Sardy Oasis to a tee. Who is he kidding with this shit? Matt Morgan and and Elton John maybe. Not any of us. Noel's no stranger to twisting his history for sure, but to be fair to him on this occasion I think his point on that podcast wasn't that he was this eclectic far out music guy who was too zany for everyone, but that he just didn't want to write stadium rock forever and everyone else reacted badly to the slightest deviation from that template. He was pointing out the reaction of everyone else listening to his new tunes and them thinking noooooo fucking way. That was his point. He wasn't straying that far, he was writing it for Oasis after all, they thought he was straying. Hence Liam thinking Wonderwall was reggae that time. Besides, Liam even said himself at the time he didn't like Noel writing 'country music' ie ballads. I've never got the 'stadium rock' thing that Noel goes on about. How much of those last 3 albums are stadium rock? |
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Post by Firefly on Jan 29, 2024 13:25:12 GMT -5
Noel's no stranger to twisting his history for sure, but to be fair to him on this occasion I think his point on that podcast wasn't that he was this eclectic far out music guy who was too zany for everyone, but that he just didn't want to write stadium rock forever and everyone else reacted badly to the slightest deviation from that template. He was pointing out the reaction of everyone else listening to his new tunes and them thinking noooooo fucking way. That was his point. He wasn't straying that far, he was writing it for Oasis after all, they thought he was straying. Hence Liam thinking Wonderwall was reggae that time. Besides, Liam even said himself at the time he didn't like Noel writing 'country music' ie ballads. I've never got the 'stadium rock' thing that Noel goes on about. How much of those last 3 albums are stadium rock? Yeah I get what you mean, always thought Oasis sound leaned towards the pop end of things myself, excluding DM. Reckon DOYS was at least approaching a return to rockier roots imo. I'm guessing he just means he wanted to write what he wanted to write without any band members telling him you can't write that. Didn't want band agreement anymore. |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Jan 29, 2024 17:03:05 GMT -5
When you're a fan of Oasis and Noel in general as long as me it's very easy to see when he's pushing one of his quite manipulating stories so everyone around him goes along with his narrative. Yet again on Matt's podcast he's pushing the one that he was always so forward thinking musically and Liam held him back. Absolute nonsense. It was only around 2007 onwards Noel started to get bothered by those naysayers who'd call him derivative in his music and tastes. Before that he would gleefully tell you all he listens to is The Beatles, Stones, Bowie, T Rex and some Best Ofs. Fast forward to now and he can't wait to tell you how eclectic he is. Death Of You and Me was so musically different to Oasis that Liam wouldnt have accepted it? Dig Out Your Soul genuinely has more musically interesting moments than Noel's first solo album. The first HFB is Sardy Oasis to a tee. Who is he kidding with this shit? Matt Morgan and and Elton John maybe. Not any of us. I get part of your point but to be fair Noel was in the house and dance scenes well before his Oasis days. In fact I think that he twists more his own story than the Oasis one. He was doing Temper Temper, Teotihuacan and singles with the Chemical Brothers ages ago. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 29, 2024 18:03:58 GMT -5
When you're a fan of Oasis and Noel in general as long as me it's very easy to see when he's pushing one of his quite manipulating stories so everyone around him goes along with his narrative. Yet again on Matt's podcast he's pushing the one that he was always so forward thinking musically and Liam held him back. Absolute nonsense. It was only around 2007 onwards Noel started to get bothered by those naysayers who'd call him derivative in his music and tastes. Before that he would gleefully tell you all he listens to is The Beatles, Stones, Bowie, T Rex and some Best Ofs. Fast forward to now and he can't wait to tell you how eclectic he is. Death Of You and Me was so musically different to Oasis that Liam wouldnt have accepted it? Dig Out Your Soul genuinely has more musically interesting moments than Noel's first solo album. The first HFB is Sardy Oasis to a tee. Who is he kidding with this shit? Matt Morgan and and Elton John maybe. Not any of us. There's absolutely nothing