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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 8:56:08 GMT -5
As long as I enjoy the music, then an album cycle is not a failure because I benefited from it.
In this case... I quite like the music.
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Post by morning_rain on Jun 28, 2018 9:44:53 GMT -5
Yeah maybe the word failure is too strong. I only meant this album cycle has felt weaker, but reading your comments it might be just me.
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Post by jeffrey on Jun 28, 2018 14:04:57 GMT -5
In my opinion, the album is basically unlistenable. It has one great song (TMWBTM) and several that if released by another artist, I’d dismiss as complete and utter shit. I couldn’t care less about record sales, but you’re using those and ticket sales to qualify the term, so I don’t know how someone could say it was a failure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 15:20:13 GMT -5
I think the live show is great, and I'm really happy that Noel stretched his wings (pun intended) in that regard. The album is mostly meh though. The songs just aren't good enough.
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Post by DCUnited on Jun 29, 2018 21:54:25 GMT -5
Its not a failure. Album sales are pretty much similar to Chasing Yesterday. The tour seems to be selling well.
Personally, I was done with the album after a week and have 0 interest in going to any shows or even looking for gigs or interviews on youtube. I'll be interested in what he does next tho.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 30, 2018 7:58:37 GMT -5
It's critically acclaimed, reached #1 in a couple of countries, and has sold pretty well so far. No it didn't have any hit singles but Holy Mountain did quite well. All in all I think it does rather well for an album with barely any promo. Holy Mountain actually was a mini hit, it had nice chart run |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 30, 2018 8:38:18 GMT -5
It's critically acclaimed, reached #1 in a couple of countries, and has sold pretty well so far. No it didn't have any hit singles but Holy Mountain did quite well. All in all I think it does rather well for an album with barely any promo. Holy Mountain actually was a mini hit, it had nice chart run For a 50 year old, 3 months in the top 100 is tremendous. I was expecting a 2-3 week run. |
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Post by franklomax on Jun 30, 2018 19:07:42 GMT -5
In my opinion, the album is basically unlistenable. I agree. I consider the album cycle a failure in this sense. Outside of "Dead in the Water", I can't bring myself to listen to the album. I tried 3 times. |
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jul 1, 2018 0:23:50 GMT -5
"Dead in the Water" is the only song I like on the record. Clearly, Noel didn't make the album for troglodytes but it's the first time I've ever passed on paying for Noel's music. But he doesn't need the money so I'm sure he couldn't care less.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 1, 2018 15:04:36 GMT -5
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Post by magicman on Jul 1, 2018 15:42:57 GMT -5
without "dead in the water", yeah probably
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Post by World71R on Jul 1, 2018 22:31:40 GMT -5
You guys talk about WBTM like it's Heathen Chemistry or something, which is an absolute mess. WBTM is a good album with quality tunes (Fort Knox, Holy Mountain, It's a Beautiful World, She Taught Me How To Fly, If Love is the Law, The Man Who Built the Moon, Dead in the Water are all 7.5/10 or higher imo) and some nice tunes outside of that (Keep on Reaching, Black & White Sunshine, Be Careful What You Wish For; all 6/10 or higher). It feels like a movie soundtrack and it has a great flow to it, especially once you move the first interlude to after STMHTF, and Noel nailed the tracklisting. Noel has done some very good shows and the High Flying Birds is becoming fully realized with his large band and his live & studio sound is good (his performance on NPR's World Cafe comes to mind). I'd like to hear another batch of Holmes/Noel songs, except with some better lyrics, since I think the next batch is really going to come to life, even moreso than this batch, if Noel can continue on his experimental path.
