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Post by chamu on Jun 8, 2022 13:00:33 GMT -5
As expected really Harry Styles returns to top of album chart in midweek update. LG down to #5. What? How sad. Up to #4 in today's update, but with very low sales: 4,378 Indeed the declining of physical album sales is huge for everybody. It's all About streaming. He will probably be #1 on sales this Week. His first week numbers were incredibly high for a 49 Years old rock act. He's at #16 in the bestseller albums of the year with just One week: Albums Pos LW YTD Total Artist Title New Hst 1 1 210,000 642,600 Ed Sheeran = 11/11/21 1 2 2 149,200 149,200 Harry Styles Harry's House 02/06/22 1 3 3 114,400 714,400 Adele 30 02/12/21 2 4 4 108,000 503,400 Olivia Rodrigo Sour 03/06/21 3 5 5 102,800 188,400 Little Mix Between Us 25/11/21 3 6 6 95,600 95,600 Weeknd Dawn FM 20/01/22 1 7 7 90,800 794,000 Fleetwood Mac 50 Years: Don't Stop 29/11/18 6 8 8 89,400 280,200 Weeknd Highlights 18/02/21 9 9 9 88,400 2,655,600 Eminem Curtain Call - Greatest Hits 10/12/05 6 10 10 87,400 3,910,800 Ed Sheeran ÷ 16/03/17 8 11 11 80,600 954,200 Elton John Diamonds 23/11/17 7 12 12 76,000 2,535,600 Queen Greatest Hits 07/11/81 13 13 15 74,000 5,299,200 Abba Gold - Greatest Hits 03/10/92 9 14 13 73,600 221,400 Doja Cat Planet Her 08/07/21 12 15 14 71,200 264,600 Dave We're All Alone In This Together 05/08/21 5 16 N 70,200 70,200 Liam Gallagher C-Mon You Know 09/06/22 1 17 16 70,200 612,000 Harry Styles Fine Line 20/12/19 6 18 18 65,800 1,463,000 Oasis Time Flies : 1994-2009 26/06/10 15 19 17 65,600 65,600 Central Cee 23 10/03/22 1 20 19 62,200 109,800 D-Block Europe Home Alone 2 02/12/21 6 21 20 62,000 160,800 Sam Fender Seventeen Going Under 21/10/21 13 22 21 60,800 554,800 Dua Lipa Future Nostalgia 09/04/20 16 23 22 60,800 2,067,800 Fleetwood Mac Rumours 26/02/77 13 24 23 58,800 58,800 Years & Years Night Call 03/02/22 1 25 24 58,800 1,532,200 Arctic Monkeys AM 21/09/13 21 26 25 57,200 199,800 Drake Certified Lover Boy 16/09/21 22 27 26 54,800 3,797,800 Beatles 1 25/11/00 23 28 27 54,800 3,006,800 Michael Jackson Number Ones 29/11/03 25 29 28 53,600 1,318,000 Lewis Capaldi Divinely Uninspired To A Hellish Extent 30/05/19 28 30 30 51,600 2,909,800 Bob Marley Legend 31 29 50,800 388,600 Dave Psychodrama 21/03/19 7 32 31 49,400 186,400 Whitney Houston I Will Always Love You : Best Of 01/12/12 27 33 32 48,400 441,800 Pop Smoke Shoot For The Stars… 17/07/20 32 34 33 48,000 48,000 Wet Leg Wet Leg 21/04/22 1 35 35 47,200 500,000 Maroon 5 Singles 03/12/15 36 36 36 46,800 736,000 David Bowie Legacy 24/11/16 19 37 38 46,800 4,888,000 Oasis (What's The Story) Morning Glory? 14/10/95 30 38 34 46,400 161,800 Taylor Swift Red (Taylor's Version) 25/11/21 14 39 39 46,400 849,200 Dua Lipa Dua Lipa 15/06/17 29 40 40 46,400 1,473,000 Taylor Swift 1989 08/11/14 35 |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 8, 2022 13:07:14 GMT -5
