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Post by captainsoul on Mar 28, 2019 17:20:34 GMT -5
Liam too? One last Oasis album and then retire? No, just Richard. Why are you suddenly comparing him to Liam? 1. Quick answer: Because I want to do it. 2. "No, just Richard". Hahaha. Why do you think that he should retire? He sings better than Liam and he could do the same as him, ask for help to compose better songs. Ashcroft's voice still sounding great, Liam only sounds nice in the album, live it sounds too weak, nasal and he keeps forcing his throat. |
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Post by Jack on Mar 29, 2019 8:50:10 GMT -5
No, just Richard. Why are you suddenly comparing him to Liam? 1. Quick answer: Because I want to do it. 2. "No, just Richard". Hahaha. Why do you think that he should retire? He sings better than Liam and he could do the same as him, ask for help to compose better songs. Ashcroft's voice still sounding great, Liam only sounds nice in the album, live it sounds too weak, nasal and he keeps forcing his throat. Have you actually seen any of Liams live performances since his solo album release? Most people on this forum would agree he sounds his best live for a very long time (Radio X 2018, Reading 2017). Sure, there are one or two examples of strained vocals, but you can say the same about Richard. Also, Richard doesn't sing 'better' than Liam, as they both have very different singing syles/sounds to even be compared. He should retire from his SOLO work. His last three albums are very weak, with only a few decent songs. His music videos are embarrassing and I honestly cant see his albums improving. |
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Post by glider on Mar 29, 2019 15:38:30 GMT -5
"Looking at the heavens with a tear in my eye" describes to a tee my thoughts on Richard lately. Guy used to be awesome.
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Post by Lundblad on Apr 11, 2019 15:06:27 GMT -5
I liked his 2016 album a lot, but the last one was a disappointment for me. But of course it would be nice if The Verve got a new album out. Forth was amazing!
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Post by dampcottage on Apr 14, 2019 11:29:15 GMT -5
Why would he give up,there's always a chance he might come up with something great again, but if he ever gets any money out of bittersweet symphony he might as well pack it in, because he would become absolutely fuckin awful, and no more verve reunions, I like forth but it would have been perfect left alone after urban hymns
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Post by Marissa on Apr 14, 2019 12:17:40 GMT -5
his co-headlining show with liam was one of the best performances i've seen in a minute. i really enjoyed it.
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Post by glider on Apr 14, 2019 12:32:07 GMT -5
Why would he give up,there's always a chance he might come up with something great again, but if he ever gets any money out of bittersweet symphony he might as well pack it in, because he would become absolutely fuckin awful, and no more verve reunions, I like forth but it would have been perfect left alone after urban hymns Forth was shaping up to be an incredible comeback LP until Richard sabotaged the project because he felt it was too "out there" - bringing in Chris Potter to soften up everything, injecting his solo antics onto the tracklist which saw expansive soundtracks like "All Night Long" and "Blue Pacific Ocean" replaced in favor of "I See Houses" and "Rather Be". If Richard didn't get cold feet and alienate himself from the band during the sessions, things would've been very different. Check the bonus tracks from Forth on Youtube, they're a great treat.
There's also so much more unreleased music from those sessions, per Nick McCabe, that probably won't ever see the light of day.
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Post by Jack on Apr 14, 2019 18:09:42 GMT -5
Why would he give up,there's always a chance he might come up with something great again, but if he ever gets any money out of bittersweet symphony he might as well pack it in, because he would become absolutely fuckin awful, and no more verve reunions, I like forth but it would have been perfect left alone after urban hymns Forth was shaping up to be an incredible comeback LP until Richard sabotaged the project because he felt it was too "out there" - bringing in Chris Potter to soften up everything, injecting his solo antics onto the tracklist which saw expansive soundtracks like "All Night Long" and "Blue Pacific Ocean" replaced in favor of "I See Houses" and "Rather Be". If Richard didn't get cold feet and alienate himself from the band during the sessions, things would've been very different. Check the bonus tracks from Forth on Youtube, they're a great treat.
There's also so much more unreleased music from those sessions, per Nick McCabe, that probably won't ever see the light of day.
