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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jun 3, 2019 13:19:05 GMT -5
'Lyla' evolved from the Heathen Chemistry-era demo 'Smiler'. When it became 'Lyla' though I don't know.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 3, 2019 15:30:55 GMT -5
Oh I dont doubt for a second that Noel would shoot me down instantly for ever questioning this new found exploration of 70s pop thats all been done alot better before. If he wants to keep creating more silence and piss breaks at his gigs then so be it. I just think its a waste for my favourite songwriter to not be putting out his abolsue best songs. Fuck whether it shows evolution as an artist. By all means if they're good songs, make them whatever the genre. But just make sure the song comes first. For someone who has this theory that songs drop out the sky and you don't go looking for them, I find it strange that him and David Holmes physically get out old CDs and go looking for riffs they can steal. You're assuming he's trying to evolve. Everything he's said goes against that. He's just working a slightly different way to what he has before and is making music the way he wants to. He's got every right to do that, as has Liam. I also don't know how many gigs you've been to on this tour, but if you'd been to any from about June onwards last year and any this year, you'd know that it's not at all like how you describe. The songs work brilliantly live, and are elevated by the quality of the band, all members of which are obviously really into it and enjoying themselves. He hasn't worked with Holmes now in nye on 3 years, by the sounds of it, barring maybe a few weeks in the studio in Jan. None of these new tracks were worked on with Holmes as far as we know. I went to watch him in 2 arenas lasy year. All the Oasis stuff and the early HFB singles went down great. Great sound, great singalongs. Exactly how it should be. The opening was as flat as anything. Coming out to play Fort Knox is such a mood kill. I seen so many people just taking the time to go to the bar until the songs they wanted come on. There's no crowd participation in any of those songs and you can see what everyone thinks of them. I'm talking about the Holmes album because its the last album he made. That was his approach. So its stupid to say he waits for songs to fall out the sky and doesn't force it. He's forcing what he does now to try and appear a diverse artist. The songs aren't there and it shows. |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 3, 2019 15:34:13 GMT -5
Nah. Lyla was a demo. It was digged up at the end of the main DBTT recording sessions and used. It was written way before 2005. It really is amazing. They recorded with Death In Vegas, then just themselves and later in America with Sardy. At the end of all of that they were still short on songs. Lyla, Importance Of Being Idle and Let There Be Love have nothing to do with this sessions. The big singles in particular. This record could have been far far worse. The claim that DBTT was some great artistic rival is overstated. It was still the same old post 2000 Oasis. Couple good tunes but overall uneven results on the full length LP. It was massive in reviving Oasis. It doesnt eveb matter what you think of the album. It's undisputed that it massively revived Oasis. It was hugely successful at a time when so many big bands were citing then as main inspirations. That whole period was instrumental in the Noel and Liam we have now. You only have to watch Noels interviews from 2000 to 2002 to see what I mean by this. He was downbeat, depressing, just not Noel. 2005 crafted the new, elderly Oasis. On and off the field to use a sporting analogy. You're completely wrong to downplay that era for Oasis. |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 3, 2019 15:35:29 GMT -5
You're assuming he's trying to evolve. Everything he's said goes against that. He's just working a slightly different way to what he has before and is making music the way he wants to. He's got every right to do that, as has Liam. I also don't know how many gigs you've been to on this tour, but if you'd been to any from about June onwards last year and any this year, you'd know that it's not at all like how you describe. The songs work brilliantly live, and are elevated by the quality of the band, all members of which are obviously really into it and enjoying themselves. He hasn't worked with Holmes now in nye on 3 years, by the sounds of it, barring maybe a few weeks in the studio in Jan. None of these new tracks were worked on with Holmes as far as we know. I went to watch him in 2 arenas lasy year. All the Oasis stuff and the early HFB singles went down great. Great sound, great singalongs. Exactly how it should be. The opening was as flat as anything. Coming out to play Fort Knox is such a mood kill. I seen so many people just taking the time to go to the bar until