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Post by World71R on Jul 1, 2018 22:57:39 GMT -5
While I agree it doesn't really fit into the album, if it wasn't there, I would've gone an entire album cycle without liking ONE of the songs, so I'm ok it's there. Really disappointing album for me. It’s a total cop out at the end. He makes all these bold statements leading up to the album about studio written only material with Holmes to be used. Then he slaps this on at the very very end. Tries to mask it by calling it a “bonus” track. It doesn’t fit sonically at all. Or the ethos of this collaboration. I love that Holmes lobbied against it. He lost but glad he tried. But Dead in the Water is a really good and heartfelt tune. The recording practically captures lightning in a bottle considering it's just Noel doing his thing beautifully in front of a mic without even knowing they were doing it. It's great. Plus, if you look at the album like a soundtrack, it's like that one song after the outro music has ended and it's getting deep into the credits; something to keep you around to the end that's different from what has come before but still fits in within everything else. I love it, personally, but to each their own. |
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Post by freddy838 on Jul 2, 2018 1:30:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure I really understand this listen to it like a soundtrack thing. I just judge it on how many songs I don't want to skip which isn't many, and to be fair I think Ballad of the Mighty I, Riverman and the Right Stuff are better attempts of doing something different and Noel did those on his own (ok those Androgynous people get credit too). The production doesn't sound a lot different to CY to my ears either. Plus I agree about tagging Dead In The Water randomly on the end because Noel clearly didn't think there was enough material for a whole album. Then there's no comparison between his and Liam's shows in terms of entertainment factor. I think I'd rather Noel start a brand new band/project next time round with Marr, Weller or some other of his mates.
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Post by draper on Jul 2, 2018 3:34:07 GMT -5
I listened to his first two albums a lot more then to this one.
Tour seems to be a lot shorter then previous tours, unless they're
about to announce a shitload of new dates.
Kind of disappointed about the result of the experimental recordings...
couple of good tracks but a lot of mediocre stuff.
Bonus track stays the best one for me.
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Post by bogaloo on Jul 2, 2018 5:47:58 GMT -5
I listened to his first two albums a lot more then to this one. Tour seems to be a lot shorter then previous tours, unless they're about to announce a shitload of new dates. Kind of disappointed about the result of the experimental recordings... couple of good tracks but a lot of mediocre stuff. Bonus track stays the best one for me. I heard something about a south american tour being announced shortly for their Spring/ Summertime, in november. Don't know about more european dates after that. Spain and Portugal have been "uncovered" by the tour bar the bilbao festival, which os unusual, at least for Spain. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 2, 2018 6:20:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure I really understand this listen to it like a soundtrack thing. I just judge it on how many songs I don't want to skip which isn't many, and to be fair I think Ballad of the Mighty I, Riverman and the Right Stuff are better attempts of doing something different and Noel did those on his own (ok those Androgynous people get credit too). The production doesn't sound a lot different to CY to my ears either. Plus I agree about tagging Dead In The Water randomly on the end because Noel clearly didn't think there was enough material for a whole album. Then there's no comparison between his and Liam's shows in terms of entertainment factor. I think I'd rather Noel start a brand new band/project next time round with Marr, Weller or some other of his mates. ...entertainment factor? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jul 2, 2018 11:14:34 GMT -5
It’s a total cop out at the end. He makes all these bold statements leading up to the album about studio written only material with Holmes to be used. Then he slaps this on at the very very end. Tries to mask it by calling it a “bonus” track. It doesn’t fit sonically at all. Or the ethos of this collaboration. I love that Holmes lobbied against it. He lost but glad he tried. But Dead in the Water is a really good and heartfelt tune. The recording practically captures lightning in a bottle considering it's just Noel doing his thing beautifully in front of a mic without even knowing they were doing it. It's great. Plus, if you look at the album like a soundtrack, it's like that one song after the outro music has ended and it's getting deep into the credits; something to keep you around to the end that's different from what has come before but still fits in within everything else. I love it, personally, but to each their own. It was not needed at all for this Holmes project. Totally against the entire ethos. Save it for a one off single, soundtrack or future album. I like the dug but don't really dig the recording of it. Sounds like Noel is singing in the bathroom on the toilet. I much prefer the version he did back in April on RTL2. Vocals sound normal.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 13:48:16 GMT -5
