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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2019 18:30:43 GMT -5
These are professional filmmakers. I'd be surprised if they didn't know going in that they'd have to pay for rights to use the songs in a commercial film. Sounds to me (if Liam is being truthful) the issue is that rights are being denied altogether. Which would totally suck, hard to document Liam's comeback without showing him singing any Oasis songs. As the resident film critic, I can say that this happens all the time with films. Filmmakers edit with the belief that they will get the rights to a song, some will even edit with the song as a temp song/score. Rights are asked for after the edit, very late in the process. It also wouldn't be illogical for filmmakers to assume that Liam has the rights. Prince denied Kevin Smith from using one of his songs at the last minute, even after telling Smith that he loved Dogma. Eye of the Tiger was written at the last second because Stallone couldn't get the rights to Another One Bites the Dust. Cameron Crowe had to cut a scene from Almost Famous, it's in the delete scenes collection, because Led Zeppelin--even after giving him permission for four other songs, wouldn't do so for Stairway to Heaven. People would be surprised how common it is for filmmakers to ask for songs at the last second. In the grand scheme of a film's components, the soundtrack/music is like #90 on a list of 100 things (even a music doc) chronologically.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 18, 2019 19:26:06 GMT -5
I doubt oasis songs will make or break this doc. It’ll stand on its own. Has to or what is the point?
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Post by lalaland on Feb 18, 2019 19:39:17 GMT -5
I doubt oasis songs will make or break this doc. It’ll stand on its own. Has to or what is the point? Depends, I'd say. If, as per Liam's second tweet, it's just Live Forever at One Love that they're kicking off about then yeah, that'll hardly make or break the doc. If however they need to remove all Oasis songs then.... well... they're kinda a massive part of Liam's 'resurrection' and hence essential to the film, right?
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Post by shannee on Feb 18, 2019 20:36:07 GMT -5
These are professional filmmakers. I'd be surprised if they didn't know going in that they'd have to pay for rights to use the songs in a commercial film. Sounds to me (if Liam is being truthful) the issue is that rights are being denied altogether. Which would totally suck, hard to document Liam's comeback without showing him singing any Oasis songs. As the resident film critic, I can say that this happens all the time with films. Filmmakers edit with the belief that they will get the rights to a song, some will even edit with the song as a temp song/score. Rights are asked for after the edit, very late in the process. It also wouldn't be illogical for filmmakers to assume that Liam has the rights. Prince denied Kevin Smith from using one of his songs at the last minute, even after telling Smith that he loved Dogma. Eye of the Tiger was written at the last second because Stallone couldn't get the rights to Another One Bites the Dust. Cameron Crowe had to cut a scene from Almost Famous, it's in the delete scenes collection, because Led Zeppelin--even after giving him permission for four other songs, wouldn't do so for Stairway to Heaven. People would be surprised how common it is for filmmakers to ask for songs at the last second. In the grand scheme of a film's components, the soundtrack/music is like #90 on a list of 100 things (even a music doc) chronologically. Makes sense but if I was Charlie and knew I was depending on two of the biggest pita’s in the industry who were constantly pushing each other’s buttons I would have locked down those rights as early as possible. Because every single damn day is the risk of Liam blowing up on Twitter, pissing Noel off just enough to ruin the whole project. Who could work like that?? Crazy Since half of Liam’s live shows are Oasis a considerable amount must be in the movie. If they thought they could make a movie that was half oasis with out complete approval from Noel they were very foolish. Oasis is Noel’s legacy and I do not think he will let anyone fuck around with that. Maybe that’s the thing... maybe Noel wouldn’t give them the ok until he saw the final completed version. But you would have thought they could have at least got the ignition rights sorted early.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Feb 18, 2019 20:44:50 GMT -5
hes having troubles getting the rights to the songs, so his very next tweet he insults noel again and brings up the manchester gig...again. a little self destructive. Did you expect him to beg his brother to allow him to show a single performance? Noel blocked it, Liam not happy. Unsurprising. Him taking that in good grace which he shouldn’t was going to make little difference didnt expect him to beg, no. but maybe just leave it alone and shut-up instead of making the same insults over again...
