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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 18, 2019 12:01:24 GMT -5
This will only reflect poorly on Noel and bolster Liam's popularity. Noel must know this will only hurt his next release. Not much, but I'm sure it will piss off some enough not to buy Noel's 4th. It's all a little bizarre. But who knows, maybe he has no idea at the moment and it's just an Ignition knee-jerk.
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Post by shannee on Feb 18, 2019 12:01:39 GMT -5
Why the fuck didn’t LG’s team have the royalties contract sorted and signed before they did the final edit on the film?? If they’ve gotten so presumptuous with Noel’s songs that they are not following the basic standards of use then they deserve to be sued. This is not just Liam singing Noel’s songs either this is the director using them freely and everyone else involved. Noel and ignition must defend their copyright otherwise you lose it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 12:07:55 GMT -5
tbh I think Noel would do well to remember that, much as he may dislike it, there's a huge overlap in fan base. He's potentially depriving his own fans of enjoyment for the sake of holding something over Liam.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 18, 2019 12:11:47 GMT -5
tbh I think Noel would do well to remember that, much as he may dislike it, there's a huge overlap in fan base. He's potentially depriving his own fans of enjoyment for the sake of holding something over Liam. Yep. And it's not just that, as a business decsision what the hell is Ignition thinking?
Assuming Liam's team did seek permission and agreed to pay royalties for the inclusion of Live Forever, (As they should have) why wouldn't Ignition grant that? It's FREE MONEY. They've done no work to earn it. Just take it! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 18, 2019 12:15:08 GMT -5
I do think it will be Ignition (Marcus?) behind this, but at the same time Noel could stop it if he wanted to. Then again, he has every right to get the money he's due. Even if it leaves a sour taste. This is all about trying to hit Liam where it hurts by separating him from Oasis’s legacy. Blocking him based on ownership from a band he started and embodied. He didn't start the band... Guigsy did  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 18, 2019 12:15:17 GMT -5
Exclusive footage of Noel talking to Liam’s management team.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 18, 2019 12:18:02 GMT -5
It's a dick move from Ignition/Noel.
It's also typical Liam to put it all out on Twitter (which will just play into Noel's reasoning that Liam is just a loose cannon who spouts his mouth of).
I feel for Liam in the sense there doesn't really need to be any of this, but at the same time, he should leave it now. If it goes legal, let it go legal and see what happens.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 18, 2019 12:35:59 GMT -5
It's a dick move from Ignition/Noel. It's also typical Liam to put it all out on Twitter (which will just play into Noel's reasoning that Liam is just a loose cannon who spouts his mouth of). I feel for Liam in the sense there doesn't really need to be any of this, but at the same time, he should leave it now. If it goes legal, let it go legal and see what happens. I think putting the truth on Twitter is more a problem for Noel than Liam If it is as he put it anyway. |
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Post by joladella on Feb 18, 2019 12:59:55 GMT -5
When did he slag off Noel’s kids? I remember him saying “or his fucking kid” but was there anything else? Either way surely Liam singing Oasis songs would benefit Noel in the end. I’m surprised that Warner and the lot didn’t ask for permission. AFAIK he never did, apart from that one thing, which he then said his own children get it as well. The children themselves then got into a bit of a twitter fight, which was sad and stupid enough. I'm not saying it's OK what Liam is doing against Noel's wife - it's not - but it is kind of annoying that this "Liam insulted Noel's wife AND children" has been repeated so often now, