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Post by Wolf on Aug 21, 2019 17:57:18 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm looking too much into this on social media and posts on here to an extent, but the backlash against Noel is reaching its peak from what I can see.
Every comment and reaction on his new video is pretty unanimously in the "this is shit" camp.
In fact I haven't seen a lot of positive reaction to anything he has done since Chasing Yesterday. With WBTM I remember this place was completely divided and people HATED Holy Mountain.
I don't really think Noel has gone that "far out" if you can call it that, he's dipping a bit into different genres of music and seeing what happens. So, is the consensus among Oasis fans that he's shit until he goes back to what he is know for, or is it because of the whole Noel / Liam divide, with fans being more favourable towards Liam?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 19:01:10 GMT -5
I never bash either of the brothers on this forum, but I have something to contribute to this discussion. I’m one of those fans that was born after DM and MG, and I’ve grown up listening to rock and roll records and some metal stuff too. When Noel talks about my demographic that “wants him to stay in 1995 forever” I get kinda defensive but it’s honestly somewhat true. I consider myself open to new stuff musically, but I listen to this new “cosmic pop” stuff and it just isn’t for me outside of holy mountain and a couple of the other tunes off WBTM. I was born around the time of SOTSOG and while I never got to experience the climb to fame during the 90s, I’ve seen all the big concerts on YouTube, watched all the interviews, gone to the solo gigs, etc. Like I said, I’m open to this new stuff but I really wish he’d reunite the band, come on stage with a Union Jack guitar and exclaim “this ones called Columbia!” Is this fantasy kinda selfish and exactly what Noel hates? Yea. But, At least there’s a bunch of us still listening and giving this new stuff a chance. Kinda sucks to see all the backlash, seeing as this is one of my musical heroes and the songwriter for some of the most impactful songs in my life.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 21, 2019 19:21:40 GMT -5
Here is the thing about the internet, look up anything or anyone, you will find backlash everywhere. Social media is just a torture party.
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Post by alanjwhite on Aug 21, 2019 19:47:17 GMT -5
Social media is often not real life. I like Noel’s new stuff just fine.
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Post by sjc8 on Aug 21, 2019 19:51:58 GMT -5
when oasis broke up i was totally neutral. the longer it has gone on the more i have shifted towards liam's camp. i am now solidly in liams camp. whatever backlash has happened is solely down to noels attitude and actions. people arent mad at noel not getting oasis back together. they are mad that he is shitting on his fans and the bands legacy.
another poster here said it best when they said he now has "outward contempt for his fans". even when i saw his show last month he was trolling oasis fans by saying oasis fans would love this next song and then launching into black star. like what is the purpose of that? its almost as if he wants people to dislike him.
plus his new music sucks. full stop. he shits on "be here now" but that album is miles better than anything he has done solo. his first two solo records are pretty tight though.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Aug 21, 2019 20:06:09 GMT -5
The music might not even be received half as badly if Noel had a better attitude as of late and didn't push out half-assed videos. Like I get Noel hates music videos. So don't participate in them and hire someone to do a decent job. They don't always have to feature the band. Hell, the best vids have a story behind them of some sort and feature actors.
Telling me Noel can't get Martin Freeman or somebody to star in a music video? Noel isn't even trying and the fans are very aware.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 21, 2019 21:08:31 GMT -5
People are getting too worked up over music videos, in concert jokes and Noel being grumpy cat. He’s been like that since he got off the drugs man. That’s almost 20 years. I find it all very very amusing.
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Post by Marissa on Aug 21, 2019 22:07:12 GMT -5
So, is the consensus among Oasis fans that he's shit until he goes back to what he is know for, or is it because of the whole Noel / Liam divide, with fans being more favourable towards Liam? i don't need noel to put out the same song he's wrote 150 times in the last 3 decades. and i really want absolutely nothing to do with liam. i just don't particularly care for the new direction. i don't think it's executed well. i like musical growth as a concept. |
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Aug 21, 2019 22:26:41 GMT -5
Noel could be a bit kinder when he talks about fans who want him to keep writing Oasis-like songs. But, that's the way he's been for years. I guess it makes it worse when Liam comes off lately as being more thoughtful of the fans. But let's not forget, he's put himself before his fans in the past too.