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Post by Rain on Feb 18, 2019 23:54:09 GMT -5
Noel is always spoken on his songs and royalty payments if Liam sings them. Is it all Oasis songs or just Noel's? Ignition hasn't been kind to fans, to be honest with you. Liam is experiencing the ugliness of it. Ignition is about the interest of the Oasis brand and Money. It's about money. Noel is doing this because of his benefit, including his solo career. Overall it's sad two driven so apart now and as they're getting older. Noel and Liam are missing the family connection. It has become an ego and money driven reasons. I've read Sarah is quite involved, but there's a time where spouses should stay out with relationships. There will be a time when Noel or Liam will regret not just the fighting, but the time missed. They wouldn't be where they're at without each other. Noel and Ignition, The Real People are looking for their royalties too
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Post by MONO on Feb 19, 2019 2:36:13 GMT -5
Noel is always spoken on his songs and royalty payments if Liam sings them. Is it all Oasis songs or just Noel's? The ones he wrote/co-wrote (partly stole).
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Post by bt95 on Feb 19, 2019 3:56:46 GMT -5
Noel is always spoken on his songs and royalty payments if Liam sings them. Is it all Oasis songs or just Noel's? Ignition hasn't been kind to fans, to be honest with you. Liam is experiencing the ugliness of it. Ignition is about the interest of the Oasis brand and Money. It's about money. Noel is doing this because of his benefit, including his solo career. Overall it's sad two driven so apart now and as they're getting older. Noel and Liam are missing the family connection. It has become an ego and money driven reasons. I've read Sarah is quite involved, but there's a time where spouses should stay out with relationships. There will be a time when Noel or Liam will regret not just the fighting, but the time missed. They wouldn't be where they're at without each other. Noel and Ignition, The Real People are looking for their royalties too They just don't like each other. Can't be blaming anyone else anymore. They're both as bad as each other.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 19, 2019 4:32:31 GMT -5
Noel is always spoken on his songs and royalty payments if Liam sings them. Is it all Oasis songs or just Noel's? Ignition hasn't been kind to fans, to be honest with you. Liam is experiencing the ugliness of it. Ignition is about the interest of the Oasis brand and Money. It's about money. Noel is doing this because of his benefit, including his solo career. Overall it's sad two driven so apart now and as they're getting older. Noel and Liam are missing the family connection. It has become an ego and money driven reasons. I've read Sarah is quite involved, but there's a time where spouses should stay out with relationships. There will be a time when Noel or Liam will regret not just the fighting, but the time missed. They wouldn't be where they're at without each other. Noel and Ignition, The Real People are looking for their royalties too They just don't like each other. Can't be blaming anyone else anymore. They're both as bad as each other. I don't see why people feel the need to parcel out the blame to someone who showed up to an already adversarial relationship. Noel and Liam are grown men. No one is keeping them apart but each other imo.
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Post by coconutstall on Feb 19, 2019 5:06:15 GMT -5
Noel is a complete hypocrite, has whinged about Liam trying to sue him multiple times and used it to try and say he is a better person now here he is trying to sue Liam (allegedly).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 5:24:01 GMT -5
I think they both are cowards, they rather call the lawyers than try to solve things by actually talking to each other.
Anyway, I hope they make the necessary changes so we get to watch this thing soon!
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Feb 19, 2019 6:38:23 GMT -5
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Feb 19, 2019 8:35:29 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me if it was Noel that told Ignition to tell them "No" to any songs he's written being used in Liam's doc. You can tell that Liam really ticked him off when he started slagging off Sarah and his kids (and Liam's kids joining in). While I think Noel may have seen past it and allowed Liam to use the songs even after he sued him and called him a potato multiple times on his Twitter, attacking his family took it to a new level to him. It's why he's said there's not a chance that he'll reform Oasis and I'm sure it's why he's not willing to do something that would help Liam now.
And as for Liam having another go at Noel for not performing at that One Love concert:
1) Yes, Noel was on a vacation with his family at the time. But it was the last time he'd get to relax with them before rehearsing with his band and going out on a world tour to promote "Who Built the Moon." Yes, he could have flown in and did a solo song or two. But can you blame him for wanting to spend time with his family?