the songs they wanted come on. There's no crowd participation in any of those songs and you can see what everyone thinks of them. I'm talking about the Holmes album because its the last album he made. That was his approach. So its stupid to say he waits for songs to fall out the sky and doesn't force it. He's forcing what he does now to try and appear a diverse artist. The songs aren't there and it shows. As I said, from June onwards. I enjoyed the arena gigs I went to (in May) but acknowledge maybe it was too much to hold off on Oasis until song 9. But he's trimmed the set since then and it works outstandingly well. And there now really is crowd participation - you're talking about gigs that were 13 months ago now. And clearly not 'everybody' thinks the same way as you. Even at the Manc Arena gig I was at (May 4, 2018) FK and Holy Mountain both went off. He's also never said he waits for every song to fall out of the sky. He believes that happens with the best ones. Doesn't mean you don't try and strive to do something else in the meantime. |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 3, 2019 15:38:02 GMT -5
I went to watch him in 2 arenas lasy year. All the Oasis stuff and the early HFB singles went down great. Great sound, great singalongs. Exactly how it should be. The opening was as flat as anything. Coming out to play Fort Knox is such a mood kill. I seen so many people just taking the time to go to the bar until the songs they wanted come on. There's no crowd participation in any of those songs and you can see what everyone thinks of them. I'm talking about the Holmes album because its the last album he made. That was his approach. So its stupid to say he waits for songs to fall out the sky and doesn't force it. He's forcing what he does now to try and appear a diverse artist. The songs aren't there and it shows. As I said, from June onwards. I enjoyed the arena gigs I went to (in May) but acknowledge maybe it was too much to hold off on Oasis until song 9. But he's trimmed the set since then and it works outstandingly well. And there now really is crowd participation - you're talking about gigs that were 13 months ago now. And clearly not 'everybody' thinks the same way as you. Even at the Manc Arena gig I was at (May 4, 2018) FK and Holy Mountain both went off. He's also never said he waits for every song to fall out of the sky. He believes that happens with the best ones. Doesn't mean you don't try and strive to do something else in the meantime. Fair enough. I'm going to Heaton Park on Friday so i hope I come away agreeing with your assessment. Like you said, the set for the tour I went to was just very badly picked and id almost say complacent and naive from Noel. You have to acknowledge a vast majority of people are there for Oasis songs, even if you see that as too backward thinking. |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 3, 2019 15:42:37 GMT -5
As I said, from June onwards. I enjoyed the arena gigs I went to (in May) but acknowledge maybe it was too much to hold off on Oasis until song 9. But he's trimmed the set since then and it works outstandingly well. And there now really is crowd participation - you're talking about gigs that were 13 months ago now. And clearly not 'everybody' thinks the same way as you. Even at the Manc Arena gig I was at (May 4, 2018) FK and Holy Mountain both went off. He's also never said he waits for every song to fall out of the sky. He believes that happens with the best ones. Doesn't mean you don't try and strive to do something else in the meantime. Fair enough. I'm going to Heaton Park on Friday so i hope I come away agreeing with your assessment. Like you said, the set for the tour I went to was just very badly picked and id almost say complacent and naive from Noel. You have to acknowledge a vast majority of people are there for Oasis songs, even if you see that as too backward thinking. I don't think the issue was a lack of Oasis songs, it was more the placement of them. I didn't mind, but I get why people didn't want that. Then again a huge thing with any gig can be where you are in a crowd too etc. I went Manc and Leeds arenas and Leeds was a lot more subdued in general where I was. In Manc it was a brilliant crowd in the middle of the standing area, a Friday night etc. Current set seems to have an Oasis song coming in around 6 or 7 and there's more in total. Hope you enjoy Heaton Park, I'm off Dublin next week. Last year at Tramlines is by far the best I've seen Noel on any occasion. Just in terms of the band been on it and Noel really becoming a frontman in his own right. |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 3, 2019 15:46:47 GMT -5
Oa I'm away at the moment and really wanna get this down when I get back Any chance you could whip the chords on here when you get time pls mate? Great cover as always! (from the live vid I saw, guessing Am, Fmaj7, C9 etc all in there, with a capo on 3/4?)
