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Post by LlAM on Sept 6, 2019 14:04:01 GMT -5
use some facts then. Not opinions on a career slump. 100% my position. I love facts.  And you also love concluding funny things from those facts 😉 |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2019 14:58:54 GMT -5
use some facts then. Not opinions on a career slump. 100% my position. I love facts. Yes yes your facts about chart rules. Last we saw Noel he was coming off a #1 album that sold just as well as his previous album CY. He also was coming off his best charting and lasting single at 3 months with Holy Mountain. A song so many people on this forum said didn't do well. Simply not true. He also did his biggest touring yet around the world. People came and people enjoyed. So now we are in late 2019. All we know is that BSD wasn't eligible for the UK single chart since its over the 25 min mark (27 min). We do not know if a 3 song EP was registered to count towards the album chart. Wouldn't make sense for Noel to do that since most albums have 10+ tracks. Its currently an unknown thing which hardly proves your point about Noel in a chart slump or whatever mumbo jumbo you were spitting out. |
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Post by MONO on Sept 6, 2019 15:05:46 GMT -5
All we know is that BSD wasn't eligible for the UK single chart since its over the 25 min mark (27 min). No. Fact. I LOVE them What we also know is... Hint: BSD EP, album charts. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2019 15:10:13 GMT -5
All we know is that BSD wasn't eligible for the UK single chart since its over the 25 min mark (27 min). No. Fact. I LOVE them What we also know is... Hint: BSD EP, album charts. Yes yes we know but we still don't know if he registered it. You don't know that and neither do I. |
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Sept 6, 2019 17:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by thehyperbolist on Sept 6, 2019 18:04:22 GMT -5
I can’t decide if this thread is either unintentionally hilarious or just sad.
From the perspective of an American in Texas, there is no backlash.
Both Noel’s and Liam’s solo careers are relatively insignificant here so there’s really nothing to backlash against. Quasi-cult acts.
Saw Noel in Dallas, and I was actually surprised at the enthusiastic reception he received for his new material and the old Oasis stuff.
People were actually standing and into Holy Mountain.
Of course, the Smashing Pumpkins blew him off the stage and were received like heroes. SP vs the solo performance of the guitarist/songwriter of a UK band with two or three big hits in the 90’s.
No contest. That said, I thought he was better and SP a bit monotonous and tiresome.
Outside this forum, the UK and a few pockets of people elsewhere, no one gives one sh*t about this topic.
I just hope Noel will write some better songs (than the EP material) and that Liam will continue to utilize the army of industry pros that he has wisely surrounded himself with!
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Post by fiv3oclocksh4dow on Sept 6, 2019 18:23:09 GMT -5
I saw Noel a couple of nights ago with Smashing Pumpkins, to be honest, Smashing Pumpkins blew him out of the water in every way. I have a feeling that after this tour, he may be more open to considering an Oasis reunion. I think if the brothers were to incorporate some of their best new material into a live show, they both might find some common ground. I don’t care what Noel says about loving playing his new stuff for himself, somewhere deep down, he’s gotta hate not having the reception he once had from his fans. The crowds went absolutely nuts for Smashing Pumpkins right after he left the stage, and this was a city that really showed up for Noel. Something tells me that he must really hate being upstaged by “wild Billy Corgan.” be careful giving an honest assessment such as this. you are liable to be accused of being a "liam fanboy". or wait a couple replies for the "its all about the music" or "noel's always been a dick, blah, blah". the pumpkins were so much better it wasnt even close. I’ve supported Noel as an artist through every album release, solo or not. I still bought his new album and listen to it fairly often. There are a few bangers on it Black & White Sunshine, If Love is the Law, The Man Who Built the Moon, Dead in the Water, Sail On, hell, I even like Black Star Dancing. But, after seeing him twice recently during these album (last year) and EP (about a month ago) tours, I just don’t get excited anymore about his love concerts. He doesn’t really play anything I personally love, save for Black Star Dancing, and the odd Oasis tune. He doesn’t play any of his best b sides from his new stuff, and he never plays any of the top songs on WBTM, except Holy Mountain, and it’s just ok. Watching the Pumpkins play, I’d almost forgotten how much I could enjoy a live concert by a band from the 90’s. I think Smashing Pumpkins are one of the few 90’s acts that I could really say have a back catalogue as strong as Oasis’s is. Their show was just spectacular, and they dug out some really good old tracks. Of course there were songs I would have loved them to play, but it proves that if you do a good job of selecting from your vast collection of great songs, you can still sound fresh. Noel is fooling himself if he thinks crowds in the US are into this type of music. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 6, 2019 18:28:46 GMT -5
