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Post by The Chief on Jan 30, 2024 14:15:36 GMT -5
Spose I should have said the debate is just BS cause, as fans, why try and put stuff Noel writes in a (genre) box? Noel apparently didn't wanna play a song like TDoYaM to Liam cause he thought Liam would dismiss it. While he might be talking bollocks, I think he knows Liam well enough to judge accurately. He worked with LG over 15 years on a hundred songs. Liam hated Womderwall and Noel had to convince him to sing it or he was dubious in 1995. This. Liam would have never agreed to release a record without at least one "out and out rock 'n' roll song d'you know whatta mean?" It’s gaslighting. Constantly using that rhetoric “I had to write stadium songs” As if Idler’s Dream, She Is Love, Married With Children etc don’t exist. He could have made any song he wanted, but the fact is couldn’t. It was only after he worked with Gaz Cobain and David Holmes and presumably nabbed a load of their ideas and tricks to start writing the EPs etc…. And even they aren’t as out there as he thinks they are. To be fair, Noel never said he wrote exclusively stadium rock. He even used to say that he didn't hate doing what he did in Oasis but rather that he felt he had to write a certain way which he sums up as "stadium rock". Going solo, he doesn't feel like that anymore. Sure his songs start off the same, that's how he learned to write songs. Even going in with David Holmes, he didn't start from scratch, he had stems of songs or, given how he works, probably even full songs in his head. He just feels like he's more free to do whatever he wants on a song. Also, we all know Liam has his own taste and a lot of Noel's solo material does not fit his tastes, as he's expressed ad nauseam throughout the post-Oasis years. Think of how many post-Oasis songs would've never been approved by Liam. |
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Post by Firefly on Jan 30, 2024 14:26:49 GMT -5
Noel's no stranger to twisting his history for sure, but to be fair to him on this occasion I think his point on that podcast wasn't that he was this eclectic far out music guy who was too zany for everyone, but that he just didn't want to write stadium rock forever and everyone else reacted badly to the slightest deviation from that template. He was pointing out the reaction of everyone else listening to his new tunes and them thinking noooooo fucking way. That was his point. He wasn't straying that far, he was writing it for Oasis after all, they thought he was straying. Hence Liam thinking Wonderwall was reggae that time. Besides, Liam even said himself at the time he didn't like Noel writing 'country music' ie ballads...tho suspect that had more to do with Liam not being the one singing them. The stadium rock narrative is also bullshit. Dig Out Your Soul wasn't stadium rock anthems. The first 2 HFB albums were him attempting everything he was in Oasis. The only slight change was with Holmes but that was nothing like this space jazz experience he likes to make out either. He's also bottled that direction because of the backlash. The backlash he pretended not to care about. I actually admire how Noel still made so many great singles for so long after the first two albums, contrary to wider misconception that everything Oasis was 1994-1996. He didn't have amazing musicians that could come up with ideas to cover up poorer songs like other bands had. It was all in the melody and the song quality straight up with Oasis. He shouldn't run away from that. He should be proud of it. Not spin a line that he was caught up in Stadium rock for Liam's sake. He wanted all of that as much as anyone. WBTM backlash proves he was right. People didn't like him straying. You don't think he strayed far, even Noel is on record saying he didn't stray far, plenty disagreed. Ibiza style was the direction he was pointed in since Chemical Brothers collab, he was leaning into it in Falling Down and The Turning hence Amorphous Androgynous collab. He got cold feet over that but WBTM backlash proved he was right to get cold feet. Fans get very tetchy when Noel even slightly deviates from the template they've put on him with Liam being the biggest naysayer as he's proven over the years. So he runs back to the safety of Council Skies with general thumbs up from most but there's till a bit of oh he's still strumming the same chords, he's still plodding along. Announces acoustic album - universal approval. Lost count of the number of times I've seen people reacting to his announcement with oh now this is what he should be doing, this is Noel, this Noel at his best etc. THIS is his point he was making in the podcast. He uses the term stadium rock but what he means is people see him a certain way and don't like it when he's not that