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Post by The Escapist on Jul 4, 2022 15:25:47 GMT -5
Any use of "these days" or "nowadays" when making a point about a social issue almost invariably means the point being made turns out to be utter bollocks, in my experience. Handy little guideline. Of course, any unironic mention of "woke brigade" has a 100%-hit-rate of the point being braindead compost, but that much is obvious. It's a shame these types don't say "soy-boy" anymore, which at least gave you a chuckle as you ignored them.
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Post by walkersafc on Jul 4, 2022 16:08:57 GMT -5
He also said he hoped Damon Albarn died of aids. Do you think he really meant it?They are now mates. He also said taking drugs is like a cup of tea. Two year ago when i watched him at Newcastle he called the fans in the crowd ‘geordie vaginas’ . I’m not going to tell people what they should or shouldn’t be offended by but what I will say is you are following the wrong band / singer/artist following the Gallagher brothers if you are easily offended.
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Post by Sadie on Jul 4, 2022 16:15:13 GMT -5
He also said he hoped Damon Albarn died of aids. Do you think he really meant it?They are now mates. He also said taking drugs is like a cup of tea. Two year ago when i watched him at Newcastle he called the fans in the crowd ‘geordie vaginas’ . I’m not going to tell people what they should or shouldn’t be offended by but what I will say is you are following the wrong band / singer/artist following the Gallagher brothers if you are easily offended. This is very, very different and if you really can't see that then I think you're being willfully ignorant of the real issue at hand here. For the record I've defended Noel on multiple occasions over the years and yes ok I'm a new-ish fan (I got into Oasis in 2015) but that's more than enough time to know that he's arrogant. This is not arrogance though, it's punching down and I won't stand for it |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 4, 2022 16:22:46 GMT -5
He also said he hoped Damon Albarn died of aids. Do you think he really meant it?They are now mates. He also said taking drugs is like a cup of tea. Two year ago when i watched him at Newcastle he called the fans in the crowd ‘geordie vaginas’ . I’m not going to tell people what they should or shouldn’t be offended by but what I will say is you are following the wrong band / singer/artist following the Gallagher brothers if you are easily offended. It’s not being arrogant, but beIng a d**k. Disrespect towards his fellow people. |
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Post by matt on Jul 4, 2022 16:45:43 GMT -5
Anyone who can boil down common decency and nuanced analysis of why something is unacceptable to just one word in 'woke' is a certified idiot.
These airheaded simpletons would summarise an analysis and dissertation on the political career of Abraham Lincoln in ending slavery to just 'woke bloke'. In crayon obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 17:33:57 GMT -5
If you are offended by noel being arrogant you obviously haven’t been a fan of the Gallaghers long. People have loved them and hated them since the 90’s cos they ate arrogant. His comments were just tongue in cheek. It’s noel Gallagher , he’s just supported macca at glastonbury. He can sit or stand where he wants. Typical woke brigade response on here from people. That’s what i love about the Gallaghers they aren’t frightened to say controversial things. He was just having a laugh but you aren’t allowed to laugh at anything these days Woeful opinion. The sort of populist wank you’re likely to hear from Trump or Johnson supporters. how ridiculous to equate that with a political affliliation of any kind.
An AAA pass is access ALL areas, so it's pretty correct to say a holder of such pass can stand/go where they want. It's also correct to say Noel has been 'controversial' since day 1 (remember blur/AIDs?).
It's also true to say he was having a laugh. I very much doubt that if any disabled person wanted/needed to be where Noel was he would have taken the space instead.
has anyone here ever seen a ricky gervais show?
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 4, 2022 17:41:36 GMT -5
Woeful opinion. The sort of populist wank you’re likely to hear from Trump or Johnson supporters. how ridiculous to equate that with a political affliliation of any kind.
An AAA pass is access ALL areas, so it's pretty correct to say a holder of such pass can stand/go where they want. It's also correct to say Noel has been 'controversial' since day 1 (remember blur/AIDs?).
It's also true to say he was having a laugh. I very much doubt that if any disabled person wanted/needed to be where Noel was he would have taken the space instead.
has anyone here ever seen a ricky gervais show?
