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Post by dampcottage on Oct 1, 2021 19:16:08 GMT -5
I think he's very happy with that label. This is the "problem" It's the easy way, he's the closest thing to oasis right now and this is helping his career but he's kinda of an oasis cover band Would he play at Knebworth if he didn't play oasis songs? And why playing at Knebworth? His career is based on the nostalgia of the oasis and there is nothing wrong with it but if you want to be an artist, if you have something to say, you have to make something different I agree with you but he might as well ride the wave for a bit, be plenty of time to explore something different down the line, but right now that's the only way its gonna work,hopefully it will inspire someone somewhere in the crowd to go and do something even bigger and better....
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 1, 2021 19:24:33 GMT -5
I think Liam would be the first to say that he doesn't think of himself as an "artist" in that way. He knows he's "the one from Oasis" and he's happy with it, especially as he's got the solo career to throw some good new tunes in between the favourites. He's not like one of those acts who you sense are secretly seething that the crowd only cheer when they play an old one, Liam seems to love it, and that shameless adoration of Oasis is part of what makes him so likeable. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't ride the wave of Oasis popularity as far as he can.
It wouldn't exist without him, after all.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 1, 2021 19:52:02 GMT -5
I think Liam would be the first to say that he doesn't think of himself as an "artist" in that way. He knows he's "the one from Oasis" and he's happy with it, especially as he's got the solo career to throw some good new tunes in between the favourites. He's not like one of those acts who you sense are secretly seething that the crowd only cheer when they play an old one, Liam seems to love it, and that shameless adoration of Oasis is part of what makes him so likeable. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't ride the wave of Oasis popularity as far as he can. It wouldn't exist without him, after all. Agree. He's said many times he wouldn't use the word artist for himself (usually accompanied by "that's reserved for the likes of Noel Gallagher") which might be downplaying even just his singing, but that's cool, too. It's very Liam. Still, it is also 100% true that the Oasis wave isn't sustainable forever without new music (and beyond the point where he and Noel are old men). He knows that, too, which is why he's having it while he still can. In an ideal world, he can do both--ride the Oasis wave and establish his own identity with lasting songs that can carry forward--but one is a guaranteed good time ...
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Oct 1, 2021 20:20:26 GMT -5
I think Liam would be the first to say that he doesn't think of himself as an "artist" in that way. He knows he's "the one from Oasis" and he's happy with it, especially as he's got the solo career to throw some good new tunes in between the favourites. He's not like one of those acts who you sense are secretly seething that the crowd only cheer when they play an old one, Liam seems to love it, and that shameless adoration of Oasis is part of what makes him so likeable. I don't see any reason why he shouldn't ride the wave of Oasis popularity as far as he can. It wouldn't exist without him, after all. Agree. He's said many times he wouldn't use the word artist for himself (usually accompanied by "that's reserved for the likes of Noel Gallagher") which might be downplaying even just his singing, but that's cool, too. It's very Liam. Still, it is also 100% true that the Oasis wave isn't sustainable forever without new music (and beyond the point where he and Noel are old men). He knows that, too, which is why he's having it while he still can. In an ideal world, he can do both--ride the Oasis wave and establish his own identity with lasting songs that can carry forward--but one is a guaranteed good time ... Yeah id say i pretty much agree. Liam has always insisted that while he may write a decent song now and again he doesn’t consider himself a writer, or an artist; merely a rock singer and frontman. Who likes to give fans a good time and have a good time himself while doing it. I know some disagree, but I certainly don’t feel that by performing the Oasis songs he’s a tribute act, nor do I feel he isn’t entitled to do so because Noel wrote them. Just like if I saw a Roger Daltrey solo gig, I wouldn’t have an issue with him performing My Generation and all The Who’s hits just because Pete Townshend wrote them. It can’t really be denied Liam’s voice is the most recognisable sound of Oasis, and that for the most part his vocals gave the songs something unique no-one else could match (Noel had his moments there too). So for me Liam has every right to sing them live, and as long as there’s maybe 30-40% new material, I don’t feel he’s living in the past.
