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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 7:30:02 GMT -5
Well, I think the subject is understandably close to some people's hearts so have no problem with it being up for discussion. I think it would be upsetting to think he was mocking disabled people, but don't interpret his comments that way.
But yes, as I said upthread we all have different ways of seeing it so can agree with you there.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jul 5, 2022 9:13:47 GMT -5
I'd be interested to hear this interview!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 9:17:01 GMT -5
By mentioning those particular somewhat divise political figures you were certainly drawing a comparison. And you're wrong about AAA passes of the level that the second on the bill headliner at glasto would have.
And I used to be able to get anywhere at most gigs just by knowing the security staff if I didn't have the right pass...
They are popular figures defended unreasonably by their supporters. Just apply the same, you'll get it. My cousin worked at Glastonbury at the John Peel stage, on the Disabled Platform. She was posted at the bottom of the ramp and I'm pretty sure (although I will check) that carers or those giving assistance had to show that they were permitted to go up to the platform. In the same way you need a Blue Badge to park in Blue Badge bay. Its not complicated. Noel didn't know the security staff. He essentially intimidated staff to go somewhere he should have never have been in the first place. That's compounded by him and Matt Morgan talking about disabled people as if they're 15. "The sort of populist wank you’re likely to hear from Trump or Johnson supporters" is directly connecting the poster's opinion to being in favour of those people. Think about it, you'll get it.
'intimidated staff'. fucking hell, it gets worse... he's a monster!!!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 5, 2022 10:18:43 GMT -5
They are popular figures defended unreasonably by their supporters. Just apply the same, you'll get it. My cousin worked at Glastonbury at the John Peel stage, on the Disabled Platform. She was posted at the bottom of the ramp and I'm pretty sure (although I will check) that carers or those giving assistance had to show that they were permitted to go up to the platform. In the same way you need a Blue Badge to park in Blue Badge bay. Its not complicated. Noel didn't know the security staff. He essentially intimidated staff to go somewhere he should have never have been in the first place. That's compounded by him and Matt Morgan talking about disabled people as if they're 15. "The sort of populist wank you’re likely to hear from Trump or Johnson supporters" is directly connecting the poster's opinion to being in favour of those people. Think about it, you'll get it. 'intimidated staff'. fucking hell, it gets worse... he's a monster!!!
I’ve explained it, most seem to get it. Little value in going through it with you. No one said he’s monster, your knowledge of what might constitute intimidation seems limited. |
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jul 5, 2022 11:14:21 GMT -5
He also said he hoped Damon Albarn died of aids. Do you think he really meant it?They are now mates. He also said taking drugs is like a cup of tea. Two year ago when i watched him at Newcastle he called the fans in the crowd ‘geordie vaginas’ . I’m not going to tell people what they should or shouldn’t be offended by but what I will say is you are following the wrong band / singer/artist following the Gallagher brothers if you are easily offended. Noel apologized at length for that AIDS line and seems to have been genuinely remorseful. In my opinion that makes a pretty big difference. |
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Post by rebus on Jul 5, 2022 11:49:17 GMT -5
If you are offended by noel being arrogant you obviously haven’t been a fan of the Gallaghers long. People have loved them and hated them since the 90’s cos they ate arrogant. His comments were just tongue in cheek. It’s noel Gallagher , he’s just supported macca at glastonbury. He can sit or stand where he wants. Typical woke brigade response on here from people. That’s what i love about the Gallaghers they aren’t frightened to say controversial things. He was just having a laugh but you aren’t allowed to laugh at anything these days Thanks for your input, dad. |
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Post by megyesitomate on Jul 5, 2022 11:58:34 GMT -5
@/liamgallagher
"I’d like to apologise on behalf of my family about the little fellas recent remarks about people with disabilities SORRY were not all vaginas LG x"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 12:32:55 GMT -5
"The sort of populist wank you’re likely to hear from Trump or Johnson supporters" is directly connecting the poster's opinion to being in favour of those people. Think about it, you'll get it. 'intimidated staff'. fucking hell, it gets worse... he's a monster!!!