I think 'Forth' had the potential to be 'ASIH Part II' IMO. You can hear influences and hints of their early sound on 'Forth', but its obviously masked as an attempt to appeal to a broader audience. I love Chris Potter's production on RA's solo albums, but they should have co-produced with John Leckie or Owen Morris instead to retain their raw, psychedelic sound. |
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Post by dampcottage on Apr 15, 2019 11:27:09 GMT -5
Why would he give up,there's always a chance he might come up with something great again, but if he ever gets any money out of bittersweet symphony he might as well pack it in, because he would become absolutely fuckin awful, and no more verve reunions, I like forth but it would have been perfect left alone after urban hymns Forth was shaping up to be an incredible comeback LP until Richard sabotaged the project because he felt it was too "out there" - bringing in Chris Potter to soften up everything, injecting his solo antics onto the tracklist which saw expansive soundtracks like "All Night Long" and "Blue Pacific Ocean" replaced in favor of "I See Houses" and "Rather Be". If Richard didn't get cold feet and alienate himself from the band during the sessions, things would've been very different. Check the bonus tracks from Forth on Youtube, they're a great treat.
There's also so much more unreleased music from those sessions, per Nick McCabe, that probably won't ever see the light of day.
Agree totally, forth had the potential, what we got was a mixture of "verve" tunes and some RA solo tunes he would have been better holding onto, the fact that he thought without them it would be too out there shows exactly why the verve should never happen again |
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Post by glider on Apr 15, 2019 14:29:17 GMT -5
Nick and Si Jones state they believe the whole reunion was meant as a relaunch for RPAs solo career, which fell flat if that was the case with UNOS. I don't actually believe them on that, I truly think Richard had full intentions to try and make it work - but unresolved tensions came back, mainly between himself and Simon, even with their SOs involved.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 15, 2019 15:52:36 GMT -5
Nick and Si Jones state they believe the whole reunion was meant as a relaunch for RPAs solo career, which fell flat if that was the case with UNOS. I don't actually believe them on that, I truly think Richard had full intentions to try and make it work - but unresolved tensions came back, mainly between himself and Simon, even with their SOs involved. What are the problems Richard and Simon? |
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Post by glider on Apr 15, 2019 18:25:33 GMT -5
Nick and Si Jones state they believe the whole reunion was meant as a relaunch for RPAs solo career, which fell flat if that was the case with UNOS. I don't actually believe them on that, I truly think Richard had full intentions to try and make it work - but unresolved tensions came back, mainly between himself and Simon, even with their SOs involved. What are the problems Richard and Simon? I don't know all the details (and I'll never be in any position to out of respect for their privacy) but I remember during a spat with one of Richard's close friends on facebook, Nick detailed how Richard's wife and Simon's absolutely do not get along, Simon's wife despises Richard in particular (like I said I don't have all the details), apparently Richard caused Simon to need therapy after the '98 split, then of course a massive bust-up at the London Roundhouse gig in November '07. Nick sites that gig as "the true end of the Verve as we knew it." Afterwards, there was clearly no love or care between members aside from Nick and Si, Pete was loyal to Richard as he stayed as his solo drummer (apparently that relationship has been severed as well, Pete and Nick have played together recently). Small things like not singing certain lyrics to older songs during smaller gigs, the reconfiguration of setlists into a greatest hits show, Richard flat out refusing to tour Forth in an interview at the '08 Japan gigs, and of course the Forth drama as I explained earlier. That band has alot of internal issues, so much nonsense that took away from us a solid decade of amazing music. Basically, Nick and Richard don't necessarily have "issues" anymore, it's really between Richard and Simon and Nick is Simon's closest friend.
Edit: To add a point of reference, the now deleted conversations I spoke of took place shortly after Richard's "baggie" incident on Soccer AM last September. |
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Post by matt on Apr 15, 2019 19:38:10 GMT -5
His solo career shows a shocking lack of self awareness as to how bad it is, so it’s no surprise then that he acted the total bellend towards his band mates.
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 5, 2019 12:58:04 GMT -5
What are the problems Richard and Simon? I don't know all the details (and I'll never be in any position to out of respect for their privacy) but I remember during a spat with one of Richard's close friends on facebook, Nick detailed how Richard's wife and Simon's absolutely do not get along, Simon's wife despises Richard in particular (like I said I don't have all the details), apparently Richard caused Simon to need therapy after the '98 split, then of course a massive bust-up at the London Roundhouse gig in November '07. Nick sites that gig as "the true end of the Verve as we knew it." Afterwards, there was clearly no love or care between members aside from Nick and Si, Pete was loyal to Richard as he stayed as his solo drummer (apparently that relationship has been severed as well, Pete and Nick have played together recently). Small things like not singing certain lyrics to older songs during smaller gigs, the reconfiguration of setlists into a greatest hits show, Richard flat out refusing to tour Forth in an interview at the '08 Japan gigs, and of course the Forth drama as I explained earlier. That band has alot of internal issues, so much nonsense that took away from us a solid decade of amazing music. Basically, Nick and Richard don't necessarily have "issues" anymore, it's really between Richard and Simon and Nick is Simon's closest friend.
Edit: To add a point of reference, the now deleted conversations I spoke of took place shortly after Richard's "baggie" incident on Soccer AM last September. Thanks for the info Glider! I wasn't aware of any of that. |
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Post by captainsoul on May 23, 2019 18:31:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 19:20:30 GMT -5
Goosebumps!!!
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Post by standbymoi on May 24, 2019 7:31:49 GMT -5
He needs to lose the sunglasses and stop talking like David Brent.
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Post by frogerz on May 25, 2019 8:37:44 GMT -5
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Post by captainsoul on May 25, 2019 9:07:05 GMT -5
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Post by standbymoi on May 26, 2019 15:23:58 GMT -5
"We're one of the few people that's on that level as a frontman."
Laughable. Not in the same league as Liam and his star quality.
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Post by captainsoul on Jun 2, 2019 7:01:07 GMT -5
"We're one of the few people that's on that level as a frontman." Laughable. Not in the same league as Liam and his star quality. Agree, Richard is a better frontman than Liam. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 7:31:33 GMT -5
natural rebel is one of the worst albums I have ever heard and Im not even exaggerating.
its bloody dreadful. All he is rebelling against there is good music.
Im even someone who thoroughly enjoyed "these people" for the most part.
overall I only really care about ashcroft unless he brought back the verve, which seems pretty unlikely. I remember him saying that he wanted to be the biggest solo act around when he released "these people".........sorry rich mate but that seems rather delusional at best.
That certainly isnt going to be happening with shite like natural rebel that sounds like the soundtrack for the local bowls club.
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Post by standbymoi on Jun 2, 2019 8:05:18 GMT -5
"We're one of the few people that's on that level as a frontman." Laughable. Not in the same league as Liam and his star quality. Agree, Richard is a better frontman than Liam. I miss wrote that/you miss read it. I was saying Liam is the one with star quality |
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Post by Jack on Jun 2, 2019 18:20:39 GMT -5
Agree, Richard is a better frontman than Liam. I miss wrote that/you miss read it. I was saying Liam is the one with star quality He already knew that, he was trying to be funny lol |
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Post by Jack on Jun 2, 2019 18:24:28 GMT -5
natural rebel is one of the worst albums I have ever heard and Im not even exaggerating. its bloody dreadful. All he is rebelling against there is good music. Im even someone who thoroughly enjoyed "these people" for the most part. overall I only really care about ashcroft unless he brought back the verve, which seems pretty unlikely. I remember him saying that he wanted to be the biggest solo act around when he released "these people".........sorry rich mate but that seems rather delusional at best. That certainly isnt going to be happening with shite like natural rebel that sounds like the soundtrack for the local bowls club. I agree, and its really saddening. 'Man In Motion' and 'Rare Vibration' are the only decent songs on that album, and along with the music videos, it's pure f*cking cringe all the way through. Imagine rejecting all those years he could of had with The Verve, and instead producing this garbage. Such a waste. |
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