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Post by bestwick8 on Oct 1, 2021 21:51:48 GMT -5
Maybe it isn’t the best shot. I do like the font though as well. As with any band, all these things will fade away if the music is good 😂 You like the font? I don't know, feels very cheap to me. Charity shop vibes. But like you said, it's all aesthetics at the end of the day. Liam is not the kind of artist to make a concept album where the cover is an important key to the mood - he'd be the first to say that it's all in the tunes. If we get more As You Were level tracks, and less of that Now That I've Found You nonsense, I'll promptly forget all about the artwork and celebrate the album like a fanboy. The font really reminds me of Ashcroft's Natural rebel cover
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Post by bestwick8 on Oct 1, 2021 21:52:14 GMT -5
Anyone else having trouble ordering in North America ? The warner Canadian store has been down all day
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 1, 2021 23:31:08 GMT -5
Yeah id say i pretty much agree. Liam has always insisted that while he may write a decent song now and again he doesn’t consider himself a writer, or an artist; merely a rock singer and frontman. Who likes to give fans a good time and have a good time himself while doing it. I know some disagree, but I certainly don’t feel that by performing the Oasis songs he’s a tribute act, nor do I feel he isn’t entitled to do so because Noel wrote them. Just like if I saw a Roger Daltrey solo gig, I wouldn’t have an issue with him performing My Generation and all The Who’s hits just because Pete Townshend wrote them. It can’t really be denied Liam’s voice is the most recognisable sound of Oasis, and that for the most part his vocals gave the songs something unique no-one else could match (Noel had his moments there too). So for me Liam has every right to sing them live, and as long as there’s maybe 30-40% new material, I don’t feel he’s living in the past. Good call on Daltrey. I’ve always thought it nice that Daltrey, who isn’t even half the songwriter that Liam is, takes no shit at all for being a pure front man. He’s so iconic to the The Who, a band that despite Townshend’s musical genius, would never have gotten where it did without the power of his voice and the irresistibility of his look, that no one even questions his contributions to rock and roll history. And Daltrey does tour on his own doing Who songs–he did an entire Tommy tour on his own in 2011. (Townshend doesn't care because he hates to tour and I think would just as soon Daltrey keep The Who fans excited about the band.) Would Liam be 100% happy though being Daltrey? That’s where I’m not sure. Maybe. Or maybe not. The genes are not that different between the Gallaghers—the personalities are opposite but not the genes—and Liam does have both some degree of ambitiousness and some talent for songwriting. I think that’s why some people still wonder if he will push himself further. Really it’s a good thing that people want more from Liam than he is giving them. If people thought he had nothing else to give, they probably would have given up banging that drum long ago. And the fun part is that there's still a sense that he could surprise people at some point in the next decade and do a 180. I'm fine with him riding the Oasis wave while it's so huge and cresting, but I also kinda hope he bails from the wave just before it starts falling and does do something a little more daring.
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Post by lg on Oct 2, 2021 0:04:47 GMT -5
Agree. He's said many times he wouldn't use the word artist for himself (usually accompanied by "that's reserved for the likes of Noel Gallagher") which might be downplaying even just his singing, but that's cool, too. It's very Liam. Still, it is also 100% true that the Oasis wave isn't sustainable forever without new music (and beyond the point where he and Noel are old men). He knows that, too, which is why he's having it while he still can. In an ideal world, he can do both--ride the Oasis wave and establish his own identity with lasting songs that can carry forward--but one is a guaranteed good time ... Yeah id say i pretty much agree. Liam has always insisted that while he may write a decent song now and again he doesn’t consider himself a writer, or an artist; merely a rock singer and frontman. Who likes to give fans a good time and have a good time himself while doing it. I know some disagree, but I certainly don’t feel that by performing the Oasis songs he’s a tribute act, nor do I feel he isn’t entitled to do so because Noel wrote them. Just like if I saw a Roger Daltrey solo gig, I wouldn’t have an issue with him performing My Generation and all The Who’s hits just because Pete Townshend wrote them. It can’t really be denied Liam’s voice is the most recognisable sound of Oasis, and that for the most part his vocals gave the songs something unique no-one else could match (Noel had his moments there too). So for me Liam has every right to sing them live, and as long as there’s maybe 30-40% new material, I don’t feel he’s living in the past. He's not a tribute act because he performs oasis songs but he risks to be a tribute act if his solo music takes the second place and he's doing this just for the oasis nostalgia He could have played his big gig anywhere else but he chose Knebworth because it's an important part of oasis history, it's all based on the nostalgia Nothing wrong with it but we had oasis, I don't want a light version of oasis or something close to oasis
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Post by andymorris on Oct 2, 2021 0:26:48 GMT -5
Agreed leron this knebworth gig is another step in the wrong direction. Well not financially of course. Its a smart move for the wallet
He is not a tribute act… yet but his solo career is clearly not built on his new material. Its a filler between oasis hits. The next record will be important for that. If its featured heavily in the setlist then good, if its mostly noel’s songs well…
Next up : Las Vegas residency.