way. When he was with Oasis he had to be a certain way. Irony is the constraints he says he felt in Oasis ended up following him into his solo career, cos sadly he lacks the guts to say fuck you to the naysayers and stick to his guns. Wish he cared less what people think and just put out the AA album or an Ibiza album. So he wasn't criticising Oasis or running away from his achievements (since when has Noel been that humble anyway) he wasn't saying he was space jazz. He was saying everyone else reacted like he was, which they did. He even says in the podcast, he told Liam but Death Of You And Me is my best ever favourite tune, not that's my most far out whacky tune. Liam was rejecting songs Noel loved so he wanted out or he wanted an outlet at any rate. "I'd describe it as cosmic pop" he declares, proudly."It's not really that far out, it's just...it's different. It's just like me in more colourful clothes. Noel in 2017 disagreeing with his own press release calling it space jazz. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 30, 2024 14:37:51 GMT -5
The stadium rock narrative is also bullshit. Dig Out Your Soul wasn't stadium rock anthems. The first 2 HFB albums were him attempting everything he was in Oasis. The only slight change was with Holmes but that was nothing like this space jazz experience he likes to make out either. He's also bottled that direction because of the backlash. The backlash he pretended not to care about. I actually admire how Noel still made so many great singles for so long after the first two albums, contrary to wider misconception that everything Oasis was 1994-1996. He didn't have amazing musicians that could come up with ideas to cover up poorer songs like other bands had. It was all in the melody and the song quality straight up with Oasis. He shouldn't run away from that. He should be proud of it. Not spin a line that he was caught up in Stadium rock for Liam's sake. He wanted all of that as much as anyone. WBTM backlash proves he was right. People didn't like him straying. You don't think he strayed far, even Noel is on record saying he didn't stray far, plenty disagreed. Ibiza style was the direction he was pointed in since Chemical Brothers collab, he was leaning into it in Falling Down and The Turning hence Amorphous Androgynous collab. He got cold feet over that but WBTM backlash proved he was right to get cold feet. Fans get very tetchy when Noel even slightly deviates from the template they've put on him with Liam being the biggest naysayer as he's proven over the years. So he runs back to the safety of Council Skies with general thumbs up from most but there's till a bit of oh he's still strumming the same chords, he's still plodding along. Announces acoustic album - universal approval. Lost count of the number of times I've seen people reacting to his announcement with oh now this is what he should be doing, this is Noel, this Noel at his best etc. THIS is his point he was making in the podcast. He uses the term stadium rock but what he means is people see him a certain way and don't like it when he's not that way. When he was with Oasis he had to be a certain way. Irony is the constraints he says he felt in Oasis ended up following him into his solo career, cos sadly he lacks the guts to say fuck you to the naysayers and stick to his guns. Wish he cared less what people think and just put out the AA album or an Ibiza album. So he wasn't criticising Oasis or running away from his achievements (since when has Noel been that humble anyway) he wasn't saying he was space jazz. He was saying everyone else reacted like he was, which they did. He even says in the podcast, he told Liam but Death Of You And Me is my best ever favourite tune, not that's my most far out whacky tune. Liam was rejecting songs Noel loved so he wanted out or he wanted an outlet at any rate. "I'd describe it as cosmic pop" he declares, proudly."It's not really that far out, it's just...it's different. It's just like me in more colourful clothes. Noel in 2017 disagreeing with his own press release calling it space jazz. It doesn't prove he was right. Who cares what people think? He should be writing for himself. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 30, 2024 15:25:19 GMT -5
I don’t like morrissey or the smiths
I only like a few Dylan records and a few Bowie
I was just making a point with « different » sounding artists that he desperately tried to imitate.
Noel could never write space oddity or ziggy stardust or Aladin sane or under pressure (and I fuckin hate that song) lets not Kid ourselves
I grew up with Noel being my songwriting hero so I know what he’s capable of, and he’s capable of writing Noel Gallagher songs. It’s fine. He invented his own style and should stop trying to be someone he’s not (looking at you pretty boy).