2) Fine, Noel didn't perform at the gig. But he quietly had it set up to donate the money he earned off of sales of "Don't Look Back In Anger" to charities to help the victims and their families. And while Liam has constantly talked about how he played the gig, we still wouldn't know what Noel quietly did for the charity if it weren't for Chris Martin coming to his defense.
3) It's great that Liam played the gig. But he was already on tour with his band and, let's be honest, his appearance was good press to help him and his album.
4) For as much as Liam goes on about him appearing at the One Love concert and Noel didn't, why doesn't he ever mention that Noel played at the We Are Manchester charity concert at the re-opening of the Manchester Arena while he was nowhere to be seen. Seems to me that makes them even.
I've said many times that I think both of them share the blame with everything that led up to the end of Oasis. But, if Liam treated Noel like he has on Twitter over these last few years, then I can easily see how Noel got tired of dealing with that and why he'd never want to work with Liam again because as cool as Liam can seem to be with his fans, he seems to be a constant jerk to Noel. If he's serious about wanting to have things be better between him and Noel and get Oasis back together, he should really stop insulting Noel and especially Noel's family and try to get in touch with Noel, off of social media, to try to meet up and start trying to hash things out. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening and instead, we'll keep seeing Liam act juvenile toward Noel and Noel act just a juvenile in return.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 19, 2019 9:04:18 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me if it was Noel that told Ignition to tell them "No" to any songs he's written being used in Liam's doc. You can tell that Liam really ticked him off when he started slagging off Sarah and his kids (and Liam's kids joining in). While I think Noel may have seen past it and allowed Liam to use the songs even after he sued him and called him a potato multiple times on his Twitter, attacking his family took it to a new level to him. It's why he's said there's not a chance that he'll reform Oasis and I'm sure it's why he's not willing to do something that would help Liam now. And as for Liam having another go at Noel for not performing at that One Love concert: 1) Yes, Noel was on a vacation with his family at the time. But it was the last time he'd get to relax with them before rehearsing with his band and going out on a world tour to promote "Who Built the Moon." Yes, he could have flown in and did a solo song or two. But can you blame him for wanting to spend time with his family? 2) Fine, Noel didn't perform at the gig. But he quietly had it set up to donate the money he earned off of sales of "Don't Look Back In Anger" to charities to help the victims and their families. And while Liam has constantly talked about how he played the gig, we still wouldn't know what Noel quietly did for the charity if it weren't for Chris Martin coming to his defense. 3) It's great that Liam played the gig. But he was already on tour with his band and, let's be honest, his appearance was good press to help him and his album. 4) For as much as Liam goes on about him appearing at the One Love concert and Noel didn't, why doesn't he ever mention that Noel played at the We Are Manchester charity concert at the re-opening of the Manchester Arena while he was nowhere to be seen. Seems to me that makes them even. I've said many times that I think both of them share the blame with everything that led up to the end of Oasis. But, if Liam treated Noel like he has on Twitter over these last few years, then I can easily see how Noel got tired of dealing with that and why he'd never want to work with Liam again because as cool as Liam can seem to be with his fans, he seems to be a constant jerk to Noel. If he's serious about wanting to have things be better between him and Noel and get Oasis back together, he should really stop insulting Noel and especially Noel's family and try to get in touch with Noel, off of social media, to try to meet up and start trying to hash things out. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening and instead, we'll keep seeing Liam act juvenile toward Noel and Noel act just a juvenile in return. A lot of that might be true if their story had started as soon as Noel’s press conference ended in 2011. Also should be noted that your cynicism seems to aimed in only one direction.direction