But I will agree with Noel. If you love the Oasis stuff he wrote, it's still out there. You can listen to Wonderwall, Don't Look Back in Anger or any of them any time you want. And if you want some new rock and roll, Liam's great for that. But right now Noel's trying out some different stuff. You can like it. You can hate it. But he's the artist; it's his right to make it to please himself first. Maybe someday he'll come out with some more Oasis-like stuff. Maybe he won't. But I don't see where it's our place to tell him what kind of music we think he should make. If you don't like it, don't buy it or listen to it.
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Post by shannee on Aug 21, 2019 22:47:35 GMT -5
The Liam vs Noel thing is boring and I hate camping. I’m going to see Noel next week and Liam in Oct. I saw them both in 1995. They were great then and they’re great now, just different. If I was the same person I was in 1995 I’d be really embarrassed.
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Post by oneofus on Aug 21, 2019 22:50:17 GMT -5
The new musical direction is average and forgettable for most.
He seems really into what he's making so if it makes him happy so be it.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 22, 2019 2:49:19 GMT -5
Here is the thing about the internet, look up anything or anyone, you will find backlash everywhere. Social media is just a torture party. The Liam vs Noel thing is boring and I hate camping. I’m going to see Noel next week and Liam in Oct. I saw them both in 1995. They were great then and they’re great now, just different. If I was the same person I was in 1995 I’d be really embarrassed. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 2:56:21 GMT -5
The new musical direction is average and forgettable for most. He seems really into what he's making so if it makes him happy so be it. Bingo. Good on him for making the music he wants to make, but I'm not coming with him. |
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Post by LlAM on Aug 22, 2019 3:42:10 GMT -5
Look at the diversity in the music Liam and especially Noel are releasing now and then think back to Dig Out Your Soul.
(Does anyone even listen to anything off that album anymore?)
This is the best time to be a fan since 2005 or possibly even 1997.
The only thing we could argue we're missing is a Liam sung Noel tune.
If you compare the 4 ep tracks Noel has released so far, the only common ground they have is the vocalist. Apart from the vocals, the average listener would have a hard time telling they're from the same artist.
What I'm trying to say, is while This Is The Place might not be Noel's best it's a bit stupid saying his career has backlashed based on one song.
I reckon his career is more or less where he wants it to be.
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Post by mancraider on Aug 22, 2019 4:44:22 GMT -5
I think you have to look at it through the prism of British working class culture, something Noel and Liam are tied to more than almost any other artists.
We love an underdog and will champion them as they rise. However we are also quick to turn on them the moment they are perceived to be too successful or have ' forgotten where they come from'. It happens to most bands / artists who last so long. The return of Liam has certainly had an effect because whether it is intentional or not he has played up to the image of the man of the people and Noel has done the opposite, being the rich aloof star that revels in his celebrity lifestyle.
Non British fans are probably scratching their heads at it all as there isn't the ingrained resentment of success in other countries as there is here.
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Post by martinpaul on Aug 22, 2019 5:45:27 GMT -5
You reap what you sow
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Post by wylliejack on Aug 22, 2019 6:23:06 GMT -5
Look at the diversity in the music Liam and especially Noel are releasing now and then think back to Dig Out Your Soul. (Does anyone even listen to anything off that album anymore?) This is the best time to be a fan since 2005 or possibly even 1997. The only thing we could argue we're missing is a Liam sung Noel tune. If you compare the 4 ep tracks Noel has released so far, the only common ground they have is the vocalist. Apart from the vocals, the average listener would have a hard time telling they're from the same artist. What I'm trying to say, is while This Is The Place might not be Noel's best it's a bit stupid saying his career has backlashed based on one song. I reckon his career is more or less where he wants it to be. I Love doys |
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Post by Rolo on Aug 22, 2019 7:12:46 GMT -5
I was having this discussion not long ago on here. He has definitely got more mixed and negative comments about his music since Holy Mountain was released, that seemed to be the turning point. It isn't just from the "Liam fanboys" either, it's a big chunk of the Oasis community.