Its as infuriating the other way. Yet it became the norm and accepted as fact that Beady Eye are shit. When plenty on here enjoy their music. Cant see why anyone gets annoyed when Noel now gets it back. Big difference between a few people here banging pots and pans about Noel failing. Beady Eye had it on this site, in the media, on their tours, in the charts and even Liam dumping on it at the end. He quit because he couldn't stand being in a band with a small following and poor sales. Thats not an opinion. That is a fact. Do sales = how good you are? You're basically saying anyone who slagged off Beady Eye are right and anyone who slags off Noel is wrong because its what you think. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 6, 2019 18:32:30 GMT -5
Its as infuriating the other way. Yet it became the norm and accepted as fact that Beady Eye are shit. When plenty on here enjoy their music. Cant see why anyone gets annoyed when Noel now gets it back. Big difference between a few people here banging pots and pans about Noel failing. Beady Eye had it on this site, in the media, on their tours, in the charts and even Liam dumping on it at the end. He quit because he couldn't stand being in a band with a small following and poor sales. Thats not an opinion. That is a fact. They had the following of a decent sized indie band throughout. The first album did alright and had good reviews. Then Noel came along and filled an Oasis void by playing half Oasis songs in his set and a bunch of decent anthems he'd saved for a solo project. Now Liam has come back and is doing them songs, hes selling more albums and doing gigs the High Flying Birds will never achieve. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2019 19:14:44 GMT -5
Big difference between a few people here banging pots and pans about Noel failing. Beady Eye had it on this site, in the media, on their tours, in the charts and even Liam dumping on it at the end. He quit because he couldn't stand being in a band with a small following and poor sales. Thats not an opinion. That is a fact. Do sales = how good you are? You're basically saying anyone who slagged off Beady Eye are right and anyone who slags off Noel is wrong because its what you think. No they certainly don’t. I was responding to others saying Noel has hit a critical and sales backlash. Most people stated their opinions and not actual facts. That’s all I did. State facts. Nothing more. Nothing less. If people could back up this Noel slide with decent info all the power to them. Until then it’s a smear campaign. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 6, 2019 19:22:58 GMT -5
Do sales = how good you are? You're basically saying anyone who slagged off Beady Eye are right and anyone who slags off Noel is wrong because its what you think. No they certainly don’t. I was responding to others saying Noel has hit a critical and sales backlash. Most people stated their opinions and not actual facts. That’s all I did. State facts. Nothing more. Nothing less. If people could back up this Noel slide with decent info all the power to them. Until then it’s a smear campaign. To be perfectly honest, i think its simply from the position he was in - back in consistent form that we hadn't seen since 97, warm and funny in interviews and playing all those Oasis tunes when we were all without them. Now hes become unrecognizable from the person 8 years ago. His music isnt as well received (going from the fanbase i see on here and across other platforms) and his interviews and comments are given a complete backlash by the fans. That last point is probably the biggest. Hes always had the fans on side. Even when you've always had the haters from the general public, the fans have always "got" him. That isn't there for him anymore. That, alongside the fact Liam is filling that oasis void now, and being successful, all plays into why people are summarising Noel isnt in the position he was. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 6, 2019 19:24:36 GMT -5
No they certainly don’t. I was responding to others saying Noel has hit a critical and sales backlash. Most people stated their opinions and not actual facts. That’s all I did. State facts. Nothing more. Nothing less. If people could back up this Noel slide with decent info all the power to them. Until then it’s a smear campaign. To be perfectly honest, i think its simply from the position he was in - back in consistent form that we hadn't seen since 97, warm and funny in interviews and playing all those Oasis tunes when we were all without them. Now hes become unrecognizable from the person 8 years ago. His music isnt as well received (going from the fanbase i see on here and across other platforms) and his interviews and comments are given a complete backlash by the fans. That last point is probably the biggest. Hes always had the fans on side. Even when you've always had the haters from the general public, the fans have always "got" him. That isn't there for him anymore. That, alongside the fact Liam is filling that oasis void now, and being successful, all plays into why people are summarising Noel isnt in the position he was. Well he had a good draw on his US tour last month. We shall see if his next UK tour sells well or album. Until then it’s only speculation. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 6, 2019 19:30:57 GMT -5