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Post by oasismashups on Jun 3, 2019 17:40:19 GMT -5
Oa I'm away at the moment and really wanna get this down when I get back Any chance you could whip the chords on here when you get time pls mate? Great cover as always! (from the live vid I saw, guessing Am, Fmaj7, C9 etc all in there, with a capo on 3/4?) Capo 3rd fret Verses: Am C D Em Chorus: F Em G Instrumental after "we're gonna run away": I think he does Am-Bm (just moving the Am 2 frets, no barre chord) for a bit, then F G Em Am |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2019 18:11:26 GMT -5
It really is amazing. They recorded with Death In Vegas, then just themselves and later in America with Sardy. At the end of all of that they were still short on songs. Lyla, Importance Of Being Idle and Let There Be Love have nothing to do with this sessions. The big singles in particular. This record could have been far far worse. The claim that DBTT was some great artistic rival is overstated. It was still the same old post 2000 Oasis. Couple good tunes but overall uneven results on the full length LP. It was massive in reviving Oasis. It doesnt eveb matter what you think of the album. It's undisputed that it massively revived Oasis. It was hugely successful at a time when so many big bands were citing then as main inspirations. That whole period was instrumental in the Noel and Liam we have now. You only have to watch Noels interviews from 2000 to 2002 to see what I mean by this. He was downbeat, depressing, just not Noel. 2005 crafted the new, elderly Oasis. On and off the field to use a sporting analogy. You're completely wrong to downplay that era for Oasis. Well I was speaking about their music and the quality of it. You are going beyond that into areas I didn’t broach but you know what? I’ll play this game. HC and DBTT basically sold the same amount of albums in the UK and globally. In 2002-2003 HC was a huge seller. People tend to forget that. SOTSOG didn’t move units but HC took care of business. Tours were very similar in size and scope. Oasis always had people admiring and looking up to them. Bands like Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, Libertines, etc were following in their footsteps long before DBTT dropped. And elderly Oasis huh? They broke up while touring their next album 3 years later. Nothing was sustained for a big run. No shame in ANY of that. This is a 1000 other bands dream scenarios. However at the end of the day this was still Oasis becoming the Stones. So so album’s. Big ass tours. Repeat. |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 3, 2019 18:51:30 GMT -5
It was massive in reviving Oasis. It doesnt eveb matter what you think of the album. It's undisputed that it massively revived Oasis. It was hugely successful at a time when so many big bands were citing then as main inspirations. That whole period was instrumental in the Noel and Liam we have now. You only have to watch Noels interviews from 2000 to 2002 to see what I mean by this. He was downbeat, depressing, just not Noel. 2005 crafted the new, elderly Oasis. On and off the field to use a sporting analogy. You're completely wrong to downplay that era for Oasis. Well I was speaking about their music and the quality of it. You are going beyond that into areas I didn’t broach but you know what? I’ll play this game. HC and DBTT basically sold the same amount of albums in the UK and globally. In 2002-2003 HC was a huge seller. People tend to forget that. SOTSOG didn’t move units but HC took care of business. Tours were very similar in size and scope. Oasis always had people admiring and looking up to them. Bands like Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, Libertines, etc were following in their footsteps long before DBTT dropped. And elderly Oasis huh? They broke up while touring their next album 3 years later. Nothing was sustained for a big run. No shame in ANY of that. This is a 1000 other bands dream scenarios. However at the end of the day this was still Oasis becoming the Stones. So so album’s. Big ass tours. Repeat. So because HC was popular that somehow devalues the importance of DBTT because it was popular too? It's only on this forum that HC is derided. To most the general public and general fans it has 4 great oasis classics on it. Then the rest can be debated. I know you live across the pond so I'll forgive you for not quite understanding how big 2005 was for launching the Gallagher back from obscurity in the UK, but trust me it gave them such a new lease of life. Admittedly you're right that that was blown apart by an awful relationship between the 2 of them in 2008. On that note, anyone else noticed how genuinely close and friendly Liam and Noel were during DBTT tour? Thats the best period for the new band dynamic IMO. DOYS they looked like robots in the interviews together. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2019 19:07:53 GMT -5
Well I was speaking about their music and the quality of it. You are going beyond that into areas I didn’t broach but you know what? I’ll play this game. HC and DBTT basically sold the same amount of albums in the UK and globally. In 2002-2003 HC was a huge seller. People tend to forget that. SOTSOG didn’t move units but HC took care of business. Tours were very similar in size and scope. Oasis always had people admiring and looking up to them. Bands like Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, Libertines, etc were following in their footsteps long before DBTT dropped. And elderly Oasis huh? They broke up while touring their next album 3 years later. Nothing was sustained for a big run. No shame in ANY of that. This is a 1000 other bands dream scenarios. However at the end of the day this was still Oasis becoming the Stones. So so album’s. Big ass tours. Repeat. So because HC was popular that somehow devalues the importance of DBTT because it was popular too? It's only on this forum that HC is derided. To most the general public and general fans it has 4 great oasis classics on it. Then the rest can be debated. I know you live across the pond so I'll forgive you for not quite understanding how big 2005 was for launching the Gallagher back from obscurity in the UK, but trust me it gave them such a new lease of life. Admittedly you're right that that was blown apart by an awful relationship between the 2 of them in 2008. On that note, anyone else noticed how genuinely close and friendly Liam and Noel were during DBTT tour? Thats the best period for the new band dynamic IMO. DOYS they looked like robots in the interviews together. But that’s my point. HC was a big seller. With huge singles. So what was the revival in 2005 for? They matched what they had done in 2002. It’s not like DBTT is miles and miles better than HC. Both similar in Oasis making uneven albums post 2000. What obscurity were Oasis living in between 2002 and 2005 because I never saw any evidence of that. |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 3, 2019 19:18:40 GMT -5
I feel like i lost the touch with what the .... Noel's on about lately. From scissors playing and a bizzare album where he's not allowed to write songs for to those 3 different EP's each having 2 songs on it.
