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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 22, 2018 18:10:32 GMT -5
fabulousbakers, definitely agree RE your last comment. Lennon spent five consecutive days working on it. That's a long time for The Beatles to be working on just one track.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 22, 2018 18:15:28 GMT -5
Okay, let's all take some deep breaths and calm down. Thought you'd didn't like Pepper that much? Has it grown on you? |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 22, 2018 18:30:57 GMT -5
Okay, let's all take some deep breaths and calm down. Thought you'd didn't like Pepper that much? Has it grown on you? Yes, quite a bit. However, even when I didn't rate in their catalogue as much, it was always a vastly superior record to The White Album to me. The consistent vibe, the concept, the much more melodic songwriting...frankly, A Day in the Life alone lifts it beyond The White Album. I think people maybe just get sick of hearing of how Pepper is the best album ever (it isn't) and it's kind of counter-culture to prefer something like Magical Mystery Tour or White, but I honestly don't see how anyone could argue those are better records. (I still only ever listen to Pepper with Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane on, it really needs more singles in my opinion. Revolver and Abbey Road were always the clear best Beatles albums to me, consistency and a tone with great songwriting in the individual tracks too.) |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 23, 2018 6:05:03 GMT -5
Thought you'd didn't like Pepper that much? Has it grown on you? Yes, quite a bit. However, even when I didn't rate in their catalogue as much, it was always a vastly superior record to The White Album to me. The consistent vibe, the concept, the much more melodic songwriting...frankly, A Day in the Life alone lifts it beyond The White Album. I think people maybe just get sick of hearing of how Pepper is the best album ever (it isn't) and it's kind of counter-culture to prefer something like Magical Mystery Tour or White, but I honestly don't see how anyone could argue those are better records. (I still only ever listen to Pepper with Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane on, it really needs more singles in my opinion. Revolver and Abbey Road were always the clear best Beatles albums to me, consistency and a tone with great songwriting in the individual tracks too.) Yeah, I don't go in for Magical Mystery Tour being better than Pepper. For a start, it's only a compilation album, not a proper studio album. The material it compiles is pretty great--this is post-Beatlemania Beatles, after all--but naturally I don't think it flows particularly well, or feels very cohesive. And it still has stuff like 'Blue Jay Way', 'Your Mother Should Know', and 'Baby You're a Rich Man' on there, which, while not without their plus points, all seem to me to be indicative of the troubles each songwriting Beatle felt finding their feet again in the second half of '67, after the extraordinary success of Pepper. I would point out that the fact it has no consistent vibe or concept is entirely the point of such a sprawling album as the White Album, but I can also understand that that box of musical treats thing is not to everyone's taste. In Rolling Stone the other month someone pointed out what is for me one of the most intriguing things about the White Album: how many of the songs can seem brilliant on one listen, and baffling and impossibly slight on another. Even to fans. It must be the fragmentary quality of a lot of the songs that makes the material so slippy. But I kinda like that. And, who knows, maybe some of the 11 songs you don't care much for currently may grow in your estimation? I know I have reviewed my opinion of White Album songs more than probably any other album. And usually favourably. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 23, 2018 7:41:46 GMT -5
November 9, November 9, November 9 You said the White Album is your favourite album. But have you ever found it within yourself to like 'Revolution 9'? I've gotta say, it's grown on me ever so slightly. Parts of it I like. And, having read Ian MacDonald's brilliant book Revolution in the Head, I think I know what Lennon was at least trying to do. MacDonald says something about the piece predicting the way our brains would become like in the information age, like internet browsers with a hundred tabs open. Going back to Lennon's finished piece, you can hear that, with the random shit--some funny, some silly, and some downright unsettling--rising to the surface and then disappearing again, all fighting for your attention. Over time it grew on me. Obviously as a kid it went over my head and now it’s not something I’d listen to individually, it works amazingly as the penultimate piece leading into ‘Good Night’ - Have you listened in a pitch black room with headphones? A must do! Haha! |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 23, 2018 9:14:20 GMT -5
You said the White Album is your favourite album. But have you ever found it within yourself to like 'Revolution 9'? I've gotta say, it's grown on me ever so slightly. Parts of it I like. And, having read Ian MacDonald's brilliant book Revolution in the Head, I think I know what Lennon was at least trying to do. MacDonald says something about the piece predicting the way our brains would become like in the information age, like internet browsers with a hundred tabs open. Going back to Lennon's finished piece, you can hear that, with the random shit--some funny, some silly, and some downright unsettling--rising to the surface and then disappearing again, all fighting for your attention. Over time it grew on me. Obviously as a kid it went over my head and now it’s not something I’d listen to individually, it works amazingly as the penultimate piece leading into ‘Good Night’ - Have you listened in a pitch black room with headphones? A must do! Haha! Not yet. But I'm getting the reissue on vinyl (as well as the CD boxset--disgusting levels of fanboyism, I know), and I mostly like to listen to records in the evening and with the lights shut off to take it all in better, so that's what I'll be doing come November 9, November 9, November 9 ... El Dorado!  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 23, 2018 10:31:55 GMT -5
Who are the beatles?
