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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2021 14:46:42 GMT -5
So Slow actually still exists? Legend became myth I assumed as (a) it was never mentioned outside of the timeline you gave, (b) had possibly become another song we know in that time and (c) I thought he was nonplussed when asked about a song called Slow a few years back. I never personally doubted that it exists because of that Q magazine article. Matt specifically asked Noel if “Slow” morphed into another song or was recorded under another title. Noel said nope, it still exists and never recorded. Who knows when we will even hear these 14 songs. He’s making an album right now (on pause because of lockdown) which seems totally separate from his 14 unreleased tracks. Apologies for the questions, but the 14 tracks, what's the significance of these and why are they significant to be part of their own project (is it some kind of Anthology thing?). And so surprised Slow still exists. I get that the mythology behind it has been built on the forums and mainly by what Owen Morris said about it, but that Noel has never considered it nor really spoken about it suggests that he doesn't think so highly of it. Interesting it has gone through so many albums without ever being considered (particularly Shoulder of Giants when Noel stated he started that album with 'nothing left' in terms of leftover songs). Which isn't a problem. I think other people are better judges of his songs than himself as we all know. He banged on about Stop The Clocks for what seemed like an eternity when in reality, it was only ever a decent song. Secondly, it was only Mike Rowe who raved about Dead In The Water - which I think is a masterclass Noel song - in an interview during Chasing Yesterday. Noel never mentioned it before it was released, and almost forgot about it before someone recommended it for the album. So hopefully Owen Morris's claims are true. Might be Noel's True Love Waits (at least we heard live versions of that I suppose). |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 21, 2021 14:56:44 GMT -5
I never personally doubted that it exists because of that Q magazine article. Matt specifically asked Noel if “Slow” morphed into another song or was recorded under another title. Noel said nope, it still exists and never recorded. Who knows when we will even hear these 14 songs. He’s making an album right now (on pause because of lockdown) which seems totally separate from his 14 unreleased tracks. Apologies for the questions, but the 14 tracks, what's the significance of these and why are they significant to be part of their own project (is it some kind of Anthology thing?). And so surprised Slow still exists. I get that the mythology behind it has been built on the forums and mainly by what Owen Morris said about it, but that Noel has never considered it nor really spoken about it suggests that he doesn't think so highly of it. Interesting it has gone through so many albums without ever being considered (particularly Shoulder of Giants when Noel stated he started that album with 'nothing left' in terms of leftover songs). Which isn't a problem. I think other people are better judges of his songs than himself as we all know. He banged on about Stop The Clocks for what seemed like an eternity when in reality, it was only ever a decent song. Secondly, it was only Mike Rowe who raved about Dead In The Water - which I think is a masterclass Noel song - in an interview during Chasing Yesterday. Noel never mentioned it before it was released, and almost forgot about it before someone recommended it for the album. So hopefully Owen Morris's claims are true. Might be Noel's True Love Waits (at least we heard live versions of that I suppose). He didn't specify, someone asked about Slow (they usually ask fans questions during these podcasts) and he said he knew the numbers of these unreleased songs (14) that never got recorded and kinda fell by the wayside because he went through them for a project that didn't happen, no idea if it was anything to do with Oasis or if he was looking for something else The way he put it it seems to me he just wants to clear the air out and was also kinda excited to get in the studio and get to them with his nowadays approach, it didn't seem more than a random idea to me, but maybe I'm wrong and he's actually planning a proper project |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 21, 2021 16:08:03 GMT -5
Apologies for the questions, but the 14 tracks, what's the significance of these and why are they significant to be part of their own project (is it some kind of Anthology thing?). And so surprised Slow still exists. I get that the mythology behind it has been built on the forums and mainly by what Owen Morris said about it, but that Noel has never considered it nor really spoken about it suggests that he doesn't think so highly of it. Interesting it has gone through so many albums without ever being considered (particularly Shoulder of Giants when Noel stated he started that album with 'nothing left' in terms of leftover songs). Which isn't a problem. I think other people are better judges of his songs than himself as we all know. He banged on about Stop The Clocks for what seemed like an eternity when in reality, it was only ever a decent song. Secondly, it was only Mike Rowe who raved about Dead In The Water - which I think is a masterclass Noel song - in an interview during Chasing Yesterday. Noel never mentioned it before it was released, and almost forgot about it before someone recommended it for the album. So hopefully Owen Morris's claims are true. Might be Noel's True Love Waits (at least we heard live versions of that I suppose). He didn't specify, someone asked about Slow (they usually ask fans questions during these podcasts) and he said he knew the numbers of these unreleased songs (14) that never got recorded and kinda fell by the wayside because he went through them for a project that didn't happen, no idea if it was anything to do with Oasis or if he was looking for something else The way he put it it seems to me he just wants to clear the air out and was also kinda excited to get in the studio and get to them with his nowadays approach, it didn't seem more than a random idea to me, but maybe I'm wrong and he's actually planning a proper project I feel like from the sound of his voice he will record these songs. Maybe not all but a lot of them. Definitely Slow. Who knows. I’m not expecting this to happen for like another 2-3 years. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jan 21, 2021 18:09:23 GMT -5
It warms my soul knowing there are 14 unrecorded, unreleased Oasis tracks just sitting out there in the universe. A lot of my absolute favorite melodies of all time from Noel come from the sock drawer, the ones he just kinda forgot about or kept as soundchecks for years...
