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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 5, 2021 17:25:14 GMT -5
Yeah, policed was a mite too strong a word (was writing fast), but there’s certainly now peer pressure being put on people to withhold their not-100-percent-positive opinions. Just don’t see why it’s necessary myself. Nothing that egregious has even been said. I read through every post on this thread last night. The worst that went by is that the album cover and font could be better, Knebworth didn’t float everyone’s boat, a few people would prefer Liam didn’t write about Noel, there was a hope that the album wouldn't be rushed for the sake of Knebworth, and there was the usual back-and-forth between you (and others) and andymorris about whether Liam should or could write more of the songs (which I have no problem with, I’m sort of between you two, but I can see why it bores some, though don’t know why they need to read it if so). Pretty mild stuff. In between that, though, there were people on Cloud Nine about Knebworth, expectations that the album would be immense, passionate support for the album cover as representing their view of Liam's relationship with the fans, and declarations that Liam’s comeback was the greatest of our times. You might say I’m a dreamer, but I really think these things can all exist together without it making people upset. I truly don’t want people to feel terrible about this place, but I also think a few contrary opinions are getting blown way out of proportion. Most posts are positive, there are some differences of opinion, and a few friendly, tongue-in-cheek provocateurs. Pretty much a normal human community. |
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Post by darmin on Oct 6, 2021 1:25:55 GMT -5
OMG I can’t with this thread(s). One is moaning that the album is gonna be rushed. You’d think that if this is so important for this person he would check dates and realize that the new album is gonna be released (hopefully) almost 3 years after WMWN. But nope. Others are moaning that Liam may not/didn’t write songs himself for this album although there is absolutely no information about it. Liam had plenty of time to write songs and if he did write good ones I’m sure they gonna be on the album. Constructive criticism lol. There is nothing to criticize yet, constructively or not. The album isn’t released yet. You can criticize only the cover, nothing more. Everything else is speculations. And in one case, pathetic trolling Agreed, it's all speculations. That's all we got right now, hungry as we are. But if people are upset to the point of despair about speculations then why not just come back when there are tunes or at least snippets/titles/descriptions? No one forces anyone to read every post in a time of no news. I certainly skip past plenty! Also, the dates between albums has nothing to do with whether an album is being rushed or not rushed. It has to do with HOW the album is made. We know Liam already said the album was half-recorded earlier this year and would be finished in October. (It's also clear that Wyatt has not been recording with Liam since the earlier session so that timing still seems in place.) So yes, it's a compressed time frame from this point forward, not three years. (Whether songs were written long ago, we don't know and we probably never will but they haven't been recorded yet) Some people wait to finish (or nearly finish) an album and then set the release date and in this case the release date was set in stone before the album is finished. Is that rushed? Maybe, maybe not, but it's not completely out there to bring it up. Since I just read through all these posts last night, I also know for sure that what Leron said was that he "HOPES" the album isn't rushed. He never made a prediction. It's just so harmless, to be honest. Wonder how things are going to when there are more substantive criticisms of the music. (And there will be because no song was ever written that everyone on earth agrees is great--and people have very different desires for Liam's music in particular.) Anyway, interesting to me how people want to police opinions, even when stated respectfully. I'm as excited as anyone about the album, but no one else's opinion can change what it will be or how I will feel when I listen to it, whether it's ecstasy or something lesser. They're only words, folks. I simply don’t understand why you would worry about album possibly being rushed. Is there any legit reasons for that? Whats logic behind that? It’s 2021, not 90s, people can work on music together while not being physically in one studio. I remember Liam posting pic from the studio a year ago or so. There was enough time. Some musicians released 2 albums since the lockdown started. Liam is still working on 1 album since 2020. So for me it looks like complaining for the sake of complaining (combined w other posts) I don’t want police anyone’s opinions and I wasn’t upset about negative posts. At most I was mildly annoyed with andymorris obvious trolling. He repeats the same things many times, it’s boring and clogs threads. That’s all |
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Post by lg on Oct 6, 2021 1:34:50 GMT -5