His 80s obsession has ruined part of his solo career
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 30, 2024 15:38:10 GMT -5
There isn't any figure in musical history who is "far better" than Bob Dylan.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 30, 2024 16:24:12 GMT -5
WBTM backlash proves he was right. People didn't like him straying. You don't think he strayed far, even Noel is on record saying he didn't stray far, plenty disagreed. Ibiza style was the direction he was pointed in since Chemical Brothers collab, he was leaning into it in Falling Down and The Turning hence Amorphous Androgynous collab. He got cold feet over that but WBTM backlash proved he was right to get cold feet. Fans get very tetchy when Noel even slightly deviates from the template they've put on him with Liam being the biggest naysayer as he's proven over the years. So he runs back to the safety of Council Skies with general thumbs up from most but there's till a bit of oh he's still strumming the same chords, he's still plodding along. Announces acoustic album - universal approval. Lost count of the number of times I've seen people reacting to his announcement with oh now this is what he should be doing, this is Noel, this Noel at his best etc. THIS is his point he was making in the podcast. He uses the term stadium rock but what he means is people see him a certain way and don't like it when he's not that way. When he was with Oasis he had to be a certain way. Irony is the constraints he says he felt in Oasis ended up following him into his solo career, cos sadly he lacks the guts to say fuck you to the naysayers and stick to his guns. Wish he cared less what people think and just put out the AA album or an Ibiza album. So he wasn't criticising Oasis or running away from his achievements (since when has Noel been that humble anyway) he wasn't saying he was space jazz. He was saying everyone else reacted like he was, which they did. He even says in the podcast, he told Liam but Death Of You And Me is my best ever favourite tune, not that's my most far out whacky tune. Liam was rejecting songs Noel loved so he wanted out or he wanted an outlet at any rate. "I'd describe it as cosmic pop" he declares, proudly."It's not really that far out, it's just...it's different. It's just like me in more colourful clothes. Noel in 2017 disagreeing with his own press release calling it space jazz. It doesn't prove he was right. Who cares what people think? He should be writing for himself. Of course he should. But that's where, ironically, the fear that Dave Sardy said Noel didn't have in "It's Never Too Late To Be What U Might Have Been" comes in. Actually, it's either fear or just not being arsed to defend a record for another 2-3 years. When WBTM came out, Noel became very defensive and annoying. He was obviously proud of that record and was pissed at the reaction that started to come out with the snippets. Maybe he just decided to give himself a break with this one. Or, given we know he DOES care what his fans think, maybe he wanted to make a record that would be well received. Noel-by-Numbers is always well received. The other part of that is Noel likes being in the charts and in the spotlight. Look at Thom Yorke for example. He does whatever he feels like doing musically (for better or worse) and doesn't give a shit if it sells or not. Radiohead hasn't been in the charts for what, 20 years? They do their thing while Creep, The Bends and OK Computer pay the bills and that's enough for them. I don't think Noel works like that even if he could. I don’t like morrissey or the smiths I only like a few Dylan records and a few Bowie I was just making a point with « different » sounding artists that he desperately tried to imitate. Noel could never write space oddity or ziggy stardust or Aladin sane or under pressure (and I fuckin hate that song) lets not Kid ourselves I grew up with Noel being my songwriting hero so I know what he’s capable of, and he’s capable of writing Noel Gallagher songs. It’s fine. He invented his own style and should stop trying to be someone he’s not (looking at you pretty boy). His 80s obsession has ruined part of his solo career I disagree with the last part. I think he's getting influenced by the better part of the 80's and I like it. I agree with the rest of your post though. |
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Post by dl on Feb 1, 2024 15:10:00 GMT -5