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 2, 2021 2:26:10 GMT -5
Well I’m delighted for it and I want my old hero from 1994 to be doing EXACTLY what he’s doing and where he’s doing it!
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 2, 2021 2:29:11 GMT -5
To all those who don't like the cover ... I personally find the ones from What's The Story Morning Glory, Heaten Chemistry, Don't Believe The Truth far worse. I find the cover of Come On You Know perfectly suited. It exactly mirrors Liam's relationship and his music with fans. It is very evocative.
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Post by GlastoEls on Oct 2, 2021 2:39:29 GMT -5
To all those who don't like the cover ... I personally find the ones from What's The Story Morning Glory, Heaten Chemistry, Don't Believe The Truth far worse. I find the cover of Come On You Know perfectly suited. It exactly mirrors Liam's relationship and his music with fans. It is very evocative. FANBOY! 😂 (Just to be clear this is an affectionate joke!)
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 2, 2021 3:04:55 GMT -5
To all those who don't like the cover ... I personally find the ones from What's The Story Morning Glory, Heaten Chemistry, Don't Believe The Truth far worse. I find the cover of Come On You Know perfectly suited. It exactly mirrors Liam's relationship and his music with fans. It is very evocative. FANBOY! 😂 (Just to be clear this is an affectionate joke!) It is not a question of Fanboy, it is a question that we live in an age where criticizing and complaining has become a fashion. There are months when you complain about dates that don't come, then when they do come you complain with something like "It's the wrong time", "it will never fill that place", "I would have preferred it to be there, rather than there" . Months of chattering about the desire for a new album, and even complaining about the cover, the release date or even the songs that have not yet been heard. There is an absurd collective hysteria around, especially in this forum. They should all calm down and enjoy what they have. Many of them should create a personal artistic career, become international singers and teach the world how to write an album, what cover to put on it, what dates to do and where, create the perfect setlist and get the time and place right. We look forward to their rise to success to learn from them what PERFECTION meant.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 2, 2021 3:49:04 GMT -5
FANBOY! 😂 (Just to be clear this is an affectionate joke!) It is not a question of Fanboy, it is a question that we live in an age where criticizing and complaining has become a fashion. There are months when you complain about dates that don't come, then when they do come you complain with something like "It's the wrong time", "it will never fill that place", "I would have preferred it to be there, rather than there" . Months of chattering about the desire for a new album, and even complaining about the cover, the release date or even the songs that have not yet been heard. There is an absurd collective hysteria around, especially in this forum. They should all calm down and enjoy what they have. Many of them should create a personal artistic career, become international singers and teach the world how to write an album, what cover to put on it, what dates to do and where, create the perfect setlist and get the time and place right. We look forward to their rise to success to learn from them what PERFECTION meant. Meh. People are entitled to have opinions about music, writing, film, art, photography and they don't have to be international celebrities for their thoughts to matter. Liam himself has all kinds of opinions on shit he knows nothing about. It's a forum. It would be deadly dull if people just sat here writing blathering love letters all day long. People like to debate this kinda stuff. Most people doing it are having fun. If it's not fun, then just skip reading that stuff. p.s. I've sat in meetings where people were choosing poster art for movies and the conversations are no different from the ones we were having here about the album art. It's just that some people are paid to do what people naturally like to do.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 2, 2021 3:51:22 GMT -5
Next up : Las Vegas residency. I wish he would do a Vegas residency. It's a hell of a lot closer to me than Knebworth
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Post by modxxii on Oct 2, 2021 3:52:56 GMT -5
Several months until the new album and people moaning about: the album cover, the photo on the cover, the people on the photo on the cover, the font used on the cover, the album title, the time Liam has spent recording the songs, his participation in the writing of songs that are not yet known (LOL), the artistic direction of an album that has not yet been listened (LOL), the venue of the gig, the unknown (LOL) set-list of a single concert, whether Liam should or shouldn't sing Oasis' tunes... spoiler: yes, Liam IS Oasis, deal with it.