Just Let It Come Down Over Me
Dead in the Water
Sail On
Purple Parallelogram (yes!)
Let Forever Be
Don’t Stop
God Help Us All
....and so on...
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 21, 2021 18:17:00 GMT -5
He didn't specify, someone asked about Slow (they usually ask fans questions during these podcasts) and he said he knew the numbers of these unreleased songs (14) that never got recorded and kinda fell by the wayside because he went through them for a project that didn't happen, no idea if it was anything to do with Oasis or if he was looking for something else The way he put it it seems to me he just wants to clear the air out and was also kinda excited to get in the studio and get to them with his nowadays approach, it didn't seem more than a random idea to me, but maybe I'm wrong and he's actually planning a proper project I feel like from the sound of his voice he will record these songs. Maybe not all but a lot of them. Definitely Slow. Who knows. I’m not expecting this to happen for like another 2-3 years. I think in general having his own studio now may lead him to get more shit out instead of his usual "album out and then nothing else for the next three years" He sounded genuinely interested in having a go at them to me too, seemed really curious to see where his current approach can take some of the old stuff and he always says if he can still remember how songs go without writing them down it means they're good enough, he's never been one for throwing stuff away completely after all I just wouldn't expect a 14 songs collection to come out in the very next future |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 21, 2021 19:35:40 GMT -5
I think the amount of interest and plays for Don't Stop is bound to give them the hunger to release more under the Oasis name. It can only help further sales of all the merchandise and keep the Oasis name earning him that money. Even Noel will want to make up for earnings lost during all this.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 21, 2021 19:54:56 GMT -5
I think the amount of interest and plays for Don't Stop is bound to give them the hunger to release more under the Oasis name. It can only help further sales of all the merchandise and keep the Oasis name earning him that money. Even Noel will want to make up for earnings lost during all this. No way he'd release non Oasis recordings under the Oasis name Especially if they actually turn out any good There may be some other stuff like Don't Stop somewhere though, maybe one day it'll get out |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 22, 2021 4:10:45 GMT -5
It shouldn't come as a surprise that Noel wants to revisit old Oasis songs that never saw the light of day, he's been doing that constantly with the exception of Who Built the Moon. I do like the idea of putting them all together as one coherent album rather than putting a 20 year old song in the middle of a new album, but the Oasis name seems wrong unless Liam sings. Noel has shown himself more than willing to record, release and sing Oasis songs under the HFB name, so switching to Oasis now would be an obviously money driven move.
Anyway, if this is just an idea now, it's probably not happening ever and definitely not anytime soon. Which is fine, I'd prefer if he released the follow up to WBTM this year.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 22, 2021 5:28:00 GMT -5
Imagine if he lets Liam record vocals!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 22, 2021 5:36:04 GMT -5
Imagine if he lets Liam record vocals!  |
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Post by morning_rain on Jan 22, 2021 6:31:52 GMT -5
I'm really curious about that "project that didn't happen".
The only scenarios I can think of are:
- He saved those songs for a future Oasis album and now he knows it'll never happen.