I know you're trying to think of an experience just as awful as being disabled can be, but there's no need to threaten us with Ricky Gervais. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 4, 2022 17:43:46 GMT -5
Woeful opinion. The sort of populist wank you’re likely to hear from Trump or Johnson supporters. how ridiculous to equate that with a political affliliation of any kind.
An AAA pass is access ALL areas, so it's pretty correct to say a holder of such pass can stand/go where they want. It's also correct to say Noel has been 'controversial' since day 1 (remember blur/AIDs?). It's also true to say he was having a laugh. I very much doubt that if any disabled person wanted/needed to be where Noel was he would have taken the space instead. has anyone here ever seen a ricky gervais show?
I’m not equating it to political affiliation but to defending people because of who they are rather than what they do. And you’re wrong about the AAA passes. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 4, 2022 18:25:44 GMT -5
If you are offended by noel being arrogant you obviously haven’t been a fan of the Gallaghers long. People have loved them and hated them since the 90’s cos they ate arrogant. His comments were just tongue in cheek. It’s noel Gallagher , he’s just supported macca at glastonbury. He can sit or stand where he wants. Typical woke brigade response on here from people. That’s what i love about the Gallaghers they aren’t frightened to say controversial things. He was just having a laugh but you aren’t allowed to laugh at anything these days That's a load of rubbish as I have been an Oasis fan since the 90s which is a long time. But Noel just isn't funny at all in this case and there's nothing clever with what he said. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 4, 2022 19:06:07 GMT -5
He also said he hoped Damon Albarn died of aids. Do you think he really meant it?They are now mates. He also said taking drugs is like a cup of tea. Two year ago when i watched him at Newcastle he called the fans in the crowd ‘geordie vaginas’ . I’m not going to tell people what they should or shouldn’t be offended by but what I will say is you are following the wrong band / singer/artist following the Gallagher brothers if you are easily offended. Fortunately, you don’t own Oasis—not even Noel does. Everyone can accept that people they love are sometimes flawed, and sometimes even moronic, or they don’t get too far in life. This is not some political or cultural stand that Noel is making nor is it an escalating Brit Pop feud. He simply said something that he quite possibly didn’t realize was utterly demeaning to people, including some of his fans.
That doesn’t make him irredeemable or mean that everyone who’s upset about what he said can’t ever listen to Oasis again. But you know what? Just learn from it is all people are saying. Be better. You can still be an arrogant **** when it comes to promoting your music and have all the fun you want with it. Just take a step back and maybe try to see this situation from someone else's POV. Noel has also said in the past he's about love, so be about love. What’s the argument against that?
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jul 4, 2022 19:55:57 GMT -5
He also said he hoped Damon Albarn died of aids. Do you think he really meant it?They are now mates. He also said taking drugs is like a cup of tea. Two year ago when i watched him at Newcastle he called the fans in the crowd ‘geordie vaginas’ . I’m not going to tell people what they should or shouldn’t be offended by but what I will say is you are following the wrong band / singer/artist following the Gallagher brothers if you are easily offended. Fortunately, you don’t own Oasis—not even Noel does. Everyone can accept that people they love are sometimes flawed, and sometimes even moronic, or they don’t get too far in life. This is not some political or cultural stand that Noel is making nor is it an escalating Brit Pop feud. He simply said something that he quite possibly didn’t realize was utterly demeaning to people, including some of his fans. That doesn’t make him irredeemable or mean that everyone who’s upset about what he said can’t ever listen to Oasis again. But you know what? Just learn from it is all people are saying. Be better. You can still be an arrogant **** when it comes to promoting your music and have all the fun you want with it. Just take a step back and maybe try to see this situation from someone else's POV. Noel has also said in the past he's about love, so be about love. What’s the argument against that?