in Noel's solo career to suggest he's more eclectic. Fine, some of the songs on Council Skies might not be traditional Oasis fare, but the changes are not significant enough in difference to make you think 'wow, this is a stylistic u-turn'. The one time that has happened, he needed David Holmes to drag him out of that rut. Outside of Who Built The Moon, everything is bland midtempo comfort zone fodder. Exactly. I love Noel but he's always been very good at telling a story and rewriting things to suit his own narrative. I don't doubt that at times Liam will have said what the fucks that? But like you say there's not much at all that Noel's done solo that couldn't have been on an Oasis record. No matter how many times he tells us otherwise. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 29, 2024 18:10:10 GMT -5
When you're a fan of Oasis and Noel in general as long as me it's very easy to see when he's pushing one of his quite manipulating stories so everyone around him goes along with his narrative. Yet again on Matt's podcast he's pushing the one that he was always so forward thinking musically and Liam held him back. Absolute nonsense. It was only around 2007 onwards Noel started to get bothered by those naysayers who'd call him derivative in his music and tastes. Before that he would gleefully tell you all he listens to is The Beatles, Stones, Bowie, T Rex and some Best Ofs. Fast forward to now and he can't wait to tell you how eclectic he is. Death Of You and Me was so musically different to Oasis that Liam wouldnt have accepted it? Dig Out Your Soul genuinely has more musically interesting moments than Noel's first solo album. The first HFB is Sardy Oasis to a tee. Who is he kidding with this shit? Matt Morgan and and Elton John maybe. Not any of us. Noel's no stranger to twisting his history for sure, but to be fair to him on this occasion I think his point on that podcast wasn't that he was this eclectic far out music guy who was too zany for everyone, but that he just didn't want to write stadium rock forever and everyone else reacted badly to the slightest deviation from that template. He was pointing out the reaction of everyone else listening to his new tunes and them thinking noooooo fucking way. That was his point. He wasn't straying that far, he was writing it for Oasis after all, they thought he was straying. Hence Liam thinking Wonderwall was reggae that time. Besides, Liam even said himself at the time he didn't like Noel writing 'country music' ie ballads...tho suspect that had more to do with Liam not being the one singing them. The stadium rock narrative is also bullshit. Dig Out Your Soul wasn't stadium rock anthems. The first 2 HFB albums were him attempting everything he was in Oasis. The only slight change was with Holmes but that was nothing like this space jazz experience he likes to make out either. He's also bottled that direction because of the backlash. The backlash he pretended not to care about. I actually admire how Noel still made so many great singles for so long after the first two albums, contrary to wider misconception that everything Oasis was 1994-1996. He didn't have amazing musicians that could come up with ideas to cover up poorer songs like other bands had. It was all in the melody and the song quality straight up with Oasis. He shouldn't run away from that. He should be proud of it. Not spin a line that he was caught up in Stadium rock for Liam's sake. He wanted all of that as much as anyone. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 30, 2024 3:11:19 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher wanted to write different songs, but he just cant. His songs will always be in the vein of Oasis. And that's ok. He'll never be Dylan, he'll never by Morrissey, he'll never be Bowie.
That's probably why he's criticizing later days Oasis so much. Because he wanted to escape from it, but never managed to.
He failed to be different and he knows it. WBTM, his EP, his other solo albums are not "out there" or "Cosmic pop", they're just his same songs produced a bit differently.
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Post by Goosey on Jan 30, 2024 11:18:20 GMT -5
It’s gaslighting. Constantly using that rhetoric “I had to write stadium songs”
As if Idler’s Dream, She Is Love, Married With Children etc don’t exist. He could have made any song he wanted, but the fact is couldn’t. It was only after he worked with Gaz Cobain and David Holmes and presumably nabbed a load of their ideas and tricks to start writing the EPs etc….
And even they aren’t as out there as he thinks they are.