- He planned to make an album like the first HFB but enterely with Oasis leftover songs.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 22, 2021 6:39:35 GMT -5
I'm really curious about that "project that didn't happen". The only scenarios I can think of are: - He saved those songs for a future Oasis album and now he knows it'll never happen. - He planned to make an album like the first HFB but enterely with Oasis leftover songs. I wonder if there was more to the WTSMG release or any other Oasis related project that got scrapped because of Covid, the way he said it makes it sound like a fairly recent thing |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2021 8:30:57 GMT -5
I remember the run up to SOTSOG in the fall of 1999. On those very early message boards and forums we all tried to come up with potential songs for the record. Slow was always included and it stayed that way for HC as well but then faded before DBTT as the song faded from memory. Even when referenced at a Q&A for DBTT Noel seemed to joke around about it even being a thing. Glad it’s legit. Glad it could be released? Will it be good? Who knows. Logic says if it was that good Noel would have used it years ago, especially when he had writers block at the beginning of the 2000s.
I don’t think Noel would release these songs under the Oasis name. We don’t even know how many of the 14 were even written while in Oasis. We only know that Noel said he’s got 14 songs he never recorded over the years.
I wonder whatever happened to Revival? We all assumed it morphed into The Hindu Times but I can’t remember if that was ever confirmed. Don’t Be Down and The Magic Can’t Be Right could be others but I doubt the latter. Seems like it was attempted during the DIV sessions or DBTT. Could have morphed into You Know We Can’t Go Back but that is pure speculation.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 22, 2021 9:22:24 GMT -5
I honestly don't get how somebody could understand he's releasing them under the Oasis name from his actual words
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Post by dadrocker on Jan 22, 2021 9:49:45 GMT -5
And with that I'm 14 all over again. Slow! And I agree, we need the truth on Revival. What about Daytona Dream Deferred or The Red, The White and The Blue? The latter turned into IHITIK, right?
Also wasn't there a sound called Definitely Maybe?
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Post by Loaded Silence on Jan 22, 2021 10:58:56 GMT -5
I'm really curious about that "project that didn't happen". The only scenarios I can think of are: - He saved those songs for a future Oasis album and now he knows it'll never happen. - He planned to make an album like the first HFB but enterely with Oasis leftover songs. Same here, it sounded recent to me... |
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Post by mossy on Jan 22, 2021 11:20:19 GMT -5
So Slow actually still exists? Legend became myth I assumed as (a) it was never mentioned outside of the timeline you gave, (b) had possibly become another song we know in that time and (c) I thought he was nonplussed when asked about a song called Slow a few years back. I never personally doubted that it exists because of that Q magazine article. Matt specifically asked Noel if “Slow” morphed into another song or was recorded under another title. Noel said nope, it still exists and never recorded. Who knows when we will even hear these 14 songs. He’s making an album right now (on pause because of lockdown) which seems totally separate from his 14 unreleased tracks. Noel is cracking open his archive to pad out his upcoming double alboom. X |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2021 11:43:04 GMT -5
And with that I'm 14 all over again. Slow! And I agree, we need the truth on Revival. What about Daytona Dream Deferred or The Red, The White and The Blue? The latter turned into IHITIK, right? Also wasn't there a sound called Definitely Maybe? Oh I forgot about The Red, The White and The Blue! Also heavy SOTSOG rumored track. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 22, 2021 12:23:37 GMT -5
I remember the run up to SOTSOG in the fall of 1999. On those very early message boards and forums we all tried to come up with potential songs for the record. Slow was always included and it stayed that way for HC as well but then faded before DBTT as the song faded from memory. Even when referenced at a Q&A for DBTT Noel seemed to joke around about it even being a thing. Glad it’s legit. Glad it could be released? Will it be good? Who knows. Logic says if it was that good Noel would have used it years ago, especially when he had writers block at the beginning of the 2000s. Funny how 'Slow' seemed to take off where other unreleased songs didn't. I agree that logic dictates that if it was strong it would've come out beforehand but the fact Noel is returning to it after all of this time is interesting and most surprising. Neither do I. It'd be stretching the bounds of what Oasis is but I'd give it a pass if packaged correctly. I've yet to hear the podcast but wouldn't be surprised if these 14 unrecorded songs had in fact been recorded in some format at some point. Is Noel suggesting he's just banked them in his head all this time? The assumption on Revival comes from this Noel quote: Based on that quote, others which describe the song and the timing of these quotes I'd say it's very plausible but not definitive.
