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Post by welshylad on Oct 30, 2022 11:36:26 GMT -5
My mrs had it twice, somehow i didnt catch it the first time I had it, didnt even know. No symptoms
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 30, 2022 12:49:32 GMT -5
The vaccine was never about preventing contraction or transmission 100%. It was about mitigating the problem and preventing it from becoming as widespread as it did. This was easily possible. Ignorant and selfish people made that fear become reality. Those who continue to refuse vaccines allow this virus to thrive and continue to kill.
In the US, we were initially told by multiple people in positions of power (even the president) that if you got the jab you could not contract or transmit Covid, so your statement about it never being about preventing contraction is false. Also, if it was “never about preventing contraction/transmission,” how would the jab prevent Covid becoming widespread, as you stated? And can you explain how it was “easily possible” to stop spread and that “those who refuse the vaccines allow the virus to thrive and continue to kill” when the companies that created it admit it does not have the ability to prevent getting/spreading Covid? Yes, just as they said masks didn't help and that Covid wasn't airborne. This is why you must not rely on arguments of authority, and instead look at the evidence. Critical thought is paramount.
"so your statement about it never being about preventing contraction is false Also, if it was “never about preventing contraction/transmission,” how would the jab prevent Covid becoming widespread, as you stated? "
WRONG. It DOES prevent contraction and transmission, just not completely. With a vaccine if you become infected, you will experience less symptoms. Less manifestation of symptoms, such as sneezing, means less likelihood to transmit to others. In addition to this, the vaccines do offer some protection against contraction. If it invades your body, you are more likely to fight it off without the infection spreading. If it does take hold, your body is equipped to beat it more quickly. All of this results in mitigation of contraction and transmission and much of it is dependent on the viral load incurred. If somebody sneezes in your face, your likelihood of contraction is much greater than if a few water viral containing water droplets are breathed into your lungs.
Honestly, how the fuck do you not know or understand this yet? We are nearly three years in. This ignorance is unacceptable.
"And can you explain how it was “easily possible” to stop spread and that “those who refuse the vaccines allow the virus to thrive and continue to kill” when the companies that created it admit it does not have the ability to prevent getting/spreading Covid?"
In the beginning, prior to the vaccine all that needed to be done was to abide by the procedures put in place. The lockdown, social distancing and masks would have been sufficient to control the outbreak if so many didn't go out of their way to outright ignore and avoid protocol. Millions of deaths would have been avoided if people made those small personal sacrifices of comfort. Further, once the vaccine was in circulation, if those on the conservative right just got the goddamn vaccine right away, it still could have saved millions of lives and maybe we'd be fully past the pandemic at this point. Failure to follow protocol led to enormous amounts of virus to mutate at rapid pace, which is why it took so long for the levels of infection to drop to where they currently are and even still, it's too high.
Spend 5 fucking minutes on reputable sources instead of right wing conspiracy forums and you can easily understand. I should not have to do this for you, but here you go anyway link.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 17, 2022 2:59:44 GMT -5
So i surrendered to covid, 2 and a half year later. Well maybe i had it before, but first time tested.
It's a bitch !
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Post by Day Tripper on Nov 17, 2022 5:09:03 GMT -5
I only took two jabs and after that I caught it. Decided to stop wearing a mask quickly after that when it was confirmed the omicron variant didn't spread to lungs anymore and it was milder than a normal flu.
Covid is still rolling across the nation but even though no one has worn masks for at least 6 months there hasn't been problems with serious cases the way we had earlier and that's thanks to the milder variant + the vaccines.
I think it's okay now to let it spread normally. All these masks, restrictions and too big focus on hygiene will only cause more problems compared to the virus itself since it's so mild nowadays. My biggest worry is our immune systems since large use of disinfectants will harm the natural bacteria in our bodies as well as avoiding germs in general makes our bodies less prepared to face other diseases.
Not to mention the social aspect. My gf just told me yesterday that while she was seeing her therapist he was wearing a mask that day unlike the previous times and suddenly she couldn't talk to him properly because she didn't see his whole face anymore. All these things have a small effect on your psychology but when they start adding up it might actually be pretty significant.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 17, 2022 10:17:22 GMT -5
Not to mention the social aspect. My gf just told me yesterday that while she was seeing her therapist he was wearing a mask that day unlike the previous times and suddenly she couldn't talk to him properly because she didn't see his whole face anymore. All these things have a small effect on your psychology but when they start adding up it might actually be pretty significant. It's all about perception. Actually people were much nicer and affable with masks than without. Coz they had to make an effort to be nice. We were more civilized when there were masks. Some people respond 100% to face expressions, others will responds to words and body language. The day the masks got down is they day when stupid people re-appeared tbh.