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Post by Sadie on Jul 4, 2022 20:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 4, 2022 21:31:20 GMT -5
Fortunately, you don’t own Oasis—not even Noel does. Everyone can accept that people they love are sometimes flawed, and sometimes even moronic, or they don’t get too far in life. This is not some political or cultural stand that Noel is making nor is it an escalating Brit Pop feud. He simply said something that he quite possibly didn’t realize was utterly demeaning to people, including some of his fans. That doesn’t make him irredeemable or mean that everyone who’s upset about what he said can’t ever listen to Oasis again. But you know what? Just learn from it is all people are saying. Be better. You can still be an arrogant **** when it comes to promoting your music and have all the fun you want with it. Just take a step back and maybe try to see this situation from someone else's POV. Noel has also said in the past he's about love, so be about love. What’s the argument against that?
What do you mean he doesn’t own Oasis?
Obviously don't mean legal rights to the songs. I mean that no one owns the significance of Oasis.
No one can dictate what different Oasis fans might think about any subject (including about Oasis itself) and no one can say who should or shouldn’t be a fan.
Certainly not walkersafc but also not Noel and not Liam.
Oasis is something larger than that, thankfully. The music might reach me for one reason and you for another but it has somehow reached all of us here, which is part of the beauty of something that can go beyond languages, nationality and background. And even if there is a kind of cliché version of who an Oasis fan is, or a certain kind of class or cultural identity associated with the band, in actual fact, if you look even around this forum, you’ll see all kinds of people who break that idea.
There is no ownership of what you put out into the world as a creative person. I have experienced this very thing in my own very small way. And that's how it feels to me. It takes on a life of its own that you have no control over and no say in, which is fantastic.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 4, 2022 21:33:39 GMT -5
Interesting to read the comments to that thread!
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Post by theone on Jul 4, 2022 22:22:33 GMT -5
The comment wasn't a big deal. It wasn't really funny time to move on.
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Post by LightsOffInside on Jul 5, 2022 2:59:33 GMT -5
Even if we all agree he was wrong, it’s not a “cancelable” offence like much of twitter seem to think (then again they’d “cancel” someone for sneezing in the wrong direction so I guess twitter isn’t in a good place to decide).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 3:14:38 GMT -5
I feel like the butt of the joke was Noel, not disabled people. But I get we all see things differently and draw the line in different places.
I've only been back on the Patreon since yesterday. Have also listened to another recent Noel one where, off the top of my head, Matt jokes about child sexual abuse and Noel uses the eye-wateringly misogynistic phrase 'gaping chasm of a minge' which I've not seen anyone complain about.
I guess it's the combination of him having stood on the platform and then made the joke that makes this stand out? Or are the other 2 topics more acceptable to joke about? I guess we all have different boundaries etc.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 5, 2022 5:25:30 GMT -5
I feel like the butt of the joke was Noel, not disabled people. But I get we all see things differently and draw the line in different places. I've only been back on the Patreon since yesterday. Have also listened to another recent Noel one where, off the top of my head, Matt jokes about child sexual abuse and Noel uses the eye-wateringly misogynistic phrase 'gaping chasm of a minge' which I've not seen anyone complain about. I guess it's the combination of him having stood on the platform and then made the joke that makes this stand out? Or are the other 2 topics more acceptable to joke about? I guess we all have different boundaries etc. How was Noel the butt of that joke in that conversation? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 6:15:34 GMT -5
I feel like the butt of the joke was Noel, not disabled people. But I get we all see things differently and draw the line in different places. I've only been back on the Patreon since yesterday. Have also listened to another recent Noel one where, off the top of my head, Matt jokes about child sexual abuse and Noel uses the eye-wateringly misogynistic phrase 'gaping chasm of a minge' which I've not seen anyone complain about. I guess it's the combination of him having stood on the platform and then made the joke that makes this stand out? Or are the other 2 topics more acceptable to joke about? I guess we all have different boundaries etc. How was Noel the butt of that joke in that conversation? They're portraying him as a pompous, deluded wanker. 'I bet you were up there absolutely battered going *does comedy wanker's voice*' etc ... They're sending up a caricature of him. I get some people thinking it shouldn't be the topic of humour in the first place. I get some people thinking he's making light of what he did and his actions were wrong. But I don't think either of them were genuinely making fun of disabled people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 6:23:40 GMT -5
how ridiculous to equate that with a political affliliation of any kind.