No he’s not them because he’s far better than them.. Dylan is hit and miss, morrissey is a miserable fucker and never evolved at all.. Bowie was fantastic but never had the output Noel’s had . And to say he writes the same songs with just different production? You’ll find that most music is down to production and songs that have all mostly started off on a guitar .. Noel’s solo output is loads different to a lot of oasis main album stuff He criticised that last album a lot because Liam messed up the track list by going home to get married hence the reason it dies off after track 5! quote author=" andymorris" source="/post/1739684/thread" timestamp="1706602279"]Noel Gallagher wanted to write different songs, but he just cant. His songs will always be in the vein of Oasis. And that's ok. He'll never be Dylan, he'll never by Morrissey, he'll never be Bowie. That's probably why he's criticizing later days Oasis so much. Because he wanted to escape from it, but never managed to. He failed to be different and he knows it. WBTM, his EP, his other solo albums are not "out there" or "Cosmic pop", they're just his same songs produced a bit differently. [/quote] Crazy statement, even Noel would say he's nowhere near Dylan or even Bowie. Dylan is the greatest songwriter of all time. |
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Post by garylineker on Feb 2, 2024 7:57:06 GMT -5
The stadium rock narrative is also bullshit. Dig Out Your Soul wasn't stadium rock anthems. The first 2 HFB albums were him attempting everything he was in Oasis. The only slight change was with Holmes but that was nothing like this space jazz experience he likes to make out either. He's also bottled that direction because of the backlash. The backlash he pretended not to care about. I actually admire how Noel still made so many great singles for so long after the first two albums, contrary to wider misconception that everything Oasis was 1994-1996. He didn't have amazing musicians that could come up with ideas to cover up poorer songs like other bands had. It was all in the melody and the song quality straight up with Oasis. He shouldn't run away from that. He should be proud of it. Not spin a line that he was caught up in Stadium rock for Liam's sake. He wanted all of that as much as anyone. WBTM backlash proves he was right. People didn't like him straying. You don't think he strayed far, even Noel is on record saying he didn't stray far, plenty disagreed. Ibiza style was the direction he was pointed in since Chemical Brothers collab, he was leaning into it in Falling Down and The Turning hence Amorphous Androgynous collab. He got cold feet over that but WBTM backlash proved he was right to get cold feet. Fans get very tetchy when Noel even slightly deviates from the template they've put on him with Liam being the biggest naysayer as he's proven over the years. So he runs back to the safety of Council Skies with general thumbs up from most but there's till a bit of oh he's still strumming the same chords, he's still plodding along. Announces acoustic album - universal approval. Lost count of the number of times I've seen people reacting to his announcement with oh now this is what he should be doing, this is Noel, this Noel at his best etc. THIS is his point he was making in the podcast. He uses the term stadium rock but what he means is people see him a certain way and don't like it when he's not that way. When he was with Oasis he had to be a certain way. Irony is the constraints he says he felt in Oasis ended up following him into his solo career, cos sadly he lacks the guts to say fuck you to the naysayers and stick to his guns. Wish he cared less what people think and just put out the AA album or an Ibiza album. So he wasn't criticising Oasis or running away from his achievements (since when has Noel been that humble anyway) he wasn't saying he was space jazz. He was saying everyone else reacted like he was, which they did. He even says in the podcast, he told Liam but Death Of You And Me is my best ever favourite tune, not that's my most far out whacky tune. Liam was rejecting songs Noel loved so he wanted out or he wanted an outlet at any rate. "I'd describe it as cosmic pop" he declares, proudly."It's not really that far out, it's just...it's different. It's just like me in more colourful clothes. Noel in 2017 disagreeing with his own press release calling it space jazz. My issue with WBTM was the songs not being there and him being so far up his own arse with the apparent new direction that he just taken any criticism as dark fruits drinking, bucket hat wearing Liam fans. Reminds me of how Kathleen Kennedy hides behind how shit everything she's ever done is by gaslighting it as everyone hating women. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Feb 2, 2024 8:41:50 GMT -5
Was Noel on the podcast again? Any news?