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Post by andymorris on Nov 18, 2022 3:02:15 GMT -5
So i surrendered to covid, 2 and a half year later. Well maybe i had it before, but first time tested. It's a bitch ! Get well soon and remember to take it easy as you recover ... it does a lot more to your system than people realize.
Thanx ! yeah it's a weird one, i'm still tired 10 days later. Doesn't seem to want to go away. And i was fully vaccinated, ouch. Cant imagine without.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 18, 2022 14:41:23 GMT -5
I work at a huge community college, have only been vaccinated twice and I still haven't had it, as far as I know.
Weird. Guess I'm lucky. I barely hear of any cases around me anymore and I really hope it won't return at the same level of seriousness as before, with the masks and lockdowns and all that.
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Post by tiger40 on Nov 26, 2022 13:54:52 GMT -5
I see that Covid cases are up again in China. Let's hope that we don't get any new strains before the end of the year.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 23, 2022 18:39:27 GMT -5
Almost 1 in 5 Chinese people currently test positive for coronavirus. 250 million people in China!
This is an alarming surge that should remind everyone that covid isn't over and so long as we allow this virus to remain at high levels of infection, the more likely a truly deadly mutation can appear. We do not want that.
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Post by tiger40 on Dec 24, 2022 13:49:36 GMT -5
Almost 1 in 5 Chinese people currently test positive for coronavirus. 250 million people in China! This is an alarming surge that should remind everyone that covid isn't over and so long as we allow this virus to remain at high levels of infection, the more likely a truly deadly mutation can appear. We do not want that. I fully agree with you about Covid isn't over. Mind you, I don't think it ever will be and yeah, it is an alarming surge in China.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 24, 2022 14:37:33 GMT -5
Almost 1 in 5 Chinese people currently test positive for coronavirus. 250 million people in China! This is an alarming surge that should remind everyone that covid isn't over and so long as we allow this virus to remain at high levels of infection, the more likely a truly deadly mutation can appear. We do not want that. I fully agree with you about Covid isn't over. Mind you, I don't think it ever will be and yeah, it is an alarming surge in China. I mean, covid can't go fully away. But it should get to a point where it's "normal" and just part of the regular annual flu cycle. We're nowhere close to normal levels yet.
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Post by tiger40 on Dec 29, 2022 13:43:52 GMT -5
I fully agree with you about Covid isn't over. Mind you, I don't think it ever will be and yeah, it is an alarming surge in China. I mean, covid can't go fully away. But it should get to a point where it's "normal" and just part of the regular annual flu cycle. We're nowhere close to normal levels yet. Yeah, that's true. I think that cases will always be up and down though. I see that the UK government are reviewing the rules on people coming in from China with cases being so high over there. But I think that they should be tested before they come in to any country at the moment.
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Post by settingson on Dec 30, 2022 8:25:36 GMT -5
The Chinese government's handling of COVID has been a flat out disaster. I live in Singapore and have many colleagues/friends in China/HK who have been negatively impacted by it.
Having finally been shamed into dropping the nonsensical "zero-COVID" policy, they are simultaneously opening up their borders, which means that a massive population, which has had sketchy vaccination and little chance to develop immunity is suddenly free to travel.
It's reckless at best, but they know they are untouchable, so whatever.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 1, 2023 14:11:54 GMT -5
I see that anyone coming in to the UK from China will now have to prove a negative test. Good and so they should.
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Post by Corky Ianucci on Jan 11, 2023 19:33:48 GMT -5
Hasn’t everyone been touched by Covíd at this point? I lost several family members to it. Of course, you have to say they had underlining health conditions like diabetës and AFib, one person not very old, only 45, but fuck those people, right? Said people died in early 2021, before vaccinations were widely available…. This whole time I tried to protect my parents, who are both old and have health concerns like multiple sclerosis, diabetes and heart disease…..the stress certainly took years off my life. Both of my parents ended up contracted covid, but both were vaccinated and were treated with Paxlovid, which works really well….I got covid and it fucking sucked…..had covid then got a UTI, a viral infection and bacterial infection at the same time. My doctor recommends covid vaccinations, my parents’ doctor, who’s a fucking asshole and my back door neighbor, who I might have to kill, recommends covid vaccinations, my mom’s multiple sclerosis doctor recommends covid vaccinations, that’s not enough research for me. Thanks.
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 18, 2023 12:50:48 GMT -5
I see that a new Covid variant is on the rise and yet they're stopping booster jabs for over 50s apart from people with serious health issues which is absolutely stupid.
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