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Post by captainsoul on Mar 9, 2019 13:53:14 GMT -5
Has he recorded everything he is artistically capable of?
Should he keep on trying?
Should he ask for help as Liam did with As You Were?
What do you think?
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 9, 2019 13:55:53 GMT -5
No. He earned the right to make as many records as he likes in the nineties; if he wants his music to be successful, though, he needs to work with people who won't let him get away with the bullshit traps he's fallen into far too often since 2000. Start by giving him an electric guitar and hiding the keys to the orchestra.
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Post by shannee on Mar 9, 2019 16:05:43 GMT -5
I think his lyric writing is still very strong, barring one or two songs that came across a bit cheesy. The melodies are good too. You can tell when he plays the new songs acoustic that the talent is still there, he just hasn’t found the right mix musically. Although I think the guitarist he works with is very talented, he needs some one(s) more inventive to bring the songs to the next level when played electric.
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Post by mimmihopps on Mar 9, 2019 17:40:05 GMT -5
No.
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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2019 10:24:37 GMT -5
If he swallows his pride and admits he’s not a very good songwriter barring a handful of songs from a purple patch in the mid-90s (and even then, songs like Sonnet or One Day sound like a lightweight U2 b-side) then he has a future.
What he needs to understand is he was a great frontman, not necessarily a great songwriter. Unfortunately, for some inexplicable reason, he’s had smoke blown up his arse as some kind of god gifted genius and he’s taken that messianic tendency to deluded extremes. For instance, I was watching some YouTube appraisal of Oasis from an American journalist, and for some reason the comments section is full of comments like ‘If you think Noel and Liam are great, then check out Richard Ashcroft - he’s a genius that even the Gallagher’s bow to’. Sorry, what?! It’s honestly like a cult at times, with Ashcroft being the fraudulent leader.
He’s unbelievably deluded, that’s his problem. It’s a shame that being a great frontman in a great band wasn’t enough for him somehow, instead thinking that becoming an ultimately pathetic glorified busker would enhance his legacy. He’s only destroying it with each new album he releases. It’s so far removed from the oblique and enigmatic frontman who was at the eye of a psychedelic storm in The Verve.
Basically, get The Verve back together and get him back to what he was good at. I’ve said it before, Forth isn’t great but there’s gems scattered here and there that are classic Verve and that sound like the band pre-Urban Hymns. I wouldn’t put it past them to be able to muster something up again, for sure I’m only saying this because surely to god it can’t be worse than an Ashcroft solo record.
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Post by glider on Mar 10, 2019 12:19:31 GMT -5
Don't even care anymore to type out an essay.
Bottom line: voice too screwed to keep up with Verve.
Ability to write meaningful music been long gone.
He's done. Nevertheless, can't wait for "Love Your Beauty In The Sunshine" as his next single from the new album "I'm A Fookin Legend".
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 10, 2019 13:10:22 GMT -5
Don't even care anymore to type out an essay. Bottom line: voice too screwed to keep up with Verve. Ability to write meaningful music been long gone. He's done. Nevertheless, can't wait for "Love Your Beauty In The Sunshine" as his next single from the new album "I'm A Fookin Legend".New demos leaked? |
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Post by shannee on Mar 10, 2019 13:43:30 GMT -5
Don't even care anymore to type out an essay. Bottom line: voice too screwed to keep up with Verve. Ability to write meaningful music been long gone. He's done. Nevertheless, can't wait for "Love Your Beauty In The Sunshine" as his next single from the new album "I'm A Fookin Legend". I don't know what you're talking about..I saw him live 4 times last year and his voice is fantastic |
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Post by captainsoul on Mar 10, 2019 15:21:39 GMT -5
Don't even care anymore to type out an essay. Bottom line: voice too screwed to keep up with Verve. Ability to write meaningful music been long gone. He's done. Nevertheless, can't wait for "Love Your Beauty In The Sunshine" as his next single from the new album "I'm A Fookin Legend". I don't know what you're talking about..I saw him live 4 times last year and his voice is fantastic I'd like to know what he thinks about Liam's and Noel's voices... Is Liam's voice too screwed to keep up with Oasis? |
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Post by glider on Mar 10, 2019 18:43:53 GMT -5
I don't know what you're talking about..I saw him live 4 times last year and his voice is fantastic I'd like to know what he thinks about Liam's and Noel's voices... Is Liam's voice too screwed to keep up with Oasis? Liam's voice sounds the best it has in years (even better than 10 years ago and Beady Eye era) due to dropping the key, more rest, cutting back on tobacco, and minor musicial re-arrangement. As for Noel, if anything he sounds better vocally than he ever did in the 90s. He sounded dreadful onstage in those recordings. Richard has changed nothing about his routine - his voice sounds legit shot and he tries to reach the same notes he'd nail even 10 years ago, but it's so gravely and hoarse. He'll adjust his voice for lower, baritone effects on newer songs, but still trots out the same Urban Hymns setlists and goes for those same notes without dropping key. Richard used to have an amazing voice with loads of range. It's not there anymore. One last thing. I never said in my post Richard can't sing anymore. He still has a lovely baritone range that worked beautifully during the acoustic shows he did with Liam earlier last year. I'm saying for the bulk of the Verve back catalogue, back from a time when he has a much different range, that baritone voice cannot translate and trying to hit those same notes just doesn't work. |
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Post by shannee on Mar 10, 2019 19:33:52 GMT -5
I like the gravel. His range might be more limited but his early Verve voice is sometimes too boyish for me, lacks the character that comes with age.
