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Post by jeffrey on Mar 2, 2019 7:50:18 GMT -5
Sad thing is we know we wouldn’t have heard anything as ambitious sounding as Man Who Built The Moon on previous non-Holmes records. Who Built The Moon is the only album Noel sounds epic and ambitious. No chance of that happening with The King of Turgidness Mr Sardy (yes I know Noel is to blame too but Sardy’s CV is full to the brim of woeful acts). I’ll take his work with Sardy over Holmes any day. Personally, other than TMWBTM (DITW is great but I don’t consider it as part of the album), I find WBTM to be wholly unlistenable. |
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Post by matt on Mar 2, 2019 8:13:28 GMT -5
Sad thing is we know we wouldn’t have heard anything as ambitious sounding as Man Who Built The Moon on previous non-Holmes records. Who Built The Moon is the only album Noel sounds epic and ambitious. No chance of that happening with The King of Turgidness Mr Sardy (yes I know Noel is to blame too but Sardy’s CV is full to the brim of woeful acts). I’ll take his work with Sardy over Holmes any day. Personally, other than TMWBTM (DITW is great but I don’t consider it as part of the album), I find WBTM to be wholly unlistenable. Nah, WBTM has more dynamism, more variation and much more fun, and mixes classic Noel with greater ambition. Previously, he was getting to the stage anyway where he was long in the tooth for this game, writing albums for white middle aged blokes. Who Built The Moon went against all that, but I suppose old habits die hard. Even Liam’s still got the youngsters on board thanks to him working with industry professionals and singing good songs I think so he knows the game. But if Noel thinks he can gain any sort of relevance hanging about with Dave Sardy, then his career deserves insignificance. It’s typical of the lack of ambition and cowardliness of Noel’s approach, which ultimately stops him from being amongst the true greats. |
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Post by jeffrey on Mar 2, 2019 9:21:59 GMT -5
I’ll take his work with Sardy over Holmes any day. Personally, other than TMWBTM (DITW is great but I don’t consider it as part of the album), I find WBTM to be wholly unlistenable. Nah, WBTM has more dynamism, more variation and much more fun, and mixes classic Noel with greater ambition. Previously, he was getting to the stage anyway where he was long in the tooth for this game, writing albums for white middle aged blokes. Who Built The Moon went against all that, but I suppose old habits die hard. Even Liam’s still got the youngsters on board thanks to him working with industry professionals and singing good songs I think so he knows the game. But if Noel thinks he can gain any sort of relevance hanging about with Dave Sardy, then his career deserves insignificance. It’s typical of the lack of ambition and cowardliness of Noel’s approach, which ultimately stops him from being amongst the true greats. I respect people’s perspectives and the way they hear/feel music, so I’m glad you enjoy the record. However, like I said earlier, I find WBTM to be unlistenable (genuinely). The songs, in my opinion, were substandard and slick production doesn’t help shit songs. I find nothing fun about WBTM and further, Noel’s personality shifted more into the realm of celebrity pretension which put off casual and hardcore fans alike. Liam’s resurgence was more about timing, personality, and charisma than it was about AYW. The album did well because it was good, but the resurrection was due to the gigs. He has an aura/magnetism that fuels people and leaves them needing more. |
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Post by matt on Mar 2, 2019 10:08:47 GMT -5
Nah, WBTM has more dynamism, more variation and much more fun, and mixes classic Noel with greater ambition. Previously, he was getting to the stage anyway where he was long in the tooth for this game, writing albums for white middle aged blokes. Who Built The Moon went against all that, but I suppose old habits die hard. Even Liam’s still got the youngsters on board thanks to him working with industry professionals and singing good songs I think so he knows the game. But if Noel thinks he can gain any sort of relevance hanging about with Dave Sardy, then his career deserves insignificance. It’s typical of the lack of ambition and cowardliness of Noel’s approach, which ultimately stops him from being amongst the true greats. I respect people’s perspectives and the way they hear/feel music, so I’m glad you enjoy the record. However, like I said earlier, I find WBTM to be unlistenable (genuinely). The songs, in my