I’ve explained it, most seem to get it. Little value in going through it with you. No one said he’s monster, your knowledge of what might constitute intimidation seems limited. your vaguely passive aggressive ad hominem posts are boring and show a lack of being able to discuss or argue a point with any value. I'll leave it here. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 5, 2022 13:02:17 GMT -5
I’ve explained it, most seem to get it. Little value in going through it with you. No one said he’s monster, your knowledge of what might constitute intimidation seems limited. your vaguely passive aggressive ad hominem posts are boring and show a lack of being able to discuss or argue a point with any value. I'll leave it here. A well known celebrity waving a pass in your face and saying ‘See that pass mate? It gets me any f***ing where.” would not potentially intimidate a member of staff? |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jul 5, 2022 13:14:37 GMT -5
For what it's worth when I went to see NGHFB at Bristol Sounds a few weeks back, a mate of mine had an AAA pass and the security staff led him and his group to... the disabled platform at the back where they and all the other "guests" watched the entire gig.
Obviously this was going to be blown out of proportion. I haven't heard the podcast yet but every episode I have heard so far contains bits which if taken literally in text look appalling but in the humourous context of the show is just part of Noel and Matt's humour. I get the sense that a key part to the humour they share is saying completely over the top things and what makes them funny for them is the fact of them being over the top.
Liam getting involved is beyond pathetic.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 5, 2022 13:30:19 GMT -5
For what it's worth when I went to see NGHFB at Bristol Sounds a few weeks back, a mate of mine had an AAA pass and the security staff led him and his group to... the disabled platform at the back where they and all the other "guests" watched the entire gig. Obviously this was going to be blown out of proportion. I haven't heard the podcast yet but every episode I have heard so far contains bits which if taken literally in text look appalling but in the humourous context of the show is just part of Noel and Matt's humour. I get the sense that a key part to the humour they share is saying completely over the top things and what makes them funny for them is the fact of them being over the top. Liam getting involved is beyond pathetic. Liam being involved is totally unnecessary but you can’t call him pathetic while absolving Noel on an issue where you haven’t even listened to the conversation. I have, the audio didn’t sound any better. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 5, 2022 13:30:42 GMT -5
To me this is as bad as Noel wishing Aids on the Blur singer whether he said sorry for that or not he should never have said it and the same goes for his disgusting disabled people comments. Next time Noel keep your shit and stupid comments to yourself.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 5, 2022 13:31:21 GMT -5
So……..we thinking “Pretty Boy” is the first singlet off album 4?
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jul 5, 2022 14:00:36 GMT -5
Guys, don't ever watch a Richard Gervais show. You would die on the spot.
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Post by theone on Jul 5, 2022 15:11:50 GMT -5
Guys, don't ever watch a Richard Gervais show. You would die on the spot. I get the "I'd like to speak to your manager" vibe from some users. Someone mentioned something about laughing at someone's expense. Geez forget about comedy in general not just Ricky. At the end of the day who cares. If your offended by it, that's ok and if not that's ok too. If I thought Noel was serious I'd never listen to anything he did again. |
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Post by paperbackwriter on Jul 5, 2022 15:25:02 GMT -5
If you are offended by noel being arrogant you obviously haven’t been a fan of the Gallaghers long. People have loved them and hated them since the 90’s cos they ate arrogant. His comments were just tongue in cheek. It’s noel Gallagher , he’s just supported macca at glastonbury. He can sit or stand where he wants. Typical woke brigade response on here from people. That’s what i love about the Gallaghers they aren’t frightened to say controversial things. He was just having a laugh but you aren’t allowed to laugh at anything these days You'll think anything to convince yourself Noel is a decent person. If this was anybody esse, I bet you'd be slagging them off |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 5, 2022 16:14:43 GMT -5
Guys, don't ever watch a Richard Gervais show. You would die on the spot. Do you think it’s a good thing that race tends to be a much rarer subject made light of these days by comedians? |
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Post by Rolo on Jul 5, 2022 16:30:02 GMT -5
Poor from Noel. I think to claim it's "just a joke" is completely insensitive as people who don't know or know of someone who is disabled will never truly get it. To try and make judgement without any knowledge on the subject is ridiculous.
Don't get all the Gervais comparisons though, it's a completely different field. We should all be more like Mr K Dilkington.