The constructive criticism was for previous releases if that wasn’t clear. Anyway.. Well MG was recorded in 12 days and look how that turned out, it can take a day or 20 years it doesn’t matter. Liam albums cant be rushed since people are working on it for him months in advance. If a song sounds bad (erm shockwave this is you) it’s because the people behind it did a terrible job. He just need to do vocals and maybe (probably) give approval to the mixes. Can’t picture him doing much else, same as in oasis.WMYN sounded good overall with a very nice production but some wtf moments though. Am I being good there ? (yes/no teach Tom do you give me a good grade ?) Not watched As It Was then I take it? As it was is about ayw, he wrote different tunes for ayw, on most of the pieces he worked with a different producer in London, it's a different thing How much input did liam have on wmwn? We don't know but there aren't many bits that sounds like classic liam The verse of wmwn is pure liam, 100% Probably some lyrics here and there Anything else? Be still maybe? The man can write some great tunes: I've all I need, greedy soul, bold, you better run etc, I know he's not a very prolific songwriter but I'd like to have a more personal album this time Even just a few tunes I mean, he dedicated now that I found you to his daughter and I think it's a beautiful song but how much of it does it sound like LG? A more personal inspired album is all I'm asking for |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 6, 2021 1:39:02 GMT -5
Not watched As It Was then I take it? As it was is about ayw, he wrote different tunes for ayw, on most of the pieces he worked with a different producer in London, it's a different thing How much input did liam have on wmwn? We don't know but there aren't many bits that sounds like classic liam The verse of wmwn is pure liam, 100% Probably some lyrics here and there Anything else? Be still maybe? The man can write some great tunes: I've all I need, greedy soul, bold, you better run etc, I know he's not a very prolific songwriter but I'd like to have a more personal album this time Even just a few tunes I mean, he dedicated now that I found you to his daughter and I think it's a beautiful song but how much of it does it sound like LG? A more personal inspired album is all I'm asking for Yeah plus AS It was was a propaganda "documentary", the bits about Noel are really scandalous, so god knows what else. I don't remember the rest about it, but the Noel's part made me cringe, cringe and cringe. It's not a whole documentary about song recording, i'd have to watch it again (god forbid !) to remember what was shown when Liam was "working" in the studio. but if you know Liam's work, it's obvious that record isn't him. Come on Leron, let's start a petition, for a true Liam. now that I found you is like for what it's worth, a "personal" song written by someone else. darmin I'm not trolling by the way, in fact i'm a pretty big dude, so i can't really get in those tiny troll houses. I'm bearing, if you want. And everybody is also repeating stuff all the time. Not just me. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 6, 2021 4:52:20 GMT -5
233 days until C’Mon You Know hits the shelves!
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Post by Rolo on Oct 6, 2021 5:22:03 GMT -5
Not watched As It Was then I take it? As it was is about ayw, he wrote different tunes for ayw, on most of the pieces he worked with a different producer in London, it's a different thing How much input did liam have on wmwn? We don't know but there aren't many bits that sounds like classic liam The verse of wmwn is pure liam, 100% Probably some lyrics here and there Anything else? Be still maybe? The man can write some great tunes: I've all I need, greedy soul, bold, you better run etc, I know he's not a very prolific songwriter but I'd like to have a more personal album this time Even just a few tunes I mean, he dedicated now that I found you to his daughter and I think it's a beautiful song but how much of it does it sound like LG? A more personal inspired album is all I'm asking for My point is he's involved a lot more than some people give him credit for. It's been quoted numerous times in the past how much Liam loves the studio and gets involved in the recording and mixing process which is backed up by the As It Was footage. Check the DBTT documentary as well. I think it's definitely fair to say he wrote no where near as many songs for WMWN but I think to say he just "turns up, sings the songs and leaves" without any other input is a bit harsh and just speculation. I agree it would be nice to hear some proper Liam penned tunes for the next album but I'm quite happy with where we are at now with Liam bringing half finished songs forward and Wyatt or whoever going through it with him and properly developing them. Why Me? Why Not wouldn't have been half the song it is without help off others so I think it's working just fine. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 6, 2021 5:46:58 GMT -5
Even if he did simply turn up, sing the song and leave, what would be the existential problem with that?
See: Elvis, Sinatra, whomever - they curate the style and approve the songs, but ultimately, they sang someone else’s words and melodies.