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Post by bt95 on Feb 19, 2019 9:42:46 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me if it was Noel that told Ignition to tell them "No" to any songs he's written being used in Liam's doc. You can tell that Liam really ticked him off when he started slagging off Sarah and his kids (and Liam's kids joining in). While I think Noel may have seen past it and allowed Liam to use the songs even after he sued him and called him a potato multiple times on his Twitter, attacking his family took it to a new level to him. It's why he's said there's not a chance that he'll reform Oasis and I'm sure it's why he's not willing to do something that would help Liam now. And as for Liam having another go at Noel for not performing at that One Love concert: 1) Yes, Noel was on a vacation with his family at the time. But it was the last time he'd get to relax with them before rehearsing with his band and going out on a world tour to promote "Who Built the Moon." Yes, he could have flown in and did a solo song or two. But can you blame him for wanting to spend time with his family? 2) Fine, Noel didn't perform at the gig. But he quietly had it set up to donate the money he earned off of sales of "Don't Look Back In Anger" to charities to help the victims and their families. And while Liam has constantly talked about how he played the gig, we still wouldn't know what Noel quietly did for the charity if it weren't for Chris Martin coming to his defense. 3) It's great that Liam played the gig. But he was already on tour with his band and, let's be honest, his appearance was good press to help him and his album. 4) For as much as Liam goes on about him appearing at the One Love concert and Noel didn't, why doesn't he ever mention that Noel played at the We Are Manchester charity concert at the re-opening of the Manchester Arena while he was nowhere to be seen. Seems to me that makes them even. I've said many times that I think both of them share the blame with everything that led up to the end of Oasis. But, if Liam treated Noel like he has on Twitter over these last few years, then I can easily see how Noel got tired of dealing with that and why he'd never want to work with Liam again because as cool as Liam can seem to be with his fans, he seems to be a constant jerk to Noel. If he's serious about wanting to have things be better between him and Noel and get Oasis back together, he should really stop insulting Noel and especially Noel's family and try to get in touch with Noel, off of social media, to try to meet up and start trying to hash things out. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening and instead, we'll keep seeing Liam act juvenile toward Noel and Noel act just a juvenile in return. A lot of that might be true if their story had started as soon as Noel’s press conference ended in 2011. Also should be noted that your cynicism seems to aimed in only one direction.direction Y'know, I actually re-watched that press conference yesterday. Liam isn't slated it it particularly. Noel describes his version of events - the fight etc, and the Pretty Green thing. That's it. Says Liam's probably better off without him because he's in charge (of Beady Eye, obviously). The only jibe is that laryngitis thing. And the quote is "He missed the V festival. Said he had laryngitis. Whatever." Totally get the message that Noel was getting across was trying to slander Liam, but people seem to be making a big deal that this presser was some kind of anti-Liam charge. It wasn't really. There were no jokes at Liam's expense. Clearly anger, but that was it. It's funny how people remember things, ey, or at least choose to. Noel/Ignition are doing something dickish here. It leaves a sour taste. I'm sure they have their reasons and legally they'll be within their rights. I don't think it's the right thing to do. Liam isn't innocent. People should stop pretending he is. It doesn't make this latest incident right, though.
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Post by Rolo on Feb 19, 2019 9:45:32 GMT -5
I don't get why completely unrelated events are being brought up here. Liam isn't innocent no, we all know that. In this instance though Noel is being an absolute dick, it's as simple as that.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 19, 2019 10:22:15 GMT -5
A lot of that might be true if their story had started as soon as Noel’s press conference ended in 2011. Also should be noted that your cynicism seems to aimed in only one direction.direction Y'know, I actually re-watched that press conference yesterday. Liam isn't slated it it particularly. Noel describes his version of events - the fight etc, and the Pretty Green thing. That's it. Says Liam's probably better off without him because he's in charge (of Beady Eye, obviously). The only jibe is that laryngitis thing. And the quote is "He missed the V festival. Said he had laryngitis. Whatever." Totally get the message that Noel was getting across was trying to slander Liam, but people seem to be making a big deal that this presser was some kind of anti-Liam charge. It wasn't really. There were no jokes at Liam's expense. Clearly anger, but that was it. It's funny how people remember things, ey, or at least choose to. Noel/Ignition are doing something dickish here. It leaves a sour taste. I'm sure they have their reasons and legally they'll be within their rights. I don't think it's the right thing to do. Liam isn't innocent. People should stop pretending he is. It doesn't make this latest incident right, though. And how do I remember it then? I haven’t gone in to any great deal of detail about the press conference but it seems you might be able to tell me how i’ve chosen to remember it. And if you could point out where me or anyone has described Liam as innocent. Because Noel is getting some flak doesn’t mean people think Liam is innocent. That’s you being defensive about it.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Feb 19, 2019 10:49:22 GMT -5
Nasty move from Noel, but truth being said, Liam was kind of asking for it for a long time now. Facts.