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Post by mancraider on Jun 3, 2019 19:24:41 GMT -5
The only difference imo was that rock music became trendy again around that time with Kasabian, Killers, Artic Monkeys debuting around time of DBTT so Oasis became seen as elder statesmen compared to these young bands that were naming them as an influence and it gave them an air of credibility that they hadn't really had with Heathen Chemistry. I'd agree that Oasis themselves weren't doing anything different in terms of recording or sales.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 3, 2019 19:45:37 GMT -5
The only difference imo was that rock music became trendy again around that time with Kasabian, Killers, Artic Monkeys debuting around time of DBTT so Oasis became seen as elder statesmen compared to these young bands that were naming them as an influence and it gave them an air of credibility that they hadn't really had with Heathen Chemistry. I'd agree that Oasis themselves weren't doing anything different in terms of recording or sales. The rock revival actually started in 2001 when The Strokes kicked down the door. Soon followed by The White Stripes, The Hives, The Vines, Interpol, The Walkmen, etc all by the end of 2002. |
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Post by mancraider on Jun 3, 2019 20:26:34 GMT -5
The only difference imo was that rock music became trendy again around that time with Kasabian, Killers, Artic Monkeys debuting around time of DBTT so Oasis became seen as elder statesmen compared to these young bands that were naming them as an influence and it gave them an air of credibility that they hadn't really had with Heathen Chemistry. I'd agree that Oasis themselves weren't doing anything different in terms of recording or sales. The rock revival actually started in 2001 when The Strokes kicks down the door. Soon followed by The White Stripes, The Hives, The Vines, Interpol, The Walkmen, etc all by the end of 2002. yeah, the libertines in 2002 as well. But I think there was a tipping point around 2005 and Oasis were lucky enough to release a new album into the middle of it. I think that's why there was a change in perception of them even though , as you correctly point out, there was no real difference in their output or sales figures. A band goes from hot young thing to old news very quickly and then they either progress to an influence for the new generation or are slowly forgotten. 2005 was that fork in the road for Oasis in my opinion. |
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jun 3, 2019 21:17:16 GMT -5
Well I was speaking about their music and the quality of it. You are going beyond that into areas I didn’t broach but you know what? I’ll play this game. HC and DBTT basically sold the same amount of albums in the UK and globally. In 2002-2003 HC was a huge seller. People tend to forget that. SOTSOG didn’t move units but HC took care of business. Tours were very similar in size and scope. Oasis always had people admiring and looking up to them. Bands like Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, Libertines, etc were following in their footsteps long before DBTT dropped. And elderly Oasis huh? They broke up while touring their next album 3 years later. Nothing was sustained for a big run. No shame in ANY of that. This is a 1000 other bands dream scenarios. However at the end of the day this was still Oasis becoming the Stones. So so album’s. Big ass tours. Repeat. So because HC was popular that somehow devalues the importance of DBTT because it was popular too? It's only on this forum that HC is derided. To most the general public and general fans it has 4 great oasis classics on it. Then the rest can be debated. I know you live across the pond so I'll forgive you for not quite understanding how big 2005 was for launching the Gallagher back from obscurity in the UK, but trust me it gave them such a new lease of life. Admittedly you're right that that was blown apart by an awful relationship between the 2 of them in 2008. On that note, anyone else noticed how genuinely close and friendly Liam and Noel were during DBTT tour? Thats the best period for the new band dynamic IMO. DOYS they looked like robots in the interviews together. Who are you referring to with the "general public?" Just the UK and Europe? |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 4, 2019 3:12:39 GMT -5
So because HC was popular that somehow devalues the importance of DBTT because it was popular too? It's only on this forum that HC is derided. To most the general public and general fans it has 4 great oasis classics on it. Then the rest can be debated. I know you live across the pond so I'll forgive you for not quite understanding how big 2005 was for launching the Gallagher back from obscurity in the UK, but trust me it gave them such a new lease of life. Admittedly you're right that that was blown apart by an awful relationship between the 2 of them in 2008. On that note, anyone else noticed how genuinely close and friendly Liam and Noel were during DBTT tour? Thats the best period for the new band dynamic IMO. DOYS they looked like robots in the interviews together. Who are you referring to with the "general public?" Just the UK and Europe? Yeah. I dont really care about countries that vote for people like trump |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 4, 2019 4:33:18 GMT -5
Oa I'm away at the moment and really wanna get this down when I get back Any chance you could whip the chords on here when you get time pls mate? Great cover as always! (from the live vid I saw, guessing Am, Fmaj7, C9 etc all in there, with a capo on 3/4?) Capo 3rd fret Verses: Am C D Em Chorus: F Em G Instrumental after "we're gonna run away": I think he does Am-Bm (just moving the Am 2 frets, no barre chord) for a bit, then F G Em Am Thanks mate, will try that when I get back |
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