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Post by morning_rain on Jun 26, 2018 2:50:38 GMT -5
As the title says: Do you consider the WBTM album cycle a failure?
I don't know exactly how well it made in sales terms. But It seems to me this album has been far less relevant than any of his other solo albums, even in this forum things have been quiet for a while and I'm not even comparing it with Liam's.
No hit singles, lack of promotion, dull interviews and the girl with scissors thing was only interesting the first two times he mentioned it.
So for my part: yes. Of course is not a bad album (slightly better than Chasing Yesterday maybe) but a weak album cycle in my opinion.
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 26, 2018 3:09:40 GMT -5
Nah.
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Post by mancraider on Jun 26, 2018 3:24:58 GMT -5
Not the biggest fan of the Album but I don't see how you can call it a failure. #1 in UK charts, arena tour more or less sold out. Playing bigger venues in US than he has before. You say your not comparing it to Liam's album but really that's the only way you could say it's a failure imo, if you are comparing the two. By any other measure it has done the business.
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Post by crisppacket on Jun 26, 2018 3:41:20 GMT -5
Boring? Yeah
But a failure? Nah, it was REVOLUTIONARY
Tbh whatever his album was, it was never going to be talked about as much as Liam’s comeback
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 26, 2018 3:44:44 GMT -5
It's critically acclaimed, reached #1 in a couple of countries, and has sold pretty well so far.
No it didn't have any hit singles but Holy Mountain did quite well.
All in all I think it does rather well for an album with barely any promo.
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Post by Parka Flames on Jun 26, 2018 4:00:36 GMT -5
"Failure" is a strong word. WBTM hasn't done as well commercially compared to NGHFB and CY, and in my opinion it is inferior to either of those albums, but it still went to #1 and the tour has been successful.
I think Liam being back on the scene in a big way probably hampered this album's success. Beady Eye were never really taken seriously as NGHFB's competition, but that's all changed now obviously with the success of AYW.
Plus Noel is still Noel, despite what some people think, and the bizarre attitude toward him that a lot of fans seem to have adopted. Team Noel and Team Liam? Piss off
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jun 26, 2018 4:02:52 GMT -5
It couldn't be considered a failure in terms of selling CDs and concert tickets. It was a failure in my eyes only in the fact that I hated all of it except "Dead in the Water."
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Post by bogaloo on Jun 26, 2018 5:39:40 GMT -5
It's critically acclaimed, reached #1 in a couple of countries, and has sold pretty well so far. No it didn't have any hit singles but Holy Mountain did quite well. All in all I think it does rather well for an album with barely any promo. You just took the words off my mouth. Also, been to the gig last week in Taormina and that was the best I EVER heard Noel sound, the band just gels. I can honestly say it was one of the best gigs I've ever been to by any artist I like, and there are many and very different in "styles". |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 26, 2018 5:58:53 GMT -5
I don't really judge a man who has achieved pretty much everything sales wise on how many records they flog when they're 50. It sold fine but much more importantly it shows a broadening of horizons, I don't think it works entirely but a failiure? Not really.
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Post by mossy on Jun 26, 2018 8:17:18 GMT -5
Dua Lipa has been more successful than Noel recently in terms of album sales, singles sales and dance routines, perhaps we should change the forum to be dedicated to her instead?  X |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 26, 2018 8:56:51 GMT -5
Dua Lipa has been more successful than Noel recently in terms of album sales, singles sales and dance routines, perhaps we should change the forum to be dedicated to her instead? X She's so fit. ...What? She is! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 26, 2018 8:59:03 GMT -5
How many units has it sold at this point? 250K?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 26, 2018 9:00:54 GMT -5
As the title says: Do you consider the WBTM album cycle a failure? I don't know exactly how well it made in sales terms. But It seems to me this album has been far less relevant than any of his other solo albums, even in this forum things have been quiet for a while and I'm not even comparing it with Liam's. No hit singles, lack of promotion, dull interviews and the girl with scissors thing was only interesting the first two times he mentioned it. So for my part: yes. Of course is not a bad album (slightly better than Chasing Yesterday maybe) but a weak album cycle in my opinion. I mean Holy Mountain did get to #31 but more importantly stayed in the top 100 for 3 months. Usually a Noel or even latter era Oasis single hangs around 2-3 weeks and then gone for good. Love it or hate it, but Holy Mountain did the business for Noel this go around. |
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Post by mossy on Jun 26, 2018 9:33:27 GMT -5
As the title says: Do you consider the WBTM album cycle a failure? I don't know exactly how well it made in sales terms. But It seems to me this album has been far less relevant than any of his other solo albums, even in this forum things have been quiet for a while and I'm not even comparing it with Liam's. No hit singles, lack of promotion, dull interviews and the girl with scissors thing was only interesting the first two times he mentioned it. So for my part: yes. Of course is not a bad album (slightly better than Chasing Yesterday maybe) but a weak album cycle in my opinion. I mean Holy Mountain did get to #31 but more importantly stayed in the top 100 for 3 months. Usually a Noel or even latter era Oasis single hangs around 2-3 weeks and then gone for good. Love it or hate it, but Holy Mountain did the business for Noel this go around. Dua Lipa has spent over 120 weeks in the top 40 and she has a much better haircut than Noel, I really do think we should be considering rebranding the forum in her name. X  |
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 26, 2018 10:49:19 GMT -5
I think it's sold fine, and I suspect to the usual fan base by and large. I don't like the album and haven't had any interest in any of the tour or his interviews, or his dancing and general weirdness recently.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jun 26, 2018 11:34:06 GMT -5
Dua Lipa has been more successful than Noel recently in terms of album sales, singles sales and dance routines, perhaps we should change the forum to be dedicated to her instead? X I always walk around in just my bra as well. Not really, but with a body like that I probably would. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 26, 2018 12:41:10 GMT -5
Star Wars Han Solo spoiler alert............................................