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Post by blkc on Jul 5, 2022 17:06:54 GMT -5
Poor from Noel. I think to claim it's "just a joke" is completely insensitive as people who don't know or know of someone who is disabled will never truly get it. To try and make judgement without any knowledge on the subject is ridiculous. Don't get all the Gervais comparisons though, it's a completely different field. We should all be more like Mr K Dilkington. One could answer to you that all the definitive judgements made here about if it is a joke or not, acceptable or not etc... are all based on... interpretation. Without no real knowledge of his intention, real thoughts etc... Jokes doesn't work for everyone. Some like very dark jokes, some don't. Some like to say things over the top without really meaning it. Some don't like that. And all are right, it's completely subjective. It's extremely pretentious to think you are able to say what is an acceptable joke or not. It's just an opinion. Also, disabled people usually don't mind that much jokes that some consider "insensitive". It's usually people who aren't directly concerned that are the most "offended". I know disabled people, and they would never react like this for such a little nothing. If he really mean bad things, I'm sure the people really concerned will speak for themselves. And reading what he said, I'm pretty sure they just don't care at all and didn't fall for it. Being disabled doesn't mean you need people to speak in your name, or in your place. And they don't need to be told what should offend them or not. Some may dislike, but it's up to them to say, not people on the internet. Honestly, even out of context, it's pretty obvious that he isn't serious at all. It's the typical case of the comment taken out to make views, create emotions and all that. And it worked perfectly, so all this nonsense, is only a way for some "journalists" to make money. They're the only winners here, and they REALLY don't give a fuck about disabled people. Don't like the jokes ? Fine. Think it's bad taste ? Fine too. But to turn this into such a big mess is really pure nonsense. I get some don't like Noel. But it really became ridiculous at this point to picture him like this. Especially considering that most people know how a big part of the "press" works, and how honest and relevant they are. Because he is joking. No doubt at all about it. How can one really think he's serious saying he would take the chair of a disabled kid for his sons ? Really ? I get you may dislike the guy, but this is just insane. PS Also loved the fact that many here (not aiming at you) completely refuse to aknowledge the part where he's clearly stating that he didn't know the place was made for disabled people at first and realized it then. To turn this into : Mean Noel forces his way into an area made for disabled people, by intimidating security guards (lmao), then said terrible things about them because he's evil. Did he ? He just did what he probably do at any festival, going anywhere because he can with is pass. This is madness really. |
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jul 5, 2022 17:14:19 GMT -5
Poor from Noel. I think to claim it's "just a joke" is completely insensitive as people who don't know or know of someone who is disabled will never truly get it. To try and make judgement without any knowledge on the subject is ridiculous. Don't get all the Gervais comparisons though, it's a completely different field. We should all be more like Mr K Dilkington. Also, disabled people usually don't mind that much jokes that some consider "insensitive". It's usually people who aren't directly concerned that are the most "offended". I know disabled people, and they would never react like this for such a little nothing. If he really mean bad things, I'm sure the people really concerned will speak for themselves. And reading what he said, I'm pretty sure they just don't care at all and didn't fall for it. Being disabled doesn't mean you need people to speak in your name, or in their place. Some may dislike, but it's up to them to say, not people on the internet. Um, do you not realize there's at least one disabled person in this thread who has expressed their unhappiness with Noel's remarks? Do you think disabled people don't use the internet?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 17:15:42 GMT -5
For what it's worth when I went to see NGHFB at Bristol Sounds a few weeks back, a mate of mine had an AAA pass and the security staff led him and his group to... the disabled platform at the back where they and all the other "guests" watched the entire gig. Obviously this was going to be blown out of proportion. I haven't heard the podcast yet but every episode I have heard so far contains bits which if taken literally in text look appalling but in the humourous context of the show is just part of Noel and Matt's humour. I get the sense that a key part to the humour they share is saying completely over the top things and what makes them funny for them is the fact of them being over the top. Liam getting involved is beyond pathetic.