To be perfectly honest, i think its simply from the position he was in - back in consistent form that we hadn't seen since 97, warm and funny in interviews and playing all those Oasis tunes when we were all without them. Now hes become unrecognizable from the person 8 years ago. His music isnt as well received (going from the fanbase i see on here and across other platforms) and his interviews and comments are given a complete backlash by the fans. That last point is probably the biggest. Hes always had the fans on side. Even when you've always had the haters from the general public, the fans have always "got" him. That isn't there for him anymore. That, alongside the fact Liam is filling that oasis void now, and being successful, all plays into why people are summarising Noel isnt in the position he was. Well he had a good draw on his US tour last month. We shall see if his next UK tour sells well or album. Until then it’s only speculation. Agreed, but theres been a very obvious shift in the way hes now perceived. Thats what people are getting at in this thread. I think Noel Gallagher will always be a decent pull. Noel Gallagher doing a few Oasis songs is enough to fill arenas (albeit not as quickly or as impressively as he was at the start) but thats no good if the crowd are awkwardly silent through all your new material and waiting for the Oasis/earlier HFB stuff. Especially earlier in the tour when he played about 6 new songs at the beginning. Complete atmosphere killer. |
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Post by doctorwho on Sept 6, 2019 19:36:20 GMT -5
I can’t decide if this thread is either unintentionally hilarious or just sad. From the perspective of an American in Texas, there is no backlash. Both Noel’s and Liam’s solo careers are relatively insignificant here so there’s really nothing to backlash against. Quasi-cult acts. Saw Noel in Dallas, and I was actually surprised at the enthusiastic reception he received for his new material and the old Oasis stuff. People were actually standing and into Holy Mountain. Of course, the Smashing Pumpkins blew him off the stage and were received like heroes. SP vs the solo performance of the guitarist/songwriter of a UK band with two or three big hits in the 90’s. No contest. That said, I thought he was better and SP a bit monotonous and tiresome. Outside this forum, the UK and a few pockets of people elsewhere, no one gives one sh*t about this topic. I just hope Noel will write some better songs (than the EP material) and that Liam will continue to utilize the army of industry pros that he has wisely surrounded himself with! What point is that to make? Outside this thread and UK this topic is pointless? Good job im in this thread and UK then? Excuse me while i go onto a Doctor Who forum and tell them that outside their thread and country no one gives a shit about Season 25 of a tv series that has only just become big around the world and no one gave a shit in the 80s when Star Trek had bettee CGI |
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Post by MONO on Sept 7, 2019 4:06:00 GMT -5
No. Fact. I LOVE them What we also know is... Hint: BSD EP, album charts. Yes yes we know but we still don't know if he registered it. You don't know that and neither do I. Why do you always beat around the bush? You emphasise that "we only know" it wasn't eligible for the single charts, but regarding the album charts you only point out that he may not have registered it without mentioning that it was eligible.
Fact: The BSD EP wasn't eligible for the UK single charts Fact: The BSD EP was eligible for the UK album charts Fact: We don't know f he registered it for the UK single charts Fact: We don't know f he registered it for the UK album charts Many thanks to the friendly user who brought up these facts and teached other members things they didn't know before. I was responding to others saying Noel has hit a critical and sales backlash. Oh, now it was critical. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 7, 2019 5:18:19 GMT -5
Sigh
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Post by LlAM on Sept 7, 2019 6:01:12 GMT -5
Aka... What A Thread!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 7, 2019 9:38:25 GMT -5
Yes yes we know but we still don't know if he registered it. You don't know that and neither do I. Why do you always beat around the bush? You emphasise that "we only know" it wasn't eligible for the single charts, but regarding the album charts you only point out that he may not have registered it without mentioning that it was eligible.