Like others have pointed out, I'm not a massive fan of his last efforts but if that's where he's at musically at the moment then so be it, he seems to be enjoying himself.
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Post by MONO on Aug 22, 2019 7:20:42 GMT -5
think back to Dig Out Your Soul. (Does anyone even listen to anything off that album anymore?) I do. It's my favourite post-'Be Here Now' album. |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 7:24:48 GMT -5
I never bash either of the brothers on this forum, but I have something to contribute to this discussion. I’m one of those fans that was born after DM and MG, and I’ve grown up listening to rock and roll records and some metal stuff too. When Noel talks about my demographic that “wants him to stay in 1995 forever” I get kinda defensive but it’s honestly somewhat true. I consider myself open to new stuff musically, but I listen to this new “cosmic pop” stuff and it just isn’t for me outside of holy mountain and a couple of the other tunes off WBTM. I was born around the time of SOTSOG and while I never got to experience the climb to fame during the 90s, I’ve seen all the big concerts on YouTube, watched all the interviews, gone to the solo gigs, etc. Like I said, I’m open to this new stuff but I really wish he’d reunite the band, come on stage with a Union Jack guitar and exclaim “this ones called Columbia!” Is this fantasy kinda selfish and exactly what Noel hates? Yea. But, At least there’s a bunch of us still listening and giving this new stuff a chance. Kinda sucks to see all the backlash, seeing as this is one of my musical heroes and the songwriter for some of the most impactful songs in my life. I cannot tell you how much i reject this notion that anyone who doesn't like Noel's new stuff is just stuck in 95. How about people who just believe it isnt every good and Noel is hiding behind this notion to justify the reception it's getting? It happened with Arctic Monkeys last album. In general it was received awfully by fans because it was just Alex Turner getting lost up his own arse with a concept album. Yet there were many who dismissed the general backlash as it just coming from dark fruit drinking bucket hat wearers. What if people just don't like the music? I, and im sure hundreds of thousands of Noel/Oasis fans listen to a vast array of music. This actually only emphasises to us how uninspired and not very 'out there' his new stuff actually is. I'm sure there are very small minority who fit into Noel's little character description, but in general we are not like that in the slightest. It only further reiterates how detached he is from his fanbase now. He's making music that he thinks is satisfying his peers. It's okay if the likes of Elton John, who has slammed oasis all his life for being derivative, likes it. It's okay if Sara likes it. He's a new inspiring musician that's so diverse and sophisticated now. Most of us can see through it. Stick to letting them songs 'fall out the sky' and stop sitting in a studio ripping off bits of 70s riffs and forcing a concept of this wonderful new sound. It just isnt very good, and that's from someone who doesn't wanna see the union jack guitar come back. |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 7:30:37 GMT -5
I was having this discussion not long ago on here. He has definitely got more mixed and negative comments about his music since Holy Mountain was released, that seemed to be the turning point. It isn't just from the "Liam fanboys" either, it's a big chunk of the Oasis community. Like others have pointed out, I'm not a massive fan of his last efforts but if that's where he's at musically at the moment then so be it, he seems to be enjoying himself. It doesn't help that he come along with this abrassive attitude of everyone who doesnt get Holy Mountain is a parka monkey. Basically anyone who don't like my new stuff is a thick piece of shit like i've always thought you all were anyway but you were buying my records then so its fine. Not to mention, he said that before AYW really took off. If we imagine a world where Liam was still in exile, then Noel could probably keep on getting away with that attitude. He's only been used to huge popularity all his career. Even at Oasis lowest points, he still had the support of the huge fanbase. People just see through the music, and cannot bare the man he's become. It's no wonder he's getting this reaction. And before people say it shouldn't matter what he's like as a person. It does matter. People go into listening to your music wanting to hate it. Just like Liam in Beady Eye. And if what you're churning out is anything less than brilliant, you're gonna get turned on. Sorry Noel, but you're losing this one. |
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Post by mancraider on Aug 22, 2019 7:30:47 GMT -5