I'm sorry to write it but this place has become unbearable.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 2, 2021 4:06:25 GMT -5
It is not a question of Fanboy, it is a question that we live in an age where criticizing and complaining has become a fashion. There are months when you complain about dates that don't come, then when they do come you complain with something like "It's the wrong time", "it will never fill that place", "I would have preferred it to be there, rather than there" . Months of chattering about the desire for a new album, and even complaining about the cover, the release date or even the songs that have not yet been heard. There is an absurd collective hysteria around, especially in this forum. They should all calm down and enjoy what they have. Many of them should create a personal artistic career, become international singers and teach the world how to write an album, what cover to put on it, what dates to do and where, create the perfect setlist and get the time and place right. We look forward to their rise to success to learn from them what PERFECTION meant. Meh. People are entitled to have opinions about music, writing, film, art, photography and they don't have to be international celebrities for their thoughts to matter. Liam himself has all kinds of opinions on shit he knows nothing about. It's a forum. It would be deadly dull if people just sat here writing blathering love letters all day long. People like to debate this kinda stuff. Most people doing it are having fun. If it's not fun, then just skip reading that stuff. p.s. I've sat in meetings where people were choosing poster art for movies and the conversations are no different from the ones we were having here about the album art. It's just that some people are paid to do what people naturally like to do. 90% of the opinions in here are all negative. Towards everything. I've read tons of contemptuous opinions even about the 1996 Knebworth Park concerts. Absurd. I myself hate things that are too honey and loving, but in 90% of cases it doesn't seem like an Oasis fan forum at all but who knows what other band.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 2, 2021 4:19:25 GMT -5
Several months until the new album and people moaning about: the album cover, the photo on the cover, the people on the photo on the cover, the font used on the cover, the album title, the time Liam has spent recording the songs, his participation in the writing of songs that are not yet known (LOL), the artistic direction of an album that has not yet been listened (LOL), the venue of the gig, the unknown (LOL) set-list of a single concert, whether Liam should or shouldn't sing Oasis' tunes... spoiler: yes, Liam IS Oasis, deal with it. I'm sorry to write it but this place has become unbearable. Unbearable is a very sad word for what is just a band forum. I’m not sure why it’s taken so seriously. It’s just people giving their opinions, in some cases their personal hopes or wishes, about something they care about, which really should cause no harm to anyone. They have no effect at all on what Liam (or Noel when it’s Noel) does. And it doesn’t change the pleasure you get (or I get) from his shows or albums. It’s just people talking and some you’ll agree with and some you won’t, and some will make you roll your eyes and laugh at their ridiculousness.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 2, 2021 4:26:12 GMT -5
Next up : Las Vegas residency. I wish he would do a Vegas residency. It's a hell of a lot closer to me than Knebworth I wouldn't mind either, i love Las Vegas even though i have played like 5 dollars max But for a week end before a road trip in the national parks, it's always a good start As for critics / negativity, we have the right not to like what the Gallaghers brothers are becoming. In the end, that's what being passionate about something is about in the end. We like some stuff, dislike some others... No need to be upset really.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 2, 2021 4:39:25 GMT -5