I listened to his first two albums a lot more then to this one. Tour seems to be a lot shorter then previous tours, unless they're about to announce a shitload of new dates. Kind of disappointed about the result of the experimental recordings... couple of good tracks but a lot of mediocre stuff. Bonus track stays the best one for me. I heard something about a south american tour being announced shortly for their Spring/ Summertime, in november. Don't know about more european dates after that. Spain and Portugal have been "uncovered" by the tour bar the bilbao festival, which os unusual, at least for Spain. Do you have the link for that uncovering? I would appreciate it a lot since i´m from there and i would like to see Noel again. |
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Post by bogaloo on Jul 2, 2018 14:32:12 GMT -5
I heard something about a south american tour being announced shortly for their Spring/ Summertime, in november. Don't know about more european dates after that. Spain and Portugal have been "uncovered" by the tour bar the bilbao festival, which os unusual, at least for Spain. Do you have the link for that uncovering? I would appreciate it a lot since i´m from there and i would like to see Noel again. No, sorry! I meant that there have been some brazilian and argentinian sites mentioning some dates for october-november. Nothing mentioning Portugal or Spain- I just noticed there have been no dates so far for Madrid, Barcelona or Portugal so far, which is unusual- It's strange that Spain only gets one gig, at a festival, as both pevious tours have had at least 2-3 dates there. I'm sorry, but the last paragraph was only me thinking out loud... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 15:03:56 GMT -5
Do you have the link for that uncovering? I would appreciate it a lot since i´m from there and i would like to see Noel again. No, sorry! I meant that there have been some brazilian and argentinian sites mentioning some dates for october-november. Nothing mentioning Portugal or Spain- I just noticed there have been no dates so far for Madrid, Barcelona or Portugal so far, which is unusual- It's strange that Spain only gets one gig, at a festival, as both pevious tours have had at least 2-3 dates there. I'm sorry, but the last paragraph was only me thinking out loud... Oh tough luck.  It´s not surprising with the Gallagher's, at least in regards to Portugal. Noel only came here in one of the three album cycles until now, and it was in a festival in 2015. Liam seems to have no dates for here as well, he had one back in 2014 for Beady Eye but got called off. It´s sad, because there´s a big Oasis fan base here, bigger than some of the countries both have performed in their respective tours. Even with Oasis, a lot of their tours had no dates here. Only the SOTSOG, DBTT and DOYS tours had dates here and only one each time. Thank you anyway.  Guess i´ll eventually have to save up some money for an overseas trip, possibly Spain will be the cheapest way. |
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Post by bogaloo on Jul 2, 2018 15:21:51 GMT -5
No, sorry! I meant that there have been some brazilian and argentinian sites mentioning some dates for october-november. Nothing mentioning Portugal or Spain- I just noticed there have been no dates so far for Madrid, Barcelona or Portugal so far, which is unusual- It's strange that Spain only gets one gig, at a festival, as both pevious tours have had at least 2-3 dates there. I'm sorry, but the last paragraph was only me thinking out loud... Oh tough luck. It´s not surprising with the Gallagher's, at least in regards to Portugal. Noel only came here in one of the three album cycles until now, and it was in a festival in 2015. Liam seems to have no dates for here as well, he had one back in 2014 for Beady Eye but got called off. It´s sad, because there´s a big Oasis fan base here, bigger than some of the countries both have performed in their respective tours. Even with Oasis, a lot of their tours had no dates here. Only the SOTSOG, DBTT and DOYS tours had dates here and only one each time. Thank you anyway. Guess i´ll eventually have to save up some money for an overseas trip, possibly Spain will be the cheapest way. Do you remember what happened at that festival with the Liam walk off mid gig to some excuse of a plastic bottle being thrown onstage (one of those gigs in 2000, without Noel)... I have friends in PT, at least according to them, it's never been the same since then, even regarding media coverage and overall respect for the band... It's hardly a surprise they don't get to play there that often... But yeah, I would recommend going to a Noel gig, not a festival, if you can manage it 😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 15:31:47 GMT -5