Up to #4 in today's update, but with very low sales: 4,378 Indeed the declining of physical album sales is huge for everybody. It's all About streaming. He will probably be #1 on sales this Week. His first week numbers were incredibly high for a 49 Years old rock act. He's at #16 in the bestseller albums of the year with just One week: Albums Pos LW YTD Total Artist Title New Hst 1 1 210,000 642,600 Ed Sheeran = 11/11/21 1 2 2 149,200 149,200 Harry Styles Harry's House 02/06/22 1 3 3 114,400 714,400 Adele 30 02/12/21 2 4 4 108,000 503,400 Olivia Rodrigo Sour 03/06/21 3 5 5 102,800 188,400 Little Mix Between Us 25/11/21 3 6 6 95,600 95,600 Weeknd Dawn FM 20/01/22 1 7 7 90,800 794,000 Fleetwood Mac 50 Years: Don't Stop 29/11/18 6 8 8 89,400 280,200 Weeknd Highlights 18/02/21 9 9 9 88,400 2,655,600 Eminem Curtain Call - Greatest Hits 10/12/05 6 10 10 87,400 3,910,800 Ed Sheeran ÷ 16/03/17 8 11 11 80,600 954,200 Elton John Diamonds 23/11/17 7 12 12 76,000 2,535,600 Queen Greatest Hits 07/11/81 13 13 15 74,000 5,299,200 Abba Gold - Greatest Hits 03/10/92 9 14 13 73,600 221,400 Doja Cat Planet Her 08/07/21 12 15 14 71,200 264,600 Dave We're All Alone In This Together 05/08/21 5 16 N 70,200 70,200 Liam Gallagher C-Mon You Know 09/06/22 1 17 16 70,200 612,000 Harry Styles Fine Line 20/12/19 6 18 18 65,800 1,463,000 Oasis Time Flies : 1994-2009 26/06/10 15 19 17 65,600 65,600 Central Cee 23 10/03/22 1 20 19 62,200 109,800 D-Block Europe Home Alone 2 02/12/21 6 21 20 62,000 160,800 Sam Fender Seventeen Going Under 21/10/21 13 22 21 60,800 554,800 Dua Lipa Future Nostalgia 09/04/20 16 23 22 60,800 2,067,800 Fleetwood Mac Rumours 26/02/77 13 24 23 58,800 58,800 Years & Years Night Call 03/02/22 1 25 24 58,800 1,532,200 Arctic Monkeys AM 21/09/13 21 26 25 57,200 199,800 Drake Certified Lover Boy 16/09/21 22 27 26 54,800 3,797,800 Beatles 1 25/11/00 23 28 27 54,800 3,006,800 Michael Jackson Number Ones 29/11/03 25 29 28 53,600 1,318,000 Lewis Capaldi Divinely Uninspired To A Hellish Extent 30/05/19 28 30 30 51,600 2,909,800 Bob Marley Legend 31 29 50,800 388,600 Dave Psychodrama 21/03/19 7 32 31 49,400 186,400 Whitney Houston I Will Always Love You : Best Of 01/12/12 27 33 32 48,400 441,800 Pop Smoke Shoot For The Stars… 17/07/20 32 34 33 48,000 48,000 Wet Leg Wet Leg 21/04/22 1 35 35 47,200 500,000 Maroon 5 Singles 03/12/15 36 36 36 46,800 736,000 David Bowie Legacy 24/11/16 19 37 38 46,800 4,888,000 Oasis (What's The Story) Morning Glory? 14/10/95 30 38 34 46,400 161,800 Taylor Swift Red (Taylor's Version) 25/11/21 14 39 39 46,400 849,200 Dua Lipa Dua Lipa 15/06/17 29 40 40 46,400 1,473,000 Taylor Swift 1989 08/11/14 35 Yeah, you're right physical album sales are declining and it's great that Liam had such high sales in the first week. But hopefully he'll still be in the top 5 on Friday and also both the Gallagher's usually do well in the vinyl charts. |
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Post by jh on Jun 8, 2022 13:20:38 GMT -5
Yeah, to me Better Days didn't sound that good when it was first released as a single but listening to it on the album it sounds so much better. [br My other half said she wasn't keen on Better Days when heard on radio...but loved the Adidas live version. I am glad his live output has been as good if not better than the album. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 8, 2022 13:21:39 GMT -5
I still don’t like how the charts “count” a certain number of streams as an “album sold”. That seems kinda fake and misleading. You either own something or you don’t. It’s almost like the charts need two lists. Which I guess they have now but it’s so confusing the way it’s talked about and naturally people just care about the streaming stuff.