Saying that, doesn't Liam as an original singer of those songs have an equal right to perform them live and record his shows ? If not, that's clearly not fair. Those songs are recognisable and became anthems because of his voice. If i was him, i would leave them in the film, those songs are part of his identity, he IS the original performer of those songs. If it ends up in court, it's actually the perfect promotion both for Liam as persona and the movie itself. It will pay off.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 19, 2019 11:15:16 GMT -5
Nasty move from Noel, but truth being said, Liam was kind of asking for it for a long time now. Facts.
Saying that, doesn't Liam as an original singer of those songs have an equal right to perform them live and record his shows ? If not, that's clearly not fair. Those songs are recognisable and became anthems because of his voice. If i was him, i would leave them in the film, those songs are part of his identity, he IS the original performer of those songs. If it ends up in court, it's actually the perfect promotion both for Liam as persona and the movie itself. It will pay off.
With Noel being the control freak he is and Liam being the naive young man just wanting to be in a band? I doubt he has any right to those early songs. He signed whatever document was thrown his way and it mostly benefited Noel in the long run.
Pure speculation by the way.
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Post by bestwick8 on Feb 19, 2019 11:42:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 11:45:07 GMT -5
With Noel being the control freak he is and Liam being the naive young man just wanting to be in a band? I doubt he has any right to those early songs. He signed whatever document was thrown his way and it mostly benefited Noel in the long run.
Pure speculation by the way.
If I remember right, didn't they buy back the rights to the songs from Sony? Using the proceeds from tours?
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Feb 19, 2019 11:48:42 GMT -5
Or.... A plot twist : Noel being the evil genius he is, just hypped the movie to the maximum so he could get bigger royalties from it and spend it all on tofu.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 19, 2019 12:54:12 GMT -5
Y'know, I actually re-watched that press conference yesterday. Liam isn't slated it it particularly. Noel describes his version of events - the fight etc, and the Pretty Green thing. That's it. Says Liam's probably better off without him because he's in charge (of Beady Eye, obviously). The only jibe is that laryngitis thing. And the quote is "He missed the V festival. Said he had laryngitis. Whatever." Totally get the message that Noel was getting across was trying to slander Liam, but people seem to be making a big deal that this presser was some kind of anti-Liam charge. It wasn't really. There were no jokes at Liam's expense. Clearly anger, but that was it. It's funny how people remember things, ey, or at least choose to. Noel/Ignition are doing something dickish here. It leaves a sour taste. I'm sure they have their reasons and legally they'll be within their rights. I don't think it's the right thing to do. Liam isn't innocent. People should stop pretending he is. It doesn't make this latest incident right, though. And how do I remember it then? I haven’t gone in to any great deal of detail about the press conference but it seems you might be able to tell me how i’ve chosen to remember it. And if you could point out where me or anyone has described Liam as innocent. Because Noel is getting some flak doesn’t mean people think Liam is innocent. That’s you being defensive about it. I wasn't meaning you in particular, I've seen several posts referring to that press conference is all. Jesus lad. And well there's a fair few on here who will paint Noel as Dr Evil. In this case, I'd say they'd be within their rights, but usually there's a lot of blurred lines.
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 19, 2019 13:28:34 GMT -5
If they do edit the Oasis songs out and the films still great and successful, then that’s the best way to show he has become a success in his own right.
I wouldn’t go grovelling to Ignition/Noel saying ‘without your songs we have nothing’. I’d be more like let’s start with people going mental to Wall of Glass and let’s show em!
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Post by frogerz on Feb 19, 2019 14:23:58 GMT -5
I think having Oasis songs in there would help Noel which is why it's such a strange move. Especially when Noel hasn't sold out a reduced capacity hometown gig yet.
I'm sure the more casual fans watching might want to check out both brothers and go to a gig.
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