Other officially unreleased Noel written songs post-Be Here Now include: - Slow [97] - God Will Never Save Your Soul [97] - For One So Young [98]* - Don't Be Down [02] - The Magic Can't Be Right [02] - Just Let It Come Down Over Me [DBTT era]** - Mile High Moon [09] - Oh Lord! [Post-DOYS]*** * Definitely demoed
** Definitely demoed. In public possession.
*** Definitely demoed. In public possession. Possibly written Post-Oasis. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 22, 2021 12:40:16 GMT -5
And with that I'm 14 all over again. Slow! And I agree, we need the truth on Revival. What about Daytona Dream Deferred or The Red, The White and The Blue? The latter turned into IHITIK, right? Also wasn't there a sound called Definitely Maybe? Oh I forgot about The Red, The White and The Blue! Also heavy SOTSOG rumored track. Owen Morris speculated that The Red, The White, The Blue became I Hope I Think I Know. It fits the chorus melody. He wasn’t 100% sure though. “Do you remember anything about the unreleased Oasis song The Red, White and blue? Any details would be great. It's mentioned briefly in Paolo Hewitt's book Getting High as being from around this period, but doesn't say if it was ever recorded.>I didn't record it.......but I hope I think I know......NG was unsure about the "I hope I think I know" up until the last (his alternate line was going to be O A S I S ......)....possibly red white and blue was an earlier option.........But I really don't know so don't take what I'm saying with any authority." X |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 22, 2021 12:45:09 GMT -5
I doubt Noel had all those songs unrecorded. Another nice story from old uncle Noel.
Like Come On Outside or Lock all the Doors, he just wants to record them with his new state of mind. But all those songs probably were recorded by Oasis back then. And he just wants to use them because why not, if they are good.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Jan 22, 2021 12:45:54 GMT -5
I thought For one so young was released as Untitled Demo on BHN Reissue?
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Post by andymorris on Jan 22, 2021 12:47:36 GMT -5
Other officially unreleased Noel written songs post-Be Here Now include: - Slow [97] - God Will Never Save Your Soul [97] - For One So Young [98]* - Don't Be Down [02] - The Magic Can't Be Right [02] - Just Let It Come Down Over Me [DBTT era]** - Mile High Moon [09] - Oh Lord! [Post-DOYS]*** * Definitely demoed
** Definitely demoed. In public possession.
*** Definitely demoed. In public possession. Possibly written Post-Oasis.I'd say all those post MG have been recorded in some form, rough demo or finished demo / rough tracks. That was the way to go for Noel and Andy/Gem when they joined. All Oasis demos from BHN onwards were basically alternate version and not just "demos". So there's hope many many Oasis songs are unreleased. |
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Post by mossy on Jan 22, 2021 12:59:35 GMT -5
I doubt Noel had all those songs unrecorded. Another nice story from old uncle Noel. Like Come On Outside or Lock all the Doors, he just wants to record them with his new state of mind. But all those songs probably were recorded by Oasis back then. And he just wants to use them because why not, if they are good. I agree. I haven’t heard the podcast so haven’t heard his exact words, but there’s no way these old songs weren’t recorded. They probably weren’t recorded in a proper studio, and they probably weren’t recorded with the rest of the band, but he’ll have a lo-fi tape of his own demo for sure. I can’t remember stuff I did last week never mind from twenty five years ago! X |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 22, 2021 13:01:16 GMT -5
I doubt Noel had all those songs unrecorded. Another nice story from old uncle Noel. Like Come On Outside or Lock all the Doors, he just wants to record them with his new state of mind. But all those songs probably were recorded by Oasis back then. And he just wants to use them because why not, if they are good. I agree. I haven’t heard the podcast so haven’t heard his exact words, but there’s no way these old songs weren’t recorded. They probably weren’t recorded in a proper studio, but he’ll have a tape of some sort. I can’t remember stuff I did last week never mind from twenty five years ago! X On the other hand, he apparently said that once he's written a song, he can find it again from memory only. Reconstruct it. This is true, it happens to me too. Although unlike Noel, no one wants to hear them  |
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