opinion, were substandard and slick production doesn’t help shit songs. I find nothing fun about WBTM and further, Noel’s personality shifted more into the realm of celebrity pretension which put off casual and hardcore fans alike. Liam’s resurgence was more about timing, personality, and charisma than it was about AYW. The album did well because it was good, but the resurrection was due to the gigs. He has an aura/magnetism that fuels people and leaves them needing more. Oh I think Noel’s a boring fuck these days, his interviews are cringe worthy bordering on Partridge like that Viz character ‘Male Online’ - the fact he’s a staple guest on TalkSport says it all in what a boring arse he’s become. But I think musically he got it spot on. When he hangs about with the right sort though. By going back to the midtempo plodosphere of a dullard like Sardy, he’s at risk of becoming musics answer to the gammon followers who think Piers Morgan is an excellent broadcaster. Also, I’m increasingly of the opinion that Liam’s debut album is better than Noel’s first two albums. For me, its a breezy album that just has that extra spark and vigour than the first two HFB albums, helped by Liams performance of course. Who Built The Moon is by far my favourite Oasis related release since Be Here Now, and by far the best too I genuinely think. But if things continue with Noel reverting to type and going back the turgidness of everything pre-Who Built The Moon, the I’ll be far more interested in Liam’s output. At the end of the day, both brothers need world class professionals to guide them creatively to do something brilliant, whether that be a producer with the reputation and artistic direction of Holmes or the industry professionals Liam is working with. They can’t do it on their own. Sardy is just a yes man, in addition to never amounting to anything quality wise in his production career too. It’s telling too that both albums had the best reception Gallagher related since the late 90s. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2019 13:27:39 GMT -5
I respect people’s perspectives and the way they hear/feel music, so I’m glad you enjoy the record. However, like I said earlier, I find WBTM to be unlistenable (genuinely). The songs, in my opinion, were substandard and slick production doesn’t help shit songs. I find nothing fun about WBTM and further, Noel’s personality shifted more into the realm of celebrity pretension which put off casual and hardcore fans alike. Liam’s resurgence was more about timing, personality, and charisma than it was about AYW. The album did well because it was good, but the resurrection was due to the gigs. He has an aura/magnetism that fuels people and leaves them needing more. Oh I think Noel’s a boring fuck these days, his interviews are cringe worthy bordering on Partridge like that Viz character ‘Male Online’ - the fact he’s a staple guest on TalkSport says it all in what a boring arse he’s become. But I think musically he got it spot on. When he hangs about with the right sort though. By going back to the midtempo plodosphere of a dullard like Sardy, he’s at risk of becoming musics answer to the gammon followers who think Piers Morgan is an excellent broadcaster. Also, I’m increasingly of the opinion that Liam’s debut album is better than Noel’s first two albums. For me, its a breezy album that just has that extra spark and vigour than the first two HFB albums, helped by Liams performance of course. Who Built The Moon is by far my favourite Oasis related release since Be Here Now, and by far the best too I genuinely think. But if things continue with Noel reverting to type and going back the turgidness of everything pre-Who Built The Moon, the I’ll be far more interested in Liam’s output. At the end of the day, both brothers need world class professionals to guide them creatively to do something brilliant, whether that be a producer with the reputation and artistic direction of Holmes or the industry professionals Liam is working with. They can’t do it on their own. Sardy is just a yes man, in addition to never amounting to anything quality wise in his production career too. It’s telling too that both albums had the best reception Gallagher related since the late 90s. I’ll give him this, Sardy did produce one of my favorite songs of the last 15-20 years in The Walkmen’s “The Rat”. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 13:35:08 GMT -5
Sardy sometimes just mixes records rather than producing them. For example he mixed LCD Soundsystem’s Sound Of Silver and This Is Happening.
So I’m hoping this album is quite far down the line, Noel produced it himself and now is just mixing it with Sardy.