90% of the opinions in here are all negative. Towards everything. I've read tons of contemptuous opinions even about the 1996 Knebworth Park concerts. Absurd. I myself hate things that are too honey and loving, but in 90% of cases it doesn't seem like an Oasis fan forum at all but who knows what other band. 90%? That's a pretty major exaggeration. But maybe the very few posts that are unequivocally negative are the ones you remember the most. (Or you're exaggerating the negativity of posts that actually praise Liam/Noel/Oasis but don't see everything they do as flawless.) Anyway, think about it folks. Oasis were one of the most belligerent, pugnacious, piss-taking, both divided and divisive bands of recent history in their prime. It's hard to imagine an Oasis forum that wouldn't have some friction and tension. They should be proud of not having sycophantic fans.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 2, 2021 4:45:48 GMT -5
Anyway, think about it folks. Oasis were one of the most belligerent, pugnacious, piss-taking, both divided and divisive bands of recent history in their prime. It's hard to imagine an Oasis forum that wouldn't have some friction and tension. They should be proud of not having sycophantic fans. true, that band was built on tension and fighting. By the way Dear Bomb, where about do you live in LA ? I understand if you don't wanna answer I really enjoyed it except getting in from Joshua Tree. That was LONG, like a never ending highway with like 55 lanes. Terryifing.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 2, 2021 4:50:51 GMT -5
I wish he would do a Vegas residency. It's a hell of a lot closer to me than Knebworth I wouldn't mind either, i love Las Vegas even though i have played like 5 dollars max But for a week end before a road trip in the national parks, it's always a good start As for critics / negativity, we have the right not to like what the Gallaghers brothers are becoming. In the end, that's what being passionate about something is about in the end. We like some stuff, dislike some others... No need to be upset really. Alright then, I'll meet you at the Liam Gallagher Oasis Revue at Caesar's Palace in 2029. Bring the family. Maybe Liam will toss his maracas to your son and he'll take up the Oasis mantle. And then you can hike in glorious Red Rocks for the rest of the week.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Oct 2, 2021 4:51:49 GMT -5
Several months until the new album and people moaning about: the album cover, the photo on the cover, the people on the photo on the cover, the font used on the cover, the album title, the time Liam has spent recording the songs, his participation in the writing of songs that are not yet known (LOL), the artistic direction of an album that has not yet been listened (LOL), the venue of the gig, the unknown (LOL) set-list of a single concert, whether Liam should or shouldn't sing Oasis' tunes... spoiler: yes, Liam IS Oasis, deal with it. I'm sorry to write it but this place has become unbearable. I quote every word. This is how it works. It's full of scientists here
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Post by girllikeabomb on Oct 2, 2021 5:00:26 GMT -5
true, that band was built on tension and fighting. By the way Dear Bomb, where about do you live in LA ? I understand if you don't wanna answer I really enjoyed it except getting in from Joshua Tree. That was LONG, like a never ending highway with like 55 lanes. Terryifing. I'm a Westside girl and have been since I first got here. About 5 miles from the ocean. As Frank Lloyd Wright once said, "if you tip the world on its side, everything loose lands in Los Angeles." 55 lanes, hahaha. I've spent quite a bit of time in J-Tree, but I never do the driving. Can't handle the 55 lanes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2021 5:00:49 GMT -5
Several months until the new album and people moaning about: the album cover, the photo on the cover, the people on the photo on the cover, the font used on the cover, the album title, the time Liam has spent recording the songs, his participation in the writing of songs that are not yet known (LOL), the artistic direction of an album that has not yet been listened (LOL), the venue of the gig, the unknown (LOL) set-list of a single concert, whether Liam should or shouldn't sing Oasis' tunes... spoiler: yes, Liam IS Oasis, deal with it. I'm sorry to write it but this place has become unbearable.I kind of agree with you. Nothing wrong with being critical or not liking something, but not when it's constant criticism of things we haven't even heard or seen yet. And this is supposed to be a HYPE thread. I'm sure there are other threads where you can discuss if Liam should be playing Las Vegas
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