Physical sales/downloads chart
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Streaming chart
So many of todays pop acts aren’t actually pushing any products. It’s just massive stream numbers.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 8, 2022 13:29:04 GMT -5
Yeah, to me Better Days didn't sound that good when it was first released as a single but listening to it on the album it sounds so much better. [br My other half said she wasn't keen on Better Days when heard on radio...but loved the Adidas live version. I am glad his live output has been as good if not better than the album. I think it's because of that Chemical Brothers sound which put me off a bit at first. But the song has grown on me massively. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 8, 2022 13:31:31 GMT -5
I still don’t like how the charts “count” a certain number of streams as an “album sold”. That seems kinda fake and misleading. You either own something or you don’t. It’s almost like the charts need two lists. Which I guess they have now but it’s so confusing the way it’s talked about and naturally people just care about the streaming stuff. Physical sales/downloads chart and Streaming chart So many of todays pop acts aren’t actually pushing any products. It’s just massive stream numbers. Yeah, I agree with you, I admit that I stream music all the time but I still buy every Gallagher release going unless of course some of the single releases are stream only. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 8, 2022 13:43:48 GMT -5
I still don’t like how the charts “count” a certain number of streams as an “album sold”. That seems kinda fake and misleading. You either own something or you don’t. It’s almost like the charts need two lists. Which I guess they have now but it’s so confusing the way it’s talked about and naturally people just care about the streaming stuff. Physical sales/downloads chart and Streaming chart So many of todays pop acts aren’t actually pushing any products. It’s just massive stream numbers. Yeah, I agree with you, I admit that I stream music all the time but I still buy every Gallagher release going unless of course some of the single releases are stream only. And sadly I feel that older rock band acts can score high on the charts still because their legions of fans will always buy their physical albums. I fear what it would be like if they just went off streams. It’s a brave (scary) new world out there. |
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Post by chamu on Jun 8, 2022 14:03:52 GMT -5
I still don’t like how the charts “count” a certain number of streams as an “album sold”. That seems kinda fake and misleading. You either own something or you don’t. It’s almost like the charts need two lists. Which I guess they have now but it’s so confusing the way it’s talked about and naturally people just care about the streaming stuff. Physical sales/downloads chart and Streaming chart So many of todays pop acts aren’t actually pushing any products. It’s just massive stream numbers. Yeah, it's a fake chart for me too. But sadly it's the Future and every year is even worse. The UK official chart counts physical sales, downloads and streaming. The streaming formula is really difficult to explain or understand it. Then they have three individual lists for streaming, download and physical too. Just two examples: Liam last week: 01 70,261 Liam Gallagher - C'MON YOU KNOW [32,797 CDs, 29,558 vinyls, 659 cassettes, 3,096 downloads, 4,151 streaming] Harry Styles - number 1 this week until today's update: 01 Harry Styles - Harry's House (14,555) [10,313 streaming, 3,821 physical, 421 downloads |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 8, 2022 14:07:12 GMT -5
I still don’t like how the charts “count” a certain number of streams as an “album sold”. That seems kinda fake and misleading. You either own something or you don’t. It’s almost like the charts need two lists. Which I guess they have now but it’s so confusing the way it’s talked about and naturally people just care about the streaming stuff. Physical sales/downloads chart and Streaming chart So many of todays pop acts aren’t actually pushing any products. It’s just massive stream numbers. Yeah, it's a fake chart for me too. But sadly it's the Future and every year is even worse. The UK official chart counts physical sales, downloads and streaming. The streaming formula is really difficult to explain or understand it. Then they have three individual lists for streaming, download and physical too. Just two examples: Liam last week: 01 70,261 Liam Gallagher - C'MON YOU KNOW [32,797 CDs, 29,558 vinyls, 659 cassettes, 3,096 downloads, 4,151 streaming] Harry Styles - number 1 this week until today's update: 01 Harry Styles - Harry's House (14,555) [10,313 streaming, 3,821 physical, 421 downloads Yeah 659 cassettes!!!!! |
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Post by elephantstone93 on Jun 8, 2022 14:13:55 GMT -5
After a couple of weeks still loving it. More Power my favourite. Really like it.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 8, 2022 14:27:20 GMT -5
The opening numbers were high because of Knebworth pre-order strategy–a very smart strategy but they were never likely to stay that way barring a couple of massive hit songs (which did not happen). Just being realistic here. It's still an achievement.