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Post by andybellwillring on Oct 23, 2018 10:42:34 GMT -5
I think I'd have to say... 'The Best of the Beatles'
Jokes aside, I have a soft spot for Rubber Soul for some reason.
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 23, 2018 12:49:50 GMT -5
Over time it grew on me. Obviously as a kid it went over my head and now it’s not something I’d listen to individually, it works amazingly as the penultimate piece leading into ‘Good Night’ - Have you listened in a pitch black room with headphones? A must do! Haha! Not yet. But I'm getting the reissue on vinyl (as well as the CD boxset--disgusting levels of fanboyism, I know), and I mostly like to listen to records in the evening and with the lights shut off to take it all in better, so that's what I'll be doing come November 9, November 9, November 9 ... El Dorado! I’ll be doing the same. I’ll listen to the remix first night, then the Esher sessions the second night and then the outtakes. 3 nights of the white album in a black room. |
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Post by matt on Oct 23, 2018 15:03:00 GMT -5
Yes, quite a bit. However, even when I didn't rate in their catalogue as much, it was always a vastly superior record to The White Album to me. The consistent vibe, the concept, the much more melodic songwriting...frankly, A Day in the Life alone lifts it beyond The White Album. I think people maybe just get sick of hearing of how Pepper is the best album ever (it isn't) and it's kind of counter-culture to prefer something like Magical Mystery Tour or White, but I honestly don't see how anyone could argue those are better records. (I still only ever listen to Pepper with Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane on, it really needs more singles in my opinion. Revolver and Abbey Road were always the clear best Beatles albums to me, consistency and a tone with great songwriting in the individual tracks too.) Yeah, I don't go in for Magical Mystery Tour being better than Pepper. For a start, it's only a compilation album, not a proper studio album. The material it compiles is pretty great--this is post-Beatlemania Beatles, after all--but naturally I don't think it flows particularly well, or feels very cohesive. And it still has stuff like 'Blue Jay Way', 'Your Mother Should Know', and 'Baby You're a Rich Man' on there, which, while not without their plus points, all seem to me to be indicative of the troubles each songwriting Beatle felt finding their feet again in the second half of '67, after the extraordinary success of Pepper. I would point out that the fact it has no consistent vibe or concept is entirely the point of such a sprawling album as the White Album, but I can also understand that that box of musical treats thing is not to everyone's taste. In Rolling Stone the other month someone pointed out what is for me one of the most intriguing things about the White Album: how many of the songs can seem brilliant on one listen, and baffling and impossibly slight on another. Even to fans. It must be the fragmentary quality of a lot of the songs that makes the material so slippy. But I kinda like that. And, who knows, maybe some of the 11 songs you don't care much for currently may grow in your estimation? I know I have reviewed my opinion of White Album songs more than probably any other album. And usually favourably. I agree about the sprawling nature of it. Years ago, I’d have agreed with George Martin and McCartney in wanting Revolution No 9 off the album in place of, say, Hey Jude. But then again, Hey Jude would be the conventional choice for a conventional album. It was only after I listened to the follow up Good Night - which is as much of a u-turn musically as you could get - that somehow Rev #9 suddenly clicked. I don’t understand it and I never will, it’s still not something I listen to in isolation or by choice but my god it somehow works as the nightmarish predecessor to the last lullaby. That kind of madness works for the album. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 23, 2018 15:19:12 GMT -5
1. Abbey Road
2. Revolver
3. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
4. Magical Mystery Tour
5. Rubber Soul
6. The White Album
7. Help
8. A Hard Day's Night
9. Please Please Me
10. Let it Be
11. With the Beatles
12. Beatles for Sale
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 23, 2018 17:41:26 GMT -5