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 2, 2019 14:16:25 GMT -5
Sardy sometimes just mixes records rather than producing them. For example he mixed LCD Soundsystem’s Sound Of Silver and This Is Happening. So I’m hoping this album is quite far down the line, Noel produced it himself and now is just mixing it with Sardy. X Yeah, that's the most likely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that Pete Townsend(?) post stated that Sardy was in LA doing something for Noel Gallagher, and that he'd be back by "monday". From what we gather, Noel's been in Abbey Road this previous week, so, if this timeline is right, he hasn't been physically in the studio with Sardy. Or did I get things wrong? I'd suppose that makes it more likely to be "just mixing" (but bear in mind I know nothing about the producing/mixing thing!) ? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2019 15:02:13 GMT -5
We know Noel prefers to release albums either in early summer or the fall. What are the legit chances we actually get a new album come June??? 25%  |
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 15:02:49 GMT -5
Sardy sometimes just mixes records rather than producing them. For example he mixed LCD Soundsystem’s Sound Of Silver and This Is Happening. So I’m hoping this album is quite far down the line, Noel produced it himself and now is just mixing it with Sardy. X Yeah, that's the most likely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that Pete Townsend(?) post stated that Sardy was in LA doing something for Noel Gallagher, and that he'd be back by "monday". From what we gather, Noel's been in Abbey Road this previous week, so, if this timeline is right, he hasn't been physically in the studio with Sardy. Or did I get things wrong? I'd suppose that makes it more likely to be "just mixing" (but bear in mind I know nothing about the producing/mixing thing!) ? “Dave Sardy our producer went back to LA for a while to work with Noel Gallagher, but he’s back on Monday.” www.thewho.com/pete-day-8-who-studio-sessions/X |
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 15:04:12 GMT -5
We know Noel prefers to release albums either in early summer or the fall. What are the legit chances we actually get a new album come June??? 25% Well even if we start getting singles ready for an Autumn launch, I’ll happily take that. X |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2019 15:10:15 GMT -5
Yeah, that's the most likely. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that Pete Townsend(?) post stated that Sardy was in LA doing something for Noel Gallagher, and that he'd be back by "monday". From what we gather, Noel's been in Abbey Road this previous week, so, if this timeline is right, he hasn't been physically in the studio with Sardy. Or did I get things wrong? I'd suppose that makes it more likely to be "just mixing" (but bear in mind I know nothing about the producing/mixing thing!) ? “Dave Sardy our producer went back to LA for a while to work with Noel Gallagher, but he’s back on Monday.” www.thewho.com/pete-day-8-who-studio-sessions/X What are the timeline of events for this? If Noel has been in Abbey Road the last week or so, why would Sardy need to be in LA for Noel? It doesn’t seem like Noel has been over to America in a long time. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 15:14:45 GMT -5
And just for fun:
DM - Aug
MG - Oct
BHN - Aug
SOTSOG - Feb
HC - Jul
DBTT - May
DOYS - Oct
HFB - Oct
CY - Feb
WBTM - Nov
40% released in autumn.
30% released in summer.
20% released in winter.
10% released in spring.
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 15:16:18 GMT -5
What are the timeline of events for this? If Noel has been in Abbey Road the last week or so, why would Sardy need to be in LA for Noel? It doesn’t seem like Noel has been over to America in a long time. He could just be mixing the abbey road recordings. That can be done in days-weeks depending on the number of tracks. Noel may not have even been present. Pete did say he was working “with” Noel though. Implies Noel was out there, but if it was just mixing it could have been a very short trip. Or maybe Pete was just wrong!? And Sardy met Noel in London?? X |
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 2, 2019 15:18:24 GMT -5
What are the timeline of events for this? If Noel has been in Abbey Road the last week or so, why would Sardy need to be in LA for Noel? It doesn’t seem like Noel has been over to America in a long time. That was the point I was making. Everything we have so far points to recording sessions with touring band members in Abbey Road. And there is evidence for Noel being in Abbey Road this week (the nile rogers pic and some fans pics too...) |
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 15:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2019 15:45:50 GMT -5
What are the timeline of events for this? If Noel has been in Abbey Road the last week or so, why would Sardy need to be in LA for Noel? It doesn’t seem like Noel has been over to America in a long time. That was the point I was making. Everything we have so far points to recording sessions with touring band members in Abbey Road. And there is evidence for Noel being in Abbey Road this week (the nile rogers pic and some fans pics too...) Gimme a May single and a mid June album. Wishful thinking. |
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 15:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 15:48:10 GMT -5
That was the point I was making. Everything we have so far points to recording sessions with touring band members in Abbey Road. And there is evidence for Noel being in Abbey Road this week (the nile rogers pic and some fans pics too...) Gimme a May single and a mid June album. Wishful thinking. I give you a 30% chance based on my extremely scientific analysis. And just for fun: DM - Aug MG - Oct BHN - Aug SOTSOG - Feb HC - Jul DBTT - May DOYS - Oct HFB - Oct CY - Feb WBTM - Nov 40% released in autumn. 30% released in summer. 20% released in winter. 10% released in spring. X |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2019 15:49:39 GMT -5
Gimme a May single and a mid June album. Wishful thinking. I give you a 30% chance based on my extremely scientific analysis. And just for fun: DM - Aug MG - Oct BHN - Aug SOTSOG - Feb HC - Jul DBTT - May DOYS - Oct HFB - Oct CY - Feb WBTM - Nov 40% released in autumn. 30% released in summer. 20% released in winter. 10% released in spring. X It’s too soon for Noel. Sept single. Late October album! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 15:51:28 GMT -5
He won't release anything in May. His wife won't have time to approve the artwork until at least September.
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Post by bogaloo on Mar 2, 2019 15:54:02 GMT -5
What are the timeline of events for this? If Noel has been in Abbey Road the last week or so, why would Sardy need to be in LA for Noel? It doesn’t seem like Noel has been over to America in a long time. He could just be mixing the abbey road recordings. That can be done in days-weeks depending on the number of tracks. Noel may not have even been present. Pete did say he was working “with” Noel though. Implies Noel was out there, but if it was just mixing it could have been a very short trip. Or maybe Pete was just wrong!? And Sardy met Noel in London??X Either that or he was in LA working for Noel, but didn't actually meet. Pete could have gotten it wrong. Wasn't Noel at the stadium for the Carabao cup final on sunday too? I vagely remembre some instagram post… Ahhh! There you go: http://instagram.com/p/BuS65zzAOMF |
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Post by mossy on Mar 2, 2019 16:54:20 GMT -5
Wonder if Come On Outside will finally get an official release in the next album cycle? I could see the choir being replaced by the backing vocalists in the current band. X
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Post by spaneli on Mar 2, 2019 18:11:33 GMT -5
The timeline is just really odd. We had heard that he was going to be working with Holmes in January. We know he's supposed to be making a touring album. We also know that his management has teased new tracks. Is Noel really going to play a song live only for us not to hear the studio version for months? Because, the usual Noel timeline says that what he's recording now, we won't hear as a finished product until the fall.
The Abbey Road bit is interesting. It has to be for the touring band album. Noel opted for boutique studios with David Holmes, a studio like Abbey Road would be unlikely for that project. It could also be somewhat likely that this album, whichever he's making, might have multiple producers. It could be that Sardy is only working on a couple of tracks.
Here's my guess...we might have another Chasing Yesterday situation.
It could be that he might want something to put out to promote the new tour, but isn't ready with either album. So Noel might have given the ok to Sardy to mix a track or two in Sardy's usual LA hunting grounds, while Noel works at Abbey Road to complete the rest of the album.
They'd have the Sardy track/possible single out in the next few weeks and the album out in 4 months or so.
Just like with Chasing Yesterday, he'd then have stoppages in the tour to continue working with Holmes and have that album out in the next year or two.
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Post by shannee on Mar 2, 2019 18:29:49 GMT -5
Maybe he got together briefly with Holmes in January but he just wasn't feeling it so went back to working on the Birds project. If he's planning on doing a big tour with the Pumpkins I would think a classic Noel single will help boost sales for that in the US
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 2, 2019 18:46:57 GMT -5
Maybe he got together briefly with Holmes in January but he just wasn't feeling it so went back to working on the Birds project. If he's planning on doing a big tour with the Pumpkins I would think a classic Noel single will help boost sales for that in the US Noel doesn’t need a single to tour America. Nobody but the die hards will know about it anyway. They will already be attending any USA gigs. But yes it’s always nice to have some new material to tour behind to fireup your faithful fans. |
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