Fact: The BSD EP wasn't eligible for the UK single charts Fact: The BSD EP was eligible for the UK album charts Fact: We don't know f he registered it for the UK single charts Fact: We don't know f he registered it for the UK album charts Many thanks to the friendly user who brought up these facts and teached other members things they didn't know before. I was responding to others saying Noel has hit a critical and sales backlash. Oh, now it was critical. I said both going way back in this thread. The reviews since MOON came out were all mostly positives from the media. But people are locking more into sales so I’ve been focusing on that. |
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Post by blkc on Sept 7, 2019 9:59:15 GMT -5
I can’t decide if this thread is either unintentionally hilarious or just sad. From the perspective of an American in Texas, there is no backlash. Both Noel’s and Liam’s solo careers are relatively insignificant here so there’s really nothing to backlash against. Quasi-cult acts. Saw Noel in Dallas, and I was actually surprised at the enthusiastic reception he received for his new material and the old Oasis stuff. People were actually standing and into Holy Mountain. Of course, the Smashing Pumpkins blew him off the stage and were received like heroes. SP vs the solo performance of the guitarist/songwriter of a UK band with two or three big hits in the 90’s. No contest. That said, I thought he was better and SP a bit monotonous and tiresome. Outside this forum, the UK and a few pockets of people elsewhere, no one gives one sh*t about this topic. I just hope Noel will write some better songs (than the EP material) and that Liam will continue to utilize the army of industry pros that he has wisely surrounded himself with! It's nice to have a different perspective on this, I also find funny to read about this backlash thing and how Liam is now so much bigger than Noel... Sure in the UK he's more popular at the moment, not denying that, but in the rest of the world I really don't think so and there's probably more fans outside of the UK or at least as much. It's true that in most countries their career is insignificant and unnoticed, none of them can pretend to be big out of a few countries, they're doing great sure, but they're both at the same level more or less globally, just by looking at what kind of places they play it's not hard to tell. Using one or a few numbers or impressions to make a global conclusion to claim that there's a backlash doesn't make sense. For example, I'm using Deezer which is a Spotify like app mostly used in France . On Deezer, Noel has 144 766 fans , Liam only 41 660... With these numbers I could claim that Noel is definitely more popular, but I know that it's not relevant. I don't think that anyone is able to cross all the datas of all the different ways to listen to music to state something definitive. I don't like Liam new stuff and really like what Noel is doing, just like the perfect opposite of you  , but in the end that's just our tastes and the good thing is that at least we have music for everyone with them doing different things, we should all be happy for this instead of speculating on the fall of one or the other as some do ^^ |
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Post by shannee on Sept 7, 2019 11:56:00 GMT -5
I agree with the poster above that internationally Noel is still much better known and sells more albums and larger venues than Liam. This so-called backlash is completely centered around Liams twitter and a handful of SM posters that are basically regurgitations of Liam’s Twitter. It reminds me of how in the 90s nme and mm would manufacture a band’s stardom or fall. It’s easy to do in such an insulated world as the U.K. music scene.
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Post by MONO on Sept 7, 2019 12:22:06 GMT -5
I said both going way back in this thread. Fine. The reviews since MOON came out were all mostly positives from the media. But people are locking more into sales so I’ve been focusing on that. Right, this is not about reviews. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 7, 2019 12:40:39 GMT -5
I said both going way back in this thread. Fine. The reviews since MOON came out were all mostly positives from the media. But people are locking more into sales so I’ve been focusing on that. Right, this is not about reviews. Correct and you’ve proven nothing on the sales front. Do 3 track EPs top album charts? Is that a thing? |
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Post by smash on Sept 7, 2019 12:49:40 GMT -5
The backlash grows in my heart.
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Post by MONO on Sept 7, 2019 12:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 7, 2019 13:02:33 GMT -5
I think you’d find the same trends for the majority of artists and bands. Everyone is mostly in decline. Music isn’t selling what it once was. These are hardly bad numbers of a backlash. Sure they are less but still healthy healthy figures overall. You like many in this thread act like his music is debuting at like #30 and leaving the charts soon after with zero traction or care from fans. He’s still a big draw. |
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, but in the end that's just our tastes and the good thing is that at least we have music for everyone with them doing different things, we should all be happy for this instead of speculating on the fall of one or the other as some do ^^
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