Yes, quite a bit. However, even when I didn't rate in their catalogue as much, it was always a vastly superior record to The White Album to me. The consistent vibe, the concept, the much more melodic songwriting...frankly, A Day in the Life alone lifts it beyond The White Album. I think people maybe just get sick of hearing of how Pepper is the best album ever (it isn't) and it's kind of counter-culture to prefer something like Magical Mystery Tour or White, but I honestly don't see how anyone could argue those are better records. (I still only ever listen to Pepper with Strawberry Fields Forever and Penny Lane on, it really needs more singles in my opinion. Revolver and Abbey Road were always the clear best Beatles albums to me, consistency and a tone with great songwriting in the individual tracks too.) Yeah, I don't go in for Magical Mystery Tour being better than Pepper. For a start, it's only a compilation album, not a proper studio album. The material it compiles is pretty great--this is post-Beatlemania Beatles, after all--but naturally I don't think it flows particularly well, or feels very cohesive. And it still has stuff like 'Blue Jay Way', 'Your Mother Should Know', and 'Baby You're a Rich Man' on there, which, while not without their plus points, all seem to me to be indicative of the troubles each songwriting Beatle felt finding their feet again in the second half of '67, after the extraordinary success of Pepper. I would point out that the fact it has no consistent vibe or concept is entirely the point of such a sprawling album as the White Album, but I can also understand that that box of musical treats thing is not to everyone's taste. In Rolling Stone the other month someone pointed out what is for me one of the most intriguing things about the White Album: how many of the songs can seem brilliant on one listen, and baffling and impossibly slight on another. Even to fans. It must be the fragmentary quality of a lot of the songs that makes the material so slippy. But I kinda like that. And, who knows, maybe some of the 11 songs you don't care much for currently may grow in your estimation? I know I have reviewed my opinion of White Album songs more than probably any other album. And usually favourably. Double albums are supposed to be like this, the sprawling nature is the point, being a bit of a mess, where each song is it own entity, great double albums are all like this: Mellon Collie, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, Exile, Physical Graffiti... |
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Post by lahaine on Oct 23, 2018 17:48:35 GMT -5
1. Abbey Road 2. Revolver 3. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 4. Magical Mystery Tour 5. Rubber Soul 6. The White Album 7. Help 8. A Hard Day's Night 9. Please Please Me 10. Let it Be 11. With the Beatles 12. Beatles for Sale 1. The White Album 2. Revolver 3. Magical Mystery Tour 4. Rubber Soul 6. Sgt Pepper 7. Abbey Road 8. A Hard Days Night 9. Let It Be 10. Help 11. With the Beatles 12. Beatles for Sale 13. Please Please Me What does everyone of the Beatles Anthology's albums? I love the 2nd one, just chockful of great different takes of songs. Plus it's got Real Love which was my favorite song from the two released. Also I'm Only Sleeping (take 1) with Lennon and McCartney just on guitars singing together is fantastic. It also has the best version of Lennon's Across The Universe imo. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 23, 2018 17:49:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't go in for Magical Mystery Tour being better than Pepper. For a start, it's only a compilation album, not a proper studio album. The material it compiles is pretty great--this is post-Beatlemania Beatles, after all--but naturally I don't think it flows particularly well, or feels very cohesive. And it still has stuff like 'Blue Jay Way', 'Your Mother Should Know', and 'Baby You're a Rich Man' on there, which, while not without their plus points, all seem to me to be indicative of the troubles each songwriting Beatle felt finding their feet again in the second half of '67, after the extraordinary success of Pepper. I would point out that the fact it has no consistent vibe or concept is entirely the point of such a sprawling album as the White Album, but I can also understand that that box of musical treats thing is not to everyone's taste. In Rolling Stone the other month someone pointed out what is for me one of the most intriguing things about the White Album: how many of the songs can seem brilliant on one listen, and baffling and impossibly slight on another. Even to fans. It must be the fragmentary quality of a lot of the songs that makes the material so slippy. But I kinda like that. And, who knows, maybe some of the 11 songs you don't care much for currently may grow in your estimation? I know I have