Interpretation and performance is a skill in itself. Hence why Liam was so important to Oasis.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 6, 2021 6:13:58 GMT -5
As it was is about ayw, he wrote different tunes for ayw, on most of the pieces he worked with a different producer in London, it's a different thing How much input did liam have on wmwn? We don't know but there aren't many bits that sounds like classic liam The verse of wmwn is pure liam, 100% Probably some lyrics here and there Anything else? Be still maybe? The man can write some great tunes: I've all I need, greedy soul, bold, you better run etc, I know he's not a very prolific songwriter but I'd like to have a more personal album this time Even just a few tunes I mean, he dedicated now that I found you to his daughter and I think it's a beautiful song but how much of it does it sound like LG? A more personal inspired album is all I'm asking for Yeah plus AS It was was a propaganda "documentary", the bits about Noel are really scandalous, so god knows what else. I don't remember the rest about it, but the Noel's part made me cringe, cringe and cringe. It's not a whole documentary about song recording, i'd have to watch it again (god forbid !) to remember what was shown when Liam was "working" in the studio. but if you know Liam's work, it's obvious that record isn't him. Come on Leron, let's start a petition, for a true Liam. now that I found you is like for what it's worth, a "personal" song written by someone else. darmin I'm not trolling by the way, in fact i'm a pretty big dude, so i can't really get in those tiny troll houses. I'm bearing, if you want. And everybody is also repeating stuff all the time. Not just me. If you're a "pretty big dude" as you discribe yourself, let your fellow members enjoy the excitement for the new album instead of keep moaning this and that. On this stage you've become a stereotype of a troll, I must say unfortunatelly. We don't know anything about Liam's new album yet except the artwork. Peace, love and music |
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Post by modxxii on Oct 6, 2021 6:19:29 GMT -5
Even if he did simply turn up, sing the song and leave, what would be the existential problem with that? See: Elvis, Sinatra, whomever - they curate the style and approve the songs, but ultimately, they sang someone else’s words and melodies. Interpretation and performance is a skill in itself. Hence why Liam was so important to Oasis. This! The funny thing is that Liam is much more into the musical process today than he was in Oasis days. But, he was and he's still a singer. He is happy to be, if someone does not like it I do not understand why he follows him. He'll never be Dylan, like Elvis wasn't. Having your own tastes and hopes is normal but here someone would like Liam to be something he is not and does not want to be. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 6, 2021 11:44:56 GMT -5
As it was is about ayw, he wrote different tunes for ayw, on most of the pieces he worked with a different producer in London, it's a different thing How much input did liam have on wmwn? We don't know but there aren't many bits that sounds like classic liam The verse of wmwn is pure liam, 100% Probably some lyrics here and there Anything else? Be still maybe? The man can write some great tunes: I've all I need, greedy soul, bold, you better run etc, I know he's not a very prolific songwriter but I'd like to have a more personal album this time Even just a few tunes I mean, he dedicated now that I found you to his daughter and I think it's a beautiful song but how much of it does it sound like LG? A more personal inspired album is all I'm asking for My point is he's involved a lot more than some people give him credit for. It's been quoted numerous times in the past how much Liam loves the studio and gets involved in the recording and mixing process which is backed up by the As It Was footage. Check the DBTT documentary as well. I think it's definitely fair to say he wrote no where near as many songs for WMWN but I think to say he just "turns up, sings the songs and leaves" without any other input is a bit harsh and just speculation. I agree it would be nice to hear some proper Liam penned tunes for the next album but I'm quite happy with where we are at now with Liam bringing half finished songs forward and Wyatt or whoever going through it with him and properly developing them. Why Me? Why Not wouldn't have been half the song it is without help off others so I think it's working just fine. You know what i want : a behind the scene documentary about the new record. Cut the crap about promo stuff, Noel.. etc Just the music. I want to see the collab, i wanna see them write together, record together, fight over a sound, over a guitar part. That's what i want to see. I think there is something interesting to hear what Liam brought to the table and what the finished product. I'm mad for songwriting documentary, like the one Macca just did. It's 5 jours and it felt like 30 sec. Amazing. They talked about a guitar sound that was a bass (or the other way around) for like 5 mins. With streaming platform, there is room for that kind of content now. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 6, 2021 11:50:34 GMT -5
If you're a "pretty big dude" as you discribe yourself, let your fellow members enjoy the excitement for the new album instead of keep moaning this and that. On this stage you've become a stereotype of a troll, I must say unfortunatelly. We don't know anything about Liam's new album yet except the artwork. Peace, love and music Wait are you moaning about me moaning ? If you wanna know, i'm 6.1, 1.87 meters for the fellow europeans. So yeah, i cant be a troll. A big C;unt if you want. For the record i didn't say anything about the new record except that i want some to be Liam's 100% penned tunes. How's that moaning ? It's a wish. I did say the cover is gash though. Because it is. |
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 6, 2021 12:40:45 GMT -5
OMG I can’t with this thread(s). One is moaning that the album is gonna be rushed. You’d think that if this is so important for this person he would check dates and realize that the new album is gonna be released (hopefully) almost 3 years after WMWN. But nope. Others are moaning that Liam may not/didn’t write songs himself for this album although there is absolutely no information about it. Liam had plenty of time to write songs and if he did write good ones I’m sure they gonna be on the album. Constructive criticism lol. There is nothing to criticize yet, constructively or not. The album isn’t released yet. You can criticize only the cover, nothing more. Everything else is speculations. And in one case, pathetic trolling Agreed. I couldn't put it better myself. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 6, 2021 14:03:49 GMT -5
If the Thames concert is not released, I'm pretty sure some of his tracks could end up as bonus tracks / extra tracks from the new album or b-side of the new singles.