As for streams, that reflects the way young people actually consume music now. The charts aren't "fake." (Such weird times we live in where if something isn't the way you like it, it's now a conspiracy.) They'd be fake if they didn't account for the way the industry works in 2022. Can't turn back time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2022 15:31:58 GMT -5
I'm not young and I listen to my music on Spotify these days. I don't even have a cd player anymore.
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Post by mancraider on Jun 8, 2022 15:51:54 GMT -5
I think streaming being a part of chart position feels more jarring in UK where, as far as I know, (and feel free to correct me of my memories are incorrect) charts were traditionaly calculated purely on sales. In US radio play was always a factor therefore counting streams seems more natural and just a reaction to the changing way people consume music
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 8, 2022 16:05:12 GMT -5
The opening numbers were high because of Knebworth pre-order strategy–a very smart strategy but they were never likely to stay that way barring a couple of massive hit songs (which did not happen). Just being realistic here. It's still an achievement. As for streams, that reflects the way young people actually consume music now. The charts aren't "fake." (Such weird times we live in where if something isn't the way you like it, it's now a conspiracy.) They'd be fake if they didn't account for the way the industry works in 2022. Can't turn back time. No conspiracy here. Just sharing thoughts. It’s fake in that it’s presented as album sold in some ways when in fact it’s mostly streams. I just have a hard time believing that 1,500 streams of an album equal 1 unit sold or whatever the ratio is. That seems silly to me. I also know that Spotify don’t pay shit for streaming royalties unless you are a huge mega superstar with billions of streams. I feel bad for all these emerging artists under this system. Sure record sale rates were great but they were miles better than what is happening now. |
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Post by heathenchemist01 on Jun 8, 2022 16:05:32 GMT -5
I'm not young and I listen to my music on Spotify these days. I don't even have a cd player anymore. I am still young but Spotify is not for me. I understand and respect why many people use it but at this point I'm not having it. I still love to buy CDs but I admit that it's getting a bit difficult now that some electronics markets have started to eliminate CDs from their product range. I don't doubt nowadays charts but unless we're talking about how well any Oasis/Gallagher-related music is received, I can't even bother to look them up. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 8, 2022 16:51:21 GMT -5
The opening numbers were high because of Knebworth pre-order strategy–a very smart strategy but they were never likely to stay that way barring a couple of massive hit songs (which did not happen). Just being realistic here. It's still an achievement. As for streams, that reflects the way young people actually consume music now. The charts aren't "fake." (Such weird times we live in where if something isn't the way you like it, it's now a conspiracy.) They'd be fake if they didn't account for the way the industry works in 2022. Can't turn back time. No conspiracy here. Just sharing thoughts. It’s fake in that it’s presented as album sold in some ways when in fact it’s mostly streams. I just have a hard time believing that 1,500 streams of an album equal 1 unit sold or whatever the ratio is. That seems silly to me. I also know that Spotify don’t pay shit for streaming royalties unless you are a huge mega superstar with billions of streams. I feel bad for all these emerging artists under this system. Sure record sale rates were great but they were miles better than what is happening now.
The way people look at it in the industry is that streams are a form of sales. And this is true. They're just paid for in a completely different manner (and yes, a far worse manner for all artists).
Technology comes along and industries adapt to them not the other way around. Nobody foresaw Spotify when the record charts were originally designed in the early 20th Century, but now it would be absolute lunacy to not include the primary way that music is consumed. If you didn't include streams it wouldn't reflect reality, which seems a pretty central problem. You can quibble about the formula, of course, but they had to come up with some method.
I myself do not even support Spotify (despite the convenience, I don't use it because I believe it is unfair to bands, especially emerging bands, and it bothers me.) But that's besides the point about charts. The charts are reflecting what the people most want to listen to -- that's the whole reason they exist. Physical sales alone would not do that at all.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 8, 2022 17:09:54 GMT -5
Charts are only interesting because they show us what music people are listening to. No-one is interested in the charts because they show which label manages to shift the most product and turn a good quarter for our reptilian overlords, they're interested to know which music is popular that week. People stream music now. If anything, 1500 actual listens to an album only being counted as equivalent to one physical purchase which might get five plays and then sit on a shelf for the rest of the week is way too generous. I can look at an EMI spreadsheet if I want to know about units. The whole discussion is a bit of a dusted thing now, though, anyway - the charts as a cultural cornerstone is heavily reduced. People of my generation just listen to what they listen to, could switch from goth-metal to Ariana Grande at the flick of their thumb, and the charts just doesn't enter their head.