I don’t feel like reading everyone’s manifesto
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Post by DCUnited on Feb 2, 2024 10:54:31 GMT -5
Was Noel on the podcast again? Any news? I don’t feel like reading everyone’s manifesto The latest one is him listening to songs people sent in for review. Another light hearted dig at Just Another Rainbow. Seemed in a good mood |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 2, 2024 17:11:59 GMT -5
Was Noel on the podcast again? Any news? I don’t feel like reading everyone’s manifesto The latest one is him listening to songs people sent in for review. Another light hearted dig at Just Another Rainbow. Seemed in a good mood In Rainbows towers over Hindu Times for me and that was a #1 single. |
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Post by bt95 on Feb 4, 2024 13:58:31 GMT -5
Was Noel on the podcast again? Any news? I don’t feel like reading everyone’s manifesto Yeah, 2 hours of him and Matt listening to songs listeners (use that term loosely) had sent in of their own. Honestly, some really good tunes on it. Noel was genuinely complementary about the vast majority of them. |
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Post by Adam on Feb 5, 2024 15:13:00 GMT -5
Funny episode out last night. Noel in good spirits - took the piss of the listing the colours of the rainbow a few times (rightly so like) but all good-natured. Said he'd consider playing Let's All Make Believe live as he likes the demo version of that song and thinks he could pull it off now he's a better singer. He's currently demoing the acoustic album, and has taken all the electric equipment out of his studio so he's not tempted, but he will get the band involved in an 'unplugged' way. Has six songs ready to go. 'In A Little While' will likely be on it but not a single. Doesn't think he'll change it much from the demo. 'God Help Us All' and 'Just Let It Come Down Over Me' have been demoed fully for it and he intends to put them on. Not much else revealing, but still funny nonetheless. Only just listened to this episode… he also said that he’s already got titles for his next two albums. No hints on what the acoustic album will be called but the one after is a quote from Eastbound and Down. "I could probably write an Oasis album if I had to, it would probably be fun to try and do it". Infuriating because if all of us were in Matt Morgan's position we'd be asking if he would write the entire album. Please Noel, if you ever get back together, write the entire album! At one point, he talks about if Oasis ever got to back together then the fan would expect an album. The way he was talking, I’d say he would be the only one writing the whole album. Limit Noel to one sung song and I’d be happy. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Feb 21, 2024 6:30:44 GMT -5
The Bovril Boys is a tune
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Post by drummert5 on Feb 21, 2024 10:00:39 GMT -5
Every time I read about a “WBTM backlash” I wonder how people are measuring that exactly - album sales/streams? Concert attendance? The Moon era was as good as any on those counts. I think any “backlash” amounts to a handful of grumpy comments on the net, not anything substantial.
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Post by futchduck on Mar 8, 2024 15:26:01 GMT -5
Stand taaawl, beee yourseeelf.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 8, 2024 15:38:02 GMT -5
Stand taaawl, beee yourseeelf. Eh? |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 8, 2024 20:37:18 GMT -5
Stand taaawl, beee yourseeelf. You’re my angel. My angel of the night. Jonny Gawne. A legend in the making. |
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Post by Adam on Mar 9, 2024 3:34:45 GMT -5
Stand taaawl, beee yourseeelf. Eh? The last two podcasts Noel has been on, he has been reviewing songs sent in by listeners. This song has was his highlight out of them all: |
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 10, 2024 5:16:50 GMT -5
Biblical!
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Post by naruosaka on Mar 11, 2024 12:41:44 GMT -5
In the last one, Noel heard a song and said it was "suicide set to music".
He loved the sound of the guy.
The song really look like (the last albums) from David Bowie.
He said those kind of songs will be heard all over his next album.
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Post by paperbackwriter on Mar 13, 2024 11:54:27 GMT -5
In the last one, Noel heard a song and said it was "suicide set to music". He loved the sound of the guy. The song really look like (the last albums) from David Bowie. He said those kind of songs will be heard all over his next album. Suicide songs? |
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Post by oasisserbia on Mar 13, 2024 14:42:33 GMT -5
😬
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Mar 13, 2024 15:04:37 GMT -5
I don’t understand what’s going on. These are the tunes that Noel said he liked (aka, these are good songs?), or he liked one aspect? Cause these ain’t good songs
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 13, 2024 15:07:26 GMT -5
I don’t understand what’s going on. These are the tunes that Noel said he liked (aka, these are good songs?), or he liked one aspect? Cause these ain’t good songs You probably need to listen to the podcast the fully get what was going on. The tunes in the second podcast were of a lesser quality for sure. He more liked bits and pieces and was largely fair about people’s fledgling song writing abilities. I don’t think he was rushing out to sign any of them to Sour Mash. Jonny Gawne was just a laugh a minute though. |
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