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Post by tezza198 on Oct 6, 2021 19:11:20 GMT -5
Does anyone remember how long it was from the time Why Me. Why Not? And AYW we’re announced to their release date?
Is this the longest time we’ve had to wait for an LG record from its announcement?
Just curious. I actually don’t mind the wait, it’s exciting and will build up the closer it gets.
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Post by megyesitomate on Oct 6, 2021 19:19:59 GMT -5
andymorris My point is he's involved a lot more than some people give him credit for. It's been quoted numerous times in the past how much Liam loves the studio and gets involved in the recording and mixing process which is backed up by the As It Was footage. Check the DBTT documentary as well. I think it's definitely fair to say he wrote no where near as many songs for WMWN but I think to say he just "turns up, sings the songs and leaves" without any other input is a bit harsh and just speculation. I agree it would be nice to hear some proper Liam penned tunes for the next album but I'm quite happy with where we are at now with Liam bringing half finished songs forward and Wyatt or whoever going through it with him and properly developing them. Why Me? Why Not wouldn't have been half the song it is without help off others so I think it's working just fine. You know what i want : a behind the scene documentary about the new record. Cut the crap about promo stuff, Noel.. etc Just the music. I want to see the collab, i wanna see them write together, record together, fight over a sound, over a guitar part. That's what i want to see. I think there is something interesting to hear what Liam brought to the table and what the finished product. I'm mad for songwriting documentary, like the one Macca just did. It's 5 jours and it felt like 30 sec. Amazing. They talked about a guitar sound that was a bass (or the other way around) for like 5 mins. With streaming platform, there is room for that kind of content now. What's the name of the doc Macca just did? |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 6, 2021 19:43:28 GMT -5
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Post by megyesitomate on Oct 6, 2021 19:55:48 GMT -5
Does anyone remember how long it was from the time Why Me. Why Not? And AYW we’re announced to their release date? Is this the longest time we’ve had to wait for an LG record from its announcement? Just curious. I actually don’t mind the wait, it’s exciting and will build up the closer it gets. AYW was announced on July 1 I think and was released on October 6. WMWN was announced on June 13 and was released on September 20.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 6, 2021 20:17:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get the long wait here. We'll all be blue balled in 4 months time. Is he planning on releasing half the album as lead up singles or something? I hope so, won't be so bad in that case.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 6, 2021 22:25:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get the long wait here. We'll all be blue balled in 4 months time. Is he planning on releasing half the album as lead up singles or something? I hope so, won't be so bad in that case. Probably a couple of strategic things going on here: 1) Capitalize on the Knebworth hype train of nostalgia. 2) Liam is still recording the new album clearly. Take your time William (granted you are now on the clock like U2 with POP). 3) The pre-orders for LP3 will be massive with 8 months of accumulation plus when singles finally drop sparking more interest. 4) Vinyl production is way way way behind for all artists according to all reports. Do I want to wait 8 months? No way but I see what Liam is doing and I think its a rock solid plan.  |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 6, 2021 23:39:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't get the long wait here. We'll all be blue balled in 4 months time. Is he planning on releasing half the album as lead up singles or something? I hope so, won't be so bad in that case. Fully to do with Knebworth sales. The album help sells the tickets and the tickets help sell the album, thereby boosting both higher. It makes economic sense to tie them together. There are some minor risks to doing it that way but the upside is huge. Realistically, he was never going to release an album before Spring 2022 anyway. (This winter is still very iffy globally.) So nothing really is different except that now we know it will be May not April or June ... and people can count down the days if they're into that sort of thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2021 23:39:33 GMT -5
This will be a long wait for Liam too, he's already tweeting clues what the new songs sound like.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 6, 2021 23:44:48 GMT -5
This will be a long wait for Liam too, he's already tweeting clues what the new songs sound like. Its like the Sex Pistols doing The Beatles on Starbucks. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 7, 2021 3:34:55 GMT -5
Did Liam write Once by himself? I seem to remember the demo from As It Was was only credited to him.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Oct 7, 2021 3:43:01 GMT -5
233 days until C’Mon You Know hits the shelves! How many days till the leak |
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Post by tiger40 on Oct 7, 2021 12:38:40 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the wait because the album will be here before we know it with the way time goes. And, didn't Liam say that he was going back into the studio this month to finish the album? If it takes a bit longer than that then it's fine by me.
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