An AAA pass is access ALL areas, so it's pretty correct to say a holder of such pass can stand/go where they want. It's also correct to say Noel has been 'controversial' since day 1 (remember blur/AIDs?).
It's also true to say he was having a laugh. I very much doubt that if any disabled person wanted/needed to be where Noel was he would have taken the space instead.
has anyone here ever seen a ricky gervais show?
I know you're trying to think of an experience just as awful as being disabled can be, but there's no need to threaten us with Ricky Gervais.
I'm not trying to be rude in anyway way either and I don't take issues like this lightly - my elder brother lived a life of severe disability that impacted his own life greatly and that of the whole of our family - but he was never someone who couldn't distinguish a joke from an insult.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 6:28:09 GMT -5
how ridiculous to equate that with a political affliliation of any kind.
An AAA pass is access ALL areas, so it's pretty correct to say a holder of such pass can stand/go where they want. It's also correct to say Noel has been 'controversial' since day 1 (remember blur/AIDs?). It's also true to say he was having a laugh. I very much doubt that if any disabled person wanted/needed to be where Noel was he would have taken the space instead. has anyone here ever seen a ricky gervais show?
I’m not equating it to political affiliation but to defending people because of who they are rather than what they do. And you’re wrong about the AAA passes.
By mentioning those particular somewhat divise political figures you were certainly drawing a comparison.
And you're wrong about AAA passes of the level that the second on the bill headliner at glasto would have.
And I used to be able to get anywhere at most gigs just by knowing the security staff if I didn't have the right pass...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 5, 2022 6:44:20 GMT -5
I’m not equating it to political affiliation but to defending people because of who they are rather than what they do. And you’re wrong about the AAA passes. By mentioning those particular somewhat divise political figures you were certainly drawing a comparison. And you're wrong about AAA passes of the level that the second on the bill headliner at glasto would have.
And I used to be able to get anywhere at most gigs just by knowing the security staff if I didn't have the right pass...
They are popular figures defended unreasonably by their supporters. Just apply the same, you'll get it. My cousin worked at Glastonbury at the John Peel stage, on the Disabled Platform. She was posted at the bottom of the ramp and I'm pretty sure (although I will check) that carers or those giving assistance had to show that they were permitted to go up to the platform. In the same way you need a Blue Badge to park in Blue Badge bay. Its not complicated. Noel didn't know the security staff. He essentially intimidated staff to go somewhere he should have never have been in the first place. That's compounded by him and Matt Morgan talking about disabled people as if they're 15. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 5, 2022 6:47:30 GMT -5
How was Noel the butt of that joke in that conversation? They're portraying him as a pompous, deluded wanker. 'I bet you were up there absolutely battered going *does comedy wanker's voice*' etc ... They're sending up a caricature of him. I get some people thinking it shouldn't be the topic of humour in the first place. I get some people thinking he's making light of what he did and his actions were wrong. But I don't think either of them were genuinely making fun of disabled people. He is a pompous, deluded wanker. But for that to be funny he would have to laughing at himself, sending himself up for being those things. He isn't, he's essentially bragging. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 7:04:57 GMT -5
They're portraying him as a pompous, deluded wanker. 'I bet you were up there absolutely battered going *does comedy wanker's voice*' etc ... They're sending up a caricature of him. I get some people thinking it shouldn't be the topic of humour in the first place. I get some people thinking he's making light of what he did and his actions were wrong. But I don't think either of them were genuinely making fun of disabled people. He is a pompous, deluded wanker. But for that to be funny he would have to laughing at himself, sending himself up for being those things. He isn't, he's essentially bragging. Why does he do a funny little voice if he's not laughing at himself? |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jul 5, 2022 7:21:33 GMT -5
The whole funny/not funny, offensive/not offensive thing is beyond tiresome. It's all subjective and saying otherwise is dumb. Google 'Benign Violation Theory' and move on.
Should Noel and his friends have been in the disabled area (even if Noel does have an AAA pass)? Absolutely not. He should know better. Should he have apologised for it? Definitely. Beyond this I see little else to debate.
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