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Post by blkc on Jul 5, 2022 17:24:12 GMT -5
Also, disabled people usually don't mind that much jokes that some consider "insensitive". It's usually people who aren't directly concerned that are the most "offended". I know disabled people, and they would never react like this for such a little nothing. If he really mean bad things, I'm sure the people really concerned will speak for themselves. And reading what he said, I'm pretty sure they just don't care at all and didn't fall for it. Being disabled doesn't mean you need people to speak in your name, or in their place. Some may dislike, but it's up to them to say, not people on the internet. Um, do you not realize there's at least one disabled person in this thread who has expressed their unhappiness with Noel's remarks? Do you think disabled people don't use the internet?? Of course.  I said some may dislike. Of course disabled people aren't a category, and they don't all think the same way. Most of the people here aren't, we both know that, I was refering to them. Also sorry, but one disabled people isn't representative of all of them. Just because one dislike, doesn't mean they all do. The person you refer to as all the right to think what she wants, and I totally respect that she dislikes. But to say that disabled people in general should be offended, just too easy. I insist, many can take a joke and would never fall for something that is drive out of proportion and sense like this. As I said, all are right, those who like and those who don't. It's subjective. I don't have a definitive truth, nobody does. Except that it definitely obvious that he's joking and that it's nonsense to take this seriously.  (And please tell me I don't have to explain that "internet people" was a generic way to speak about people who were speaking without really being concerned. Maybe it wasn't clear so sorry for that, but do you really believe that I think that disabled people don't use internet ? Come on...) |
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Post by Sadie on Jul 5, 2022 17:29:58 GMT -5
Poor from Noel. I think to claim it's "just a joke" is completely insensitive as people who don't know or know of someone who is disabled will never truly get it. To try and make judgement without any knowledge on the subject is ridiculous. Don't get all the Gervais comparisons though, it's a completely different field. We should all be more like Mr K Dilkington. One could answer to you that all the definitive judgements made here about if it is a joke or not, acceptable or not etc... are all based on... interpretation. Without no real knowledge of his intention, real thoughts etc... Jokes doesn't work for everyone. Some like very dark jokes, some don't. Some like to say things over the top without really meaning it. Some don't like that. And all are right, it's completely subjective. It's extremely pretentious to think you are able to say what is an acceptable joke or not. It's just an opinion. Also, disabled people usually don't mind that much jokes that some consider "insensitive". It's usually people who aren't directly concerned that are the most "offended". I know disabled people, and they would never react like this for such a little nothing. If he really mean bad things, I'm sure the people really concerned will speak for themselves. And reading what he said, I'm pretty sure they just don't care at all and didn't fall for it. Being disabled doesn't mean you need people to speak in your name, or in your place. And they don't need to be told what should offend them or not. Some may dislike, but it's up to them to say, not people on the internet. Honestly, even out of context, it's pretty obvious that he isn't serious at all. It's the typical case of the comment taken out to make views, create emotions and all that. And it worked perfectly, so all this nonsense, is only a way for some "journalists" to make money. They're the only winners here, and they REALLY don't give a fuck about disabled people. Don't like the jokes ? Fine. Think it's bad taste ? Fine too. But to turn this into such a big mess is really pure nonsense. I get some don't like Noel. But it really became ridiculous at this point to picture him like this. Especially considering that most people know how a big part of the "press" works, and how honest and relevant they are. Because he is joking. No doubt at all about it. How can one really think he's serious saying he would take the chair of a disabled kid for his sons ? Really ? I get you may dislike the guy, but this is just insane. PS Also loved the fact that many here (not aiming at you) completely refuse to aknowledge the part where he's clearly stating that he didn't know the place was made for disabled people at first and realized it then. To turn this into : Mean Noel forces his way into an area made for disabled people, by intimidating security guards (lmao), then said terrible things about them because he's evil. Did he ? He just did what he probably do at any festival, going anywhere because he can with is pass. This is madness really. You cannot tell me that he genuinely didn't know it was the disabled platform. Yes, he said it at one point, but he blatantly contradicted himself mere minutes earlier and like I've pointed out many times it's really not that hard to spot the disabled platform for obvious reasons. Once again, having an AAA pass does not give him the right to go onto a platform that is clearly not designed for him. Ok, maybe *technically* it does, but not morally. Try to think of it like this: imagine being forced to sit on a platform at the back of a massive field with a potentially restricted view, only to have that view ruined by drunk able-bodied people who probably didn't sit down either. That means the view of virtually everyone on the platform would be even further obstructed, possibly to the point where some people can see absolutely nothing, completely taking away from the experience. That platform is designed to be a space for disabled people and disabled people only, you can use all the excuses you want but going into that space unwarranted (complete with a group of friends) just shows a blatant lack of regard for the experience of people there. It's not his place to be there, simple as that and it's hard enough sometimes not to feel like a second-class citizen when your needs are completely ignored at events like this but to see that space being taken over by people who don't need it is just the nail in the coffin. And no, please don't think about bringing comedy into this. I even find Little Britain funny ffs and will happily laugh at the Andy & Lou sketches but the thing is this is a real-world event with real repercussions and it's not a 'joke' because those remarks get thrown at us day after day and I can assure you many people don't find them funny. If some disabled people do then fair enough, but many people don't and I'm one of those. 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Post by blkc on Jul 5, 2022 17:41:33 GMT -5