In any case, the reason it's so cool Liam keeps getting #1 is because it shows people are listening.
He doesn't need a bias for physical sales, he just puts out music and people listen to it in the ways they will.
Because he's the bollocks.
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 8, 2022 17:56:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you, I admit that I stream music all the time but I still buy every Gallagher release going unless of course some of the single releases are stream only. And sadly I feel that older rock band acts can score high on the charts still because their legions of fans will always buy their physical albums. I fear what it would be like if they just went off streams. It’s a brave (scary) new world out there. That's true and older rock bands will always score high on the charts and sometimes even get to number one. It's a horrible thought if the charts were just based on streams. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Jun 8, 2022 18:58:34 GMT -5
And sadly I feel that older rock band acts can score high on the charts still because their legions of fans will always buy their physical albums. I fear what it would be like if they just went off streams. It’s a brave (scary) new world out there. That's true and older rock bands will always score high on the charts and sometimes even get to number one. It's a horrible thought if the charts were just based on streams. Yeah #1 albums are still tough, as its hard to beat the billions of streams some young acts get. But top 3 albums are, if anything, easier for older acts than they used to be. However, it does also mean the albums will enter at their peak and likely only last 3 or 4 weeks on the chart. Also plenty of older acts will be at #1 in midweek due to physical pre-orders, then fall to #2 or #3 as they’re overtaken by streams. A recent example this year was Tears for Fears, who ultimately reached #2 after being top in midweek. However given the sales decline, I totally believe CYK wouldve reached #1 even without the Knebworth pre-sale thing. Maybe not sold as many, but probably still about 45-50k. His audience is still big enough. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 8, 2022 19:33:55 GMT -5
The whole discussion is a bit of a dusted thing now, though, anyway - the charts as a cultural cornerstone is heavily reduced. People of my generation just listen to what they listen to, could switch from goth-metal to Ariana Grande at the flick of their thumb, and the charts just doesn't enter their head.
^^^ This exactly. It's mainly an industry metric meant for record companies and agents and that ilk, people who are basing clout on market share. If anything, ticket sales is more the competition these days.
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Post by Manualex on Jun 8, 2022 20:32:43 GMT -5
And sadly I feel that older rock band acts can score high on the charts still because their legions of fans will always buy their physical albums. I fear what it would be like if they just went off streams. It’s a brave (scary) new world out there. That's true and older rock bands will always score high on the charts and sometimes even get to number one. It's a horrible thought if the charts were just based on streams. MSP would've never hit #1 on the album charts for the second time(the first in like two decades) without their loyal fan base buying their new record. But, yeah rock albums enter high and then fall hard after a few weeks. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 8, 2022 20:41:50 GMT -5
The whole discussion is a bit of a dusted thing now, though, anyway - the charts as a cultural cornerstone is heavily reduced. People of my generation just listen to what they listen to, could switch from goth-metal to Ariana Grande at the flick of their thumb, and the charts just doesn't enter their head. ^^^ This exactly. It's mainly an industry metric meant for record companies and agents and that ilk, people who are basing clout on market share. If anything, ticket sales is more the competition these days.
It's also used as a "badge of honor" around these parts................. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 9, 2022 1:15:09 GMT -5
^^^ This exactly. It's mainly an industry metric meant for record companies and agents and that ilk, people who are basing clout on market share. If anything, ticket sales is more the competition these days.
It's also used as a "badge of honor" around these parts.................
Indeed!
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jun 9, 2022 1:15:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2022 7:28:37 GMT -5
I'm not young and I listen to my music on Spotify these days. I don't even have a cd player anymore. I am still young but Spotify is not for me. I understand and respect why many people use it but at this point I'm not having it. I still love to buy CDs but I admit that it's getting a bit difficult now that some electronics markets have started to eliminate CDs from their product range. I don't doubt nowadays charts but unless we're talking about how well any Oasis/Gallagher-related music is received, I can't even bother to look them up. I understand not wanting to use Spotify too. Some day I'll buy a record player and start collecting old vinyls from flea markets. |
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