I never bash either of the brothers on this forum, but I have something to contribute to this discussion. I’m one of those fans that was born after DM and MG, and I’ve grown up listening to rock and roll records and some metal stuff too. When Noel talks about my demographic that “wants him to stay in 1995 forever” I get kinda defensive but it’s honestly somewhat true. I consider myself open to new stuff musically, but I listen to this new “cosmic pop” stuff and it just isn’t for me outside of holy mountain and a couple of the other tunes off WBTM. I was born around the time of SOTSOG and while I never got to experience the climb to fame during the 90s, I’ve seen all the big concerts on YouTube, watched all the interviews, gone to the solo gigs, etc. Like I said, I’m open to this new stuff but I really wish he’d reunite the band, come on stage with a Union Jack guitar and exclaim “this ones called Columbia!” Is this fantasy kinda selfish and exactly what Noel hates? Yea. But, At least there’s a bunch of us still listening and giving this new stuff a chance. Kinda sucks to see all the backlash, seeing as this is one of my musical heroes and the songwriter for some of the most impactful songs in my life. I cannot tell you how much i reject this notion that anyone who doesn't like Noel's new stuff is just stuck in 95. How about people who just believe it isnt every good and Noel is hiding behind this notion to justify the reception it's getting? It happened with Arctic Monkeys last album. In general it was received awfully by fans because it was just Alex Turner getting lost up his own arse with a concept album. Yet there were many who dismissed the general backlash as it just coming from dark fruit drinking bucket hat wearers. What if people just don't like the music? I, and im sure hundreds of thousands of Noel/Oasis fans listen to a vast array of music. This actually only emphasises to us how uninspired and not very 'out there' his new stuff actually is. I'm sure there are very small minority who fit into Noel's little character description, but in general we are not like that in the slightest. It only further reiterates how detached he is from his fanbase now. He's making music that he thinks is satisfying his peers. It's okay if the likes of Elton John, who has slammed oasis all his life for being derivative, likes it. It's okay if Sara likes it. He's a new inspiring musician that's so diverse and sophisticated now. Most of us can see through it. Stick to letting them songs 'fall out the sky' and stop sitting in a studio ripping off bits of 70s riffs and forcing a concept of this wonderful new sound. It just isnt very good, and that's from someone who doesn't wanna see the union jack guitar come back. I wonder if Noel has shared with Elton his opinion that your not a real artistic if you work with songwriters. 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:35:05 GMT -5
I never bash either of the brothers on this forum, but I have something to contribute to this discussion. I’m one of those fans that was born after DM and MG, and I’ve grown up listening to rock and roll records and some metal stuff too. When Noel talks about my demographic that “wants him to stay in 1995 forever” I get kinda defensive but it’s honestly somewhat true. I consider myself open to new stuff musically, but I listen to this new “cosmic pop” stuff and it just isn’t for me outside of holy mountain and a couple of the other tunes off WBTM. I was born around the time of SOTSOG and while I never got to experience the climb to fame during the 90s, I’ve seen all the big concerts on YouTube, watched all the interviews, gone to the solo gigs, etc. Like I said, I’m open to this new stuff but I really wish he’d reunite the band, come on stage with a Union Jack guitar and exclaim “this ones called Columbia!” Is this fantasy kinda selfish and exactly what Noel hates? Yea. But, At least there’s a bunch of us still listening and giving this new stuff a chance. Kinda sucks to see all the backlash, seeing as this is one of my musical heroes and the songwriter for some of the most impactful songs in my life. I cannot tell you how much i reject this notion that anyone who doesn't like Noel's new stuff is just stuck in 95. How about people who just believe it isnt every good and Noel is hiding behind this notion to justify the reception it's getting? It happened with Arctic Monkeys last album. In general it was received awfully by fans because it was just Alex Turner getting lost up his own arse with a concept album. Yet there were many who dismissed the general backlash as it just coming from dark fruit drinking bucket hat wearers. What if people just don't like the music? I, and im sure hundreds of thousands of Noel/Oasis fans listen to a vast array of music. This actually only emphasises to us how uninspired and not very 'out there' his new stuff actually is. I'm sure there are very small minority who fit into Noel's little character description, but in general we are not like that in the