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Post by glider on Mar 10, 2019 20:15:43 GMT -5
I like the gravel. His range might be more limited but his early Verve voice is sometimes too boyish for me, lacks the character that comes with age. I agree actually! For me, Richard's vocals are intentionally softer and more subdued on the early Verve recordings because Nick's guitar wizardry and the ethereal tone of the songs were the forefront instead. I love Richard's vocals between 1995 - 2002. It's just a hard listen for me to hear him sing Lucky Man and can't hit those soaring notes anymore. |
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Post by globe on Mar 11, 2019 9:14:04 GMT -5
No he shouldn’t give up - I’m going to see him next month  He should probably get on the phone to Nick McCabe though and sort their differences out. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 13:27:27 GMT -5
He can do whatever he wants. Buy it if you want, don't buy it if you don't.
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Post by frogerz on Mar 11, 2019 13:45:57 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of the latest album but Guilded Halls is great.
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Post by glider on Mar 11, 2019 13:48:00 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of the latest album but Guilded Halls is great. Both bonus tracks were literally the best material he's released since Break The Night With Colour and Keys To The World (the song). |
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Post by MONO on Mar 11, 2019 14:16:50 GMT -5
[x] No.
His latest album is great.
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Post by captainsoul on Mar 11, 2019 18:15:37 GMT -5
I like the gravel. His range might be more limited but his early Verve voice is sometimes too boyish for me, lacks the character that comes with age. I agree actually! For me, Richard's vocals are intentionally softer and more subdued on the early Verve recordings because Nick's guitar wizardry and the ethereal tone of the songs were the forefront instead. I love Richard's vocals between 1995 - 2002. It's just a hard listen for me to hear him sing Lucky Man and can't hit those soaring notes anymore. He hits those "soaring notes" without any problem. BTW, are you sure that Liam's stopped smoking? "“I know for a fact when I have not had cigarettes and not drank and have been behaving myself I sound a bit square. And I do not like that. I like to sound a bit rough and have a bit of character,” he explained, but hastily adding that he’s not about to start living like a monk. “I do behave myself a little, but not too much. I don't want to sound like Aled Jones or Michael Bublé!” Liam GallagherLiam Gallagher's voice sounds "healthier" now he's moderating the cigs and booze"" January 03, 2019 nation.com.pk/03-Jan-2019/liam-gallaghers-voice-sounds-healthier-for-cutting-back-on-smoking-and-boozing |
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Post by glider on Mar 11, 2019 18:36:55 GMT -5
I agree actually! For me, Richard's vocals are intentionally softer and more subdued on the early Verve recordings because Nick's guitar wizardry and the ethereal tone of the songs were the forefront instead. I love Richard's vocals between 1995 - 2002. It's just a hard listen for me to hear him sing Lucky Man and can't hit those soaring notes anymore. He hits those "soaring notes" without any problem. BTW, are you sure that Liam's stopped smoking? "“I know for a fact when I have not had cigarettes and not drank and have been behaving myself I sound a bit square. And I do not like that. I like to sound a bit rough and have a bit of character,” he explained, but hastily adding that he’s not about to start living like a monk. “I do behave myself a little, but not too much. I don't want to sound like Aled Jones or Michael Bublé!” Liam GallagherLiam Gallagher's voice sounds "healthier" now he's moderating the cigs and booze"" January 03, 2019 nation.com.pk/03-Jan-2019/liam-gallaghers-voice-sounds-healthier-for-cutting-back-on-smoking-and-boozingI never said he stopped smoking. I said he cut back on it("now he's moderating the cigs"). Richard still is a chain smoker and will occasionally smoke on stage. |
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Post by captainsoul on Mar 11, 2019 18:52:26 GMT -5
He hits those "soaring notes" without any problem. BTW, are you sure that Liam's stopped smoking? "“I know for a fact when I have not had cigarettes and not drank and have been behaving myself I sound a bit square. And I do not like that. I like to sound a bit rough and have a bit of character,” he explained, but hastily adding that he’s not about to start living like a monk. “I do behave myself a little, but not too much. I don't want to sound like Aled Jones or Michael Bublé!” Liam GallagherLiam Gallagher's voice sounds "healthier" now he's moderating the cigs and booze"" January 03, 2019 nation.com.pk/03-Jan-2019/liam-gallaghers-voice-sounds-healthier-for-cutting-back-on-smoking-and-boozingI never said he stopped smoking. I said he cut back on it("now he's moderating the cigs"). Richard still is a chain smoker and will occasionally smoke on stage. I thought that you'd written, "quit smoking". My bad. |
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Mar 12, 2019 0:47:16 GMT -5
Richard has a lot more to offer, he's too good.
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Post by lahaine on Mar 20, 2019 6:29:09 GMT -5
The Verve will never get together again and they shouldn't, just leave it as it is. Ashcroft needs to mix it up a bit, maybe take his ego down a peg or two and get someone in to co-write with him to offer up new ideas and have Ashcroft on his feet creatively. It won't happen, he has fans of his solo stuff but for me he's got boring that's the worse thing for any artist been safe and boring.
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Post by Jack on Mar 23, 2019 13:19:10 GMT -5
One last Verve album, then retire.
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Post by captainsoul on Mar 26, 2019 14:37:24 GMT -5
One last Verve album, then retire. Liam too? One last Oasis album and then retire? |
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Post by Jack on Mar 27, 2019 9:37:17 GMT -5
One last Verve album, then retire. Liam too? One last Oasis album and then retire? No, just Richard. Why are you suddenly comparing him to Liam? |
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