You cannot tell me that he genuinely didn't know it was the disabled platform. Yes, he said it at one point, but he blatantly contradicted himself mere minutes earlier and like I've pointed out many times it's really not that hard to spot the disabled platform for obvious reasons. Once again, having an AAA pass does not give him the right to go onto a platform that is clearly not designed for him. Ok, maybe *technically* it does, but not morally. Try to think of it like this: imagine being forced to sit on a platform at the back of a massive field with a potentially restricted view, only to have that view ruined by drunk able-bodied people who probably didn't sit down either. That means the view of virtually everyone on the platform would be even further obstructed, possibly to the point where some people can see absolutely nothing, completely taking away from the experience. That platform is designed to be a space for disabled people and disabled people only, you can use all the excuses you want but going into that space unwarranted (complete with a group of friends) just shows a blatant lack of regard for the experience of people there. It's not his place to be there, simple as that and it's hard enough sometimes not to feel like a second-class citizen when your needs are completely ignored at events like this but to see that space being taken over by people who don't need it is just the nail in the coffin. And no, please don't think about bringing comedy into this. I even find Little Britain funny ffs and will happily laugh at the Andy & Lou sketches but the thing is this is a real-world event with real repercussions and it's not a 'joke' because those remarks get thrown at us day after day and I can assure you many people don't find them funny. If some disabled people do then fair enough, but many people don't and I'm one of those I didn't say it took him long to realize... And what I was saying was: He's used to go anywhere he wants in festivals, I really don't think at all he thought about it, with family and friends, having a good time and all that. How can one believe that he suddenly thought "Hey let's go in the disabled area, to annoy people and show them I can". That's just nonsense again... Maybe I'm wrong, but there's nothing that allow to say he wanted anything wrong in the first place. Except that some people REALLY want to spread shit over him, no matter what. Also if he really did act like a dick, annoying or blocking the view for some people, I would totally aggree with you that it's unnaceptable. But on what factual thing is this based ? It would mean that all his family and friends are stupid, and they wouldn't realize things like that... But where does that come from ? I just don't believe that he would stand in the way of people in weelchair or whatever and just don't mind annoying them. It was not a good thing to go there, don't deny that but don't believe he gave it that much thought on the moment, that's all. And to turn this into something made against disabled people is nonsense. So blaming it for going there, no problem. But the rest is going out of proportion. Also, joking about it is basically what he would do about any subject. And he always behaved like this. It wasn't aiming at disabled people at all. But clearly mocking those who made this "story" out of proportion. Somebody mentioned Ricky Gervais, and it relates to something he said. What is important to identify in a joke, is the intent and target. When he says I take the weelchair of a kid for my sons, he isn't at all aiming at the kid or his disability. He's clearly saying in response to the news etc, and clearly not in first degree : "I'm a terrible person that would turn against a kid in a weelchair, of course I am" And it's obiviously derision, clearly aiming at all the crazy things that were made up out of this "story". He definitely plays the dickhead yes ! On purpose and that's obvious. I can't remember in what, but Ricky Gervais talks very well about "being offended" and the misunderstandings that comes when the target of the joke isn't well identified. And that's the issue here. He just isn't aiming at disabled people. Again, I said that those who like AND those who dislike are right. But he was clearly joking and wasn't serious for a second. You have all the rights to think it's a bad joke, and I respect that. But he wasn't serious at all and that's just cristal clear. Jokes are subjective, your opinion is fine, but it's not the truth. As you can see some here think like me. Others thinks like you. Again, all are right, it depends of the person, his life, his sense of humour, his sensibility etc... There's probably jokes about other subjects that you would find funny, and that others would find unnaceptable. Some make really good jokes about Shoah, Nazis etc... without disrepecting anyone. But some think that the subject is unnaceptable. The same debate can go on and on, about almost anything. Racism, Weight, Diseases, War, Kids etc... I don't mind if you don't like it really, I give the same value to your opinion and to mine about the jokes, and just can't say that I'm right, and can't say that you're wrong. One last time, when it comes to jokes, no definitive TRUTH. |
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Post by matt on Jul 5, 2022 17:56:54 GMT -5
Unfortunately for Noel, when you hang around with Tory scum and journalists from the Scum, and pally with the likes of Evgeny Lebedev and other Conservative establishment squares, then your judgement is going to be skewed.
I mean, just take a look at that cabal. Rock n roll star, you're having a fucking laugh.
If Morrissey is now the Nigel Farage of rock, Noel's turned into the David Walliams of rock.
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