slightest. It only further reiterates how detached he is from his fanbase now. He's making music that he thinks is satisfying his peers. It's okay if the likes of Elton John, who has slammed oasis all his life for being derivative, likes it. It's okay if Sara likes it. He's a new inspiring musician that's so diverse and sophisticated now. Most of us can see through it. Stick to letting them songs 'fall out the sky' and stop sitting in a studio ripping off bits of 70s riffs and forcing a concept of this wonderful new sound. It just isnt very good, and that's from someone who doesn't wanna see the union jack guitar come back. Do you think Noel would listen to this kinda stuff himself, for pleasure. Do you think Liam would blast the likes of FWIW Chinatown etc on his ghettoblaster? Course not, it’s business and that’s just fine. Buy it, don’t buy it. |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 7:35:54 GMT -5
I cannot tell you how much i reject this notion that anyone who doesn't like Noel's new stuff is just stuck in 95. How about people who just believe it isnt every good and Noel is hiding behind this notion to justify the reception it's getting? It happened with Arctic Monkeys last album. In general it was received awfully by fans because it was just Alex Turner getting lost up his own arse with a concept album. Yet there were many who dismissed the general backlash as it just coming from dark fruit drinking bucket hat wearers. What if people just don't like the music? I, and im sure hundreds of thousands of Noel/Oasis fans listen to a vast array of music. This actually only emphasises to us how uninspired and not very 'out there' his new stuff actually is. I'm sure there are very small minority who fit into Noel's little character description, but in general we are not like that in the slightest. It only further reiterates how detached he is from his fanbase now. He's making music that he thinks is satisfying his peers. It's okay if the likes of Elton John, who has slammed oasis all his life for being derivative, likes it. It's okay if Sara likes it. He's a new inspiring musician that's so diverse and sophisticated now. Most of us can see through it. Stick to letting them songs 'fall out the sky' and stop sitting in a studio ripping off bits of 70s riffs and forcing a concept of this wonderful new sound. It just isnt very good, and that's from someone who doesn't wanna see the union jack guitar come back. I wonder if Noel has shared with Elton his opinion that your not a real artistic if you work with songwriters. 😂 Part of why i can't stand his interviews now is because the humour has gone from being very on point with all of us, to echoes of a sushi and wine dinner date with Elton and Bono. It's like 2005 Noel was the opinions and ramblings of a man in a Manchester boozer, 2019 Noel is a man at a Tory doner event at poolside eating canapes. |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 7:37:39 GMT -5
I cannot tell you how much i reject this notion that anyone who doesn't like Noel's new stuff is just stuck in 95. How about people who just believe it isnt every good and Noel is hiding behind this notion to justify the reception it's getting? It happened with Arctic Monkeys last album. In general it was received awfully by fans because it was just Alex Turner getting lost up his own arse with a concept album. Yet there were many who dismissed the general backlash as it just coming from dark fruit drinking bucket hat wearers. What if people just don't like the music? I, and im sure hundreds of thousands of Noel/Oasis fans listen to a vast array of music. This actually only emphasises to us how uninspired and not very 'out there' his new stuff actually is. I'm sure there are very small minority who fit into Noel's little character description, but in general we are not like that in the slightest. It only further reiterates how detached he is from his fanbase now. He's making music that he thinks is satisfying his peers. It's okay if the likes of Elton John, who has slammed oasis all his life for being derivative, likes it. It's okay if Sara likes it. He's a new inspiring musician that's so diverse and sophisticated now. Most of us can see through it. Stick to letting them songs 'fall out the sky' and stop sitting in a studio ripping off bits of 70s riffs and forcing a concept of this wonderful new sound. It just isnt very good, and that's from someone who doesn't wanna see the union jack guitar come back. Do you think Noel would listen to this kinda stuff himself, for pleasure. Do you think Liam would blast the likes of FWIW Chinatown etc on his ghettoblaster? Course not, it’s business and that’s just fine. Buy it, don’t buy it. Isn't Noel always talking about listening to this kind of shit now? FWIW gets compared to John Lennon all the time so maybe. chinatown is irrelevant cos that was forced on him  |
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