reviewed my opinion of White Album songs more than probably any other album. And usually favourably. I agree about the sprawling nature of it. Years ago, I’d have agreed with George Martin and McCartney in wanting Revolution No 9 off the album in place of, say, Hey Jude. But then again, Hey Jude would be the conventional choice for a conventional album. It was only after I listened to the follow up Good Night - which is as much of a u-turn musically as you could get - that somehow Rev #9 suddenly clicked. I don’t understand it and I never will, it’s still not something I listen to in isolation or by choice but my god it somehow works as the nightmarish predecessor to the last lullaby. That kind of madness works for the album. I like to think of the three Lennon compositions that close the album as being like a suite, with each track highlighting their creator's contradictory character and tumultuous mind. He skewered the upper-classes and said a working-class hero was something to be, and he scoffed at McCartney's "boring songs about boring people" songs like 'Lovely Rita' and 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer', and yet there is 'Cry Baby Cry', a whimsical song about a King and Queen and their children, affecting a vaguely musical hall style. Then you've got 'Revolution 9', showing his newfound interest in avant-garde musique concrète (only a couple of years previously, he'd still been coming out with his favourite line, "'Avant-garde is French for bullshit.") And then 'Good Night', the musical equivalent of being wrapped up in a big blanket, all lush strings and pitch-perfect operatic backing vocals. We all know what a lousy job Lennon made of being a father to Julian, and yet here he was writing him a tender lullaby. Perhaps he was hoping to express things he didn't know how to express at home? But it's not just Lennon who gets in on the musical schizophrenia, of course. Props to Macca for following 'Why don't we do it in the road?' with 'I Will'. And George's beautiful and heartfelt 'Long, Long, Long' is the perfect comedown after 'Helter Skelter'. It's not hard to see why people who love the White Album REALLY do love it. As much as people like to say "It's their White Album" about albums made by bands in slightly adventurous moods, there is nothing like the real thing for that no-fucks-given attitude. |
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Post by lahaine on Oct 23, 2018 17:50:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't go in for Magical Mystery Tour being better than Pepper. For a start, it's only a compilation album, not a proper studio album. The material it compiles is pretty great--this is post-Beatlemania Beatles, after all--but naturally I don't think it flows particularly well, or feels very cohesive. And it still has stuff like 'Blue Jay Way', 'Your Mother Should Know', and 'Baby You're a Rich Man' on there, which, while not without their plus points, all seem to me to be indicative of the troubles each songwriting Beatle felt finding their feet again in the second half of '67, after the extraordinary success of Pepper. I would point out that the fact it has no consistent vibe or concept is entirely the point of such a sprawling album as the White Album, but I can also understand that that box of musical treats thing is not to everyone's taste. In Rolling Stone the other month someone pointed out what is for me one of the most intriguing things about the White Album: how many of the songs can seem brilliant on one listen, and baffling and impossibly slight on another. Even to fans. It must be the fragmentary quality of a lot of the songs that makes the material so slippy. But I kinda like that. And, who knows, maybe some of the 11 songs you don't care much for currently may grow in your estimation? I know I have reviewed my opinion of White Album songs more than probably any other album. And usually favourably. Double albums are supposed to be like this, the sprawling nature is the point, being a bit of a mess, where each song is it own entity, great double albums are all like this: Mellon Collie, Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, Exile, Physical Graffiti... I didn't think Exile on Main street has a stinker on it imo, also same goes for London Calling and Physical Graffiti. Some double albums are just fantastic, some can be great and still have a few stinkers on it like The White Album and Mellon Collie. |
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Post by daviesh on Oct 24, 2018 15:56:32 GMT -5
You said the White Album is your favourite album. But have you ever found it within yourself to like 'Revolution 9'? I've gotta say, it's grown on me ever so slightly. Parts of it I like. And, having read Ian MacDonald's brilliant book Revolution in the Head, I think I know what Lennon was at least trying to do. MacDonald says something about the piece predicting the way our brains would become like in the information age, like internet browsers with a hundred tabs open. Going back to Lennon's finished piece, you can hear that, with the random shit--some funny, some silly, and some downright unsettling--rising to the surface and then disappearing again, all fighting for your attention. Over time it grew on me. Obviously as a kid it went over my head and now it’s not something I’d listen to individually, it works amazingly as the penultimate piece leading into ‘Good Night’ - Have you listened in a pitch black room with headphones? A must do! Haha! Back in the day when I was a young lad, me and my mates would get high and listen to revolution no. 9 in the dark. We would call it 'reving out' some of the mad cackling and gibberish would crack us up it was hilarious, you really get to hear all of the individual elements of the song. Like others have said Good Night is the perfect song to follow it, the calm warm reassuring hug after the mad acid trip. Good times. |
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 25, 2018 20:27:20 GMT -5
Over time it grew on me. Obviously as a kid it went over my head and now it’s not something I’d listen to individually, it works amazingly as the penultimate piece leading into ‘Good Night’ - Have you listened in a pitch black room with headphones? A must do! Haha! Back in the day when I was a young lad, me and my mates would get high and listen to revolution no. 9 in the dark. We would call it 'reving out' some of the mad cackling and gibberish would crack us up it was hilarious, you really get to hear all of the individual elements of the song. Like others have said Good Night is the perfect song to follow it, the calm warm reassuring hug after the mad acid trip. Good times. Even without being high, Revolution 9 alone in the dark is terrifying. It reminds me of the haunted Overlook hotel from the Shining but in musical form. I've always loved it and I think you got part of the reason why: how it leads into the sweet and tender Goodnight. |
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Oct 25, 2018 22:11:37 GMT -5
Back in the day when I was a young lad, me and my mates would get high and listen to revolution no. 9 in the dark. We would call it 'reving out' some of the mad cackling and gibberish would crack us up it was hilarious, you really get to hear all of the individual elements of the song. Like others have said Good Night is the perfect song to follow it, the calm warm reassuring hug after the mad acid trip. Good times. Even without being high, Revolution 9 alone in the dark is terrifying. It reminds me of the haunted Overlook hotel from the Shining but in musical form. I've always loved it and I think you got part of the reason why: how it leads into the sweet and tender Goodnight. We used to listen to it with a strobe light on Madness. Roll on Nov. 9. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Oct 28, 2018 8:24:30 GMT -5
Well, here’s another place you can be.
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Post by NYR on Oct 28, 2018 11:58:43 GMT -5
Anyone disappointed there's no "Carnival of Light" in the box?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 28, 2018 12:11:04 GMT -5
Anyone disappointed there's no "Carnival of Light" in the box? Nope. Not from those sessions. Word is it sucks anyways. |
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Post by NYR on Oct 28, 2018 12:23:16 GMT -5
Anyone disappointed there's no "Carnival of Light" in the box? Nope. Not from those sessions. Word is it sucks anyways. I thought it was from '68… is it from '67? |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Oct 28, 2018 13:17:39 GMT -5
Nope. Not from those sessions. Word is it sucks anyways. I thought it was from '68… is it from '67? It was recorded in 1967. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 28, 2018 19:10:58 GMT -5
It's shit song anyway, you are not missing much.
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Oct 28, 2018 20:23:29 GMT -5
It's shit song anyway, you are not missing much. Can't imagine there is much left that's decent. Most hard core fans have heard all the bootlegs. After this round of releases, probably gonna be done. If this tune was was even marginally good, would have been on Anthology. Would like to hear it, but legacy and all that. |
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