Truly waiting for the Manchester synagogue song.  Andrew Wyatt are you out there listening?  

But you probably wouldn’t criticize Noel if he shat on your mother’s doorstep though…

But how do you know? 👀

I really don't get why people follow a singer hoping he becomes a songwriter. He won't mainly because he loves to be a just a singer.

Scorpio Rising or Carnation are just two examples of Liam's talent.
He does not need to write a single note or word to be remembered.

I understand who sees music differently but it really seems absurd to me to hope that Liam will change after 30 years of career.

I definitely understand why some so strongly desire Liam to make a very personal album, although I think he has remarkably little incentive to do that at this juncture in his career.  If it ever happens, it'll happen in a different phase.  

But I still don't really understand the "credibility" thing.  It just seems to me to be another way of saying "I don't like the song" or "I don't personally relate to what the song's about."  (Which is totally fair, no song or even writer is for everyone.)

But what makes Liam singing Noel's words credible?  I guess they grew up in the same house but they certainly don't think alike.  For that matter what makes Roger Daltrey singing Pete Townshend's words credible (because god knows their philosophies on nearly everything conflict)?  Certainly the half century some of those songs have lasted suggests many people do believe in them despite that.  

Why can't Liam sing about Broadway?  He owned an apartment in New York and certainly has spent time there over many decades.  Hell, even the fucking Clash wrote a song about Broadway!  It's a pretty universal place.  And speaking of Broadway, it's a place where people win accolades and awards for singing about stuff they never experienced and stories that didn't happen to them.  Daltrey has actually spoken about being a lead singer as being akin to being an actor.  That is, the credibility comes from within ...and not from your personal circumstances.  It's a performance.  (In the same way that Michael Fassbender never owned a slave, and isn't even American, yet he comes to life in that way on the screen to the point that it gets you emotionally...)  

Many songs that good lyricists write are "storytelling" songs as well. The examples are legion.  Paul Weller recently wrote a song about the mid-century American artist Edward Hopper.  What does that have to do with his life growing up in Woking?  Well, nothing on the surface.  But it's credible for him to write about anything that inspires him, same as its credible for Liam to sing any song to which he finds an emotional link. 

Not sure if I know how to explain it, but to me the problem with the songs I've previously mentioned (The River, Alright Now, Chinatown, Paper Crown, I could add For What It's Worth) is that I feel they're more connected to the actual writer and/or his role in the industry than Liam
It's why even with some Oasis songs I can't imagine Liam singing them (e.g. Talk Tonight or Waiting For The Rapture) but a lot of the others clearly work exeptionally
Again, I understand some people don't feel the same, it's just my perception of it

when do you reckon we'll hear the 1st single?

But, this is not what people who are criticizing Liam's lack of involvement are talking about. At least that's not what i have against that way of working.

Liam can sing about broadway or even space or meeting aliens if he wants to, as long as it's his words. Otherwise he's just a puppet or a con artist, like many other pop artists.

I don't care if it's made up, or even gibberish, but take your ten fingers, your brain and write something that is you own.

At this point, Liam is all business and money and a fame whore to me, yet claiming he is the real deal. which is a bit of a travesty. Unless proven otherwise on the next album with those "written by Liam Gallagher" tunes with no names added to it.

As for Wyatt said, of course he's not gonna brag about doing the work alone without the help of Liam. Dont be silly people, That's not how it works. Look what happened with Noel and the AA and it was an independent projet. So, on a major label... ten times worse.

If he did that, he'd be blacklisted for life. There's an omerta in the music business about this sort of thing, songwriters don't have the power and the few that are lucky to have work are willing to accept conditions that few on here would accept : eg songs being credited to the main name on the record sleeve although they did little to nothing except sing. To what extent it applies to Liam, who knows, but the doubt is here. And some people are seeing it.





Agreed, for what It's worth especially, which is supposed to be an apology song to the people Liam hurt, yet he didn't write it, i mean, WTF. Liam is a Cherry on the wrong cake on those songs. They don't feel real. They are nicely made, but it's like an Ikea table, it looks good, but it's cheap as fuck.

Yeah, that's just your own thing, which I get.  But I'll never understand why you feel the need to bring silly, overwrought concepts like "puppet" into it.  Is Daniel Day-Lewis a puppet because he speaks other people's words?  No, he's an absolutely supernatural actor, which is not the same as being as a writer but it's still a very powerful thing in its own right, and a necessary thing to make the writing come alive in ways the writer never imagined.  If you don't value it, that is your business, but the world values it

And I'd hazard a guess that you'd be the very first to lay into Liam if he did release gibberish.  And really, why would anyone here possibly want that for him or for ourselves?  Not that he would, but I just don't get the part where you say it can be of any quality so long as his name is on it.  It's obviously not true.  

As we've discussed before, you'll never know what Wyatt and Liam's collaboration is like (or Liam and Aldred's, for that matter, since it was said earlier they recorded several songs potentially for this album in 2020).  It's not true that a very successful writer-producer like Wyatt has no power but sure, some discretion is part of the job.  There are many such people in entertainment... ghost writers, script doctors, etcetera, who are very good at what they do but also know how to work with others and can let their ego take a backseat.  It's not some evil enterprise.  

Anyway, I'll let her speak for herself but I don't think that's what defmaybe00 was saying exactly.  More that the kind of language Wyatt uses in his songs doesn't always jibe with how she perceives Liam's persona (at least that's how i took what she said.)  

Yeah, this.  Liam's been both honest and humble about the songwriting in every interview I've ever seen since he went solo.  If someone wants to say he's a con artist, they really need to show proof of the con.  I'm willing to bet real money there isn't any such proof.  

Yeah but that's the only song that sounds like it has been really co-written and imo it's the best song on the album
I'd like to have more songs like wmwn

Halo undoubtedly has Liam’s influence in it.

Christ 😂 What if he doesn’t have anything collaborate with?