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Post by vespa on Jan 30, 2024 12:21:27 GMT -5
No he’s not them because he’s far better than them.. Dylan is hit and miss, morrissey is a miserable fucker and never evolved at all.. Bowie was fantastic but never had the output Noel’s had . And to say he writes the same songs with just different production? You’ll find that most music is down to production and songs that have all mostly started off on a guitar .. Noel’s solo output is loads different to a lot of oasis main album stuff He criticised that last album a lot because Liam messed up the track list by going home to get married hence the reason it dies off after track 5! quote author=" andymorris" source="/post/1739684/thread" timestamp="1706602279"]Noel Gallagher wanted to write different songs, but he just cant. His songs will always be in the vein of Oasis. And that's ok. He'll never be Dylan, he'll never by Morrissey, he'll never be Bowie. That's probably why he's criticizing later days Oasis so much. Because he wanted to escape from it, but never managed to. He failed to be different and he knows it. WBTM, his EP, his other solo albums are not "out there" or "Cosmic pop", they're just his same songs produced a bit differently. [/quote] |
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Post by Goosey on Jan 30, 2024 12:43:13 GMT -5
It's all fucking pop music by any other name. To borrow another quote NG's songwriting is the definition of 'Rock n roll at different speeds'. Does anybody honestly give two shits about this non debate? Clearly as theres a discussion going on. If you don’t like it, don’t participate. |
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Post by Teotihuacan on Jan 30, 2024 12:46:21 GMT -5
Fair enough I was just about to delete my post above since it honestly , to me seemed such a waste of time. But by al means, seriously, have at it.
Spose I should have said the debate is just BS cause, as fans, why try and put stuff Noel writes in a (genre) box? Noel apparently didn't wanna play a song like TDoYaM to Liam cause he thought Liam would dismiss it.
While he might be talking bollocks, I think he knows Liam well enough to judge accurately. He worked with LG over 15 years on a hundred songs.
Liam hated Womderwall and Noel had to convince him to sing it or he was dubious in 1995.
That's a Noel story again though, it could be suspect
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jan 30, 2024 13:31:25 GMT -5
No he’s not them because he’s far better than them.. Dylan is hit and miss, morrissey is a miserable fucker and never evolved at all.. Bowie was fantastic but never had the output Noel’s had . And to say he writes the same songs with just different production? You’ll find that most music is down to production and songs that have all mostly started off on a guitar .. Noel’s solo output is loads different to a lot of oasis main album stuff He criticised that last album a lot because Liam messed up the track list by going home to get married hence the reason it dies off after track 5! quote author=" andymorris" source="/post/1739684/thread" timestamp="1706602279"]Noel Gallagher wanted to write different songs, but he just cant. His songs will always be in the vein of Oasis. And that's ok. He'll never be Dylan, he'll never by Morrissey, he'll never be Bowie. That's probably why he's criticizing later days Oasis so much. Because he wanted to escape from it, but never managed to. He failed to be different and he knows it. WBTM, his EP, his other solo albums are not "out there" or "Cosmic pop", they're just his same songs produced a bit differently. [/quote] That's really a bold statement. I also prefer Noel's output over Morrissey's but honestly Bowie is in another league: Noel's output was at Bowie's level only for 3-4 years. Dylan...I agree he has released many average albums that got rave reviews because, well, he's Dylan but he has still released at least 5 undeniable masterpieces (and many good albums) |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 30, 2024 13:33:26 GMT -5
No he’s not them because he’s far better than them.. Dylan is hit and miss, morrissey is a miserable fucker and never evolved at all.. Bowie was fantastic but never had the output Noel’s had . And to say he writes the same songs with just different production? You’ll find that most music is down to production and songs that have all mostly started off on a guitar .. Noel’s solo output is loads different to a lot of oasis main album stuff He criticised that last album a lot because Liam messed up the track list by going home to get married hence the reason it dies off after track 5! quote author=" andymorris" source="/post/1739684/thread" timestamp="1706602279"]Noel Gallagher wanted to write different songs, but he just cant. His songs will always be in the vein of Oasis. And that's ok. He'll never be Dylan, he'll never by Morrissey, he'll never be Bowie. That's probably why he's criticizing later days Oasis so much. Because he wanted to escape from it, but never managed to. He failed to be different and he knows it. WBTM, his EP, his other solo albums are not "out there" or "Cosmic pop", they're just his same songs produced a bit differently. Far better than Bob? Nah, not having that. |
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