Oh tough luck. It´s not surprising with the Gallagher's, at least in regards to Portugal. Noel only came here in one of the three album cycles until now, and it was in a festival in 2015. Liam seems to have no dates for here as well, he had one back in 2014 for Beady Eye but got called off. It´s sad, because there´s a big Oasis fan base here, bigger than some of the countries both have performed in their respective tours. Even with Oasis, a lot of their tours had no dates here. Only the SOTSOG, DBTT and DOYS tours had dates here and only one each time. Thank you anyway. Guess i´ll eventually have to save up some money for an overseas trip, possibly Spain will be the cheapest way. Do you remember what happened at that festival with the Liam walk off mid gig to some excuse of a plastic bottle being thrown onstage (one of those gigs in 2000, without Noel)... I have friends in PT, at least according to them, it's never been the same since then, even regarding media coverage and overall respect for the band... It's hardly a surprise they don't get to play there that often... But yeah, I would recommend going to a Noel gig, not a festival, if you can manage it 😀 I was very young back then but my cousin went there, and he always tells me that story when he sees me listening to Oasis. I think in regards to media coverage you are right, but you could say that for a lot of bands outside mainstream here. But i remember when they came here in 09, they got good press, they even got a spot in the weekly music program in one of the main channels, Liam gave a interview and all. I think their concert made the news the next day as well. I´ve found a lot of Oasis fans in my college lately, even peeps using their merchandise at all. I went to see Noel in 2015, when he came to Super Bock Super Rock and enjoyed it a lot. But that was the only time a Gallagher has come here since 09. And the set was a bit short. But to see them again, i think i´m going to have to go overseas i guess. |
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Post by cigarsinhell on Jul 3, 2018 4:15:56 GMT -5
You guys talk about WBTM like it's Heathen Chemistry or something, which is an absolute mess. WBTM is a good album with quality tunes (Fort Knox, Holy Mountain, It's a Beautiful World, She Taught Me How To Fly, If Love is the Law, The Man Who Built the Moon, Dead in the Water are all 7.5/10 or higher imo) and some nice tunes outside of that (Keep on Reaching, Black & White Sunshine, Be Careful What You Wish For; all 6/10 or higher). It feels like a movie soundtrack and it has a great flow to it, especially once you move the first interlude to after STMHTF, and Noel nailed the tracklisting. Noel has done some very good shows and the High Flying Birds is becoming fully realized with his large band and his live & studio sound is good (his performance on NPR's World Cafe comes to mind). I'd like to hear another batch of Holmes/Noel songs, except with some better lyrics, since I think the next batch is really going to come to life, even moreso than this batch, if Noel can continue on his experimental path. I loved "Heathen Chemistry." |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 3, 2018 11:24:46 GMT -5
You guys talk about WBTM like it's Heathen Chemistry or something, which is an absolute mess. WBTM is a good album with quality tunes (Fort Knox, Holy Mountain, It's a Beautiful World, She Taught Me How To Fly, If Love is the Law, The Man Who Built the Moon, Dead in the Water are all 7.5/10 or higher imo) and some nice tunes outside of that (Keep on Reaching, Black & White Sunshine, Be Careful What You Wish For; all 6/10 or higher). It feels like a movie soundtrack and it has a great flow to it, especially once you move the first interlude to after STMHTF, and Noel nailed the tracklisting. Noel has done some very good shows and the High Flying Birds is becoming fully realized with his large band and his live & studio sound is good (his performance on NPR's World Cafe comes to mind). I'd like to hear another batch of Holmes/Noel songs, except with some better lyrics, since I think the next batch is really going to come to life, even moreso than this batch, if Noel can continue on his experimental path. Same. People calling this "unlistenable." That's called Heathen Chemistry. |
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It´s not surprising with the Gallagher's, at least in regards to Portugal. Noel only came here in one of the three album cycles until now, and it was in a festival in 2015. Liam seems to have no dates for here as well, he had one back in 2014 for Beady Eye but got called off. It´s sad, because there´s a big Oasis fan base here, bigger than some of the countries both have performed in their respective tours.
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