Noel adding Dead In The Water at the very end was a big cheat to me and totally not needed given the nature of these recording sessions. Kinda like tossing in Darth Maul at the tail end of SOLO. Not fucking needed.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jun 26, 2018 12:45:33 GMT -5
Star Wars Han Solo spoiler alert............................................ Noel adding Dead In The Water at the very end was a big cheat to me and totally not needed given the nature of these recording sessions. Kinda like tossing in Darth Maul at the tail end of SOLO. Not fucking needed. While I agree it doesn't really fit into the album, if it wasn't there, I would've gone an entire album cycle without liking ONE of the songs, so I'm ok it's there. Really disappointing album for me. |
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Post by funhouse on Jun 26, 2018 14:03:00 GMT -5
I never knew Dua Lipa was the name of an actual person. But I guess I will go to Google now...
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jun 26, 2018 23:21:36 GMT -5
Star Wars Han Solo spoiler alert............................................ Noel adding Dead In The Water at the very end was a big cheat to me and totally not needed given the nature of these recording sessions. Kinda like tossing in Darth Maul at the tail end of SOLO. Not fucking needed. While I agree it doesn't really fit into the album, if it wasn't there, I would've gone an entire album cycle without liking ONE of the songs, so I'm ok it's there. Really disappointing album for me. I suggest taking some PCP and listening to 'If Cats Are The Law', great bong...... 'Dead In The Water' is a great song but made for people who sleep with socks on; I think I've seen you championing Líam's album, which is cheeseballs, so.... Thanks. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jun 27, 2018 3:46:09 GMT -5
It will probably end up selling more than CY, it is supporting a successful tour heavily based on the album and has had the best reviews of an Oasis-related album since the 90s
So yes, total failure
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 27, 2018 8:15:07 GMT -5
Star Wars Han Solo spoiler alert............................................ Noel adding Dead In The Water at the very end was a big cheat to me and totally not needed given the nature of these recording sessions. Kinda like tossing in Darth Maul at the tail end of SOLO. Not fucking needed. While I agree it doesn't really fit into the album, if it wasn't there, I would've gone an entire album cycle without liking ONE of the songs, so I'm ok it's there. Really disappointing album for me. It’s a total cop out at the end. He makes all these bold statements leading up to the album about studio written only material with Holmes to be used. Then he slaps this on at the very very end. Tries to mask it by calling it a “bonus” track. It doesn’t fit sonically at all. Or the ethos of this collaboration. I love that Holmes lobbied against it. He lost but glad he tried. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jun 27, 2018 15:06:14 GMT -5
It is failure in my heart.
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Post by matt on Jun 27, 2018 17:22:49 GMT -5
It will probably end up selling more than CY, it is supporting a successful tour heavily based on the album and has had the best reviews of an Oasis-related album since the 90s So yes, total failure This. Just imagine if Noel kept releasing the same old same old every single time. There’s definitely a limit to Noel’s standard tropes before people would have started getting tired. Oasis could churn out shite album after shite album because they were merely a heritage act at the end, didn’t matter what they released it was only ever an excuse to get out and play those classics. Noel doesn’t have that name to run on, even if he did write the songs, and I don’t have any doubt that if he had kept releasing the same solo album time and time again he really would have sunk to complete irrelevance. He mixed it up for this one with the sound, and it was definitely the right time. If he wants to continue having a worthy solo career, he needs to stray further into new territory, maybe even go experimental? Anything else is a cop out from him. |
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Post by frogerz on Jun 28, 2018 1:19:38 GMT -5
It's clearly not a failure as others have stated above. However from a personal perspective I saw him on the CY tour 6 times and ended up selling my tickets for this time round. Something was missing in my opinion and I'm certainly not the only one who thinks that.
The tour seems boring in terms of the set especially when you look at Liam mixing it up.
I'm well aware however some people love this album cycle so each to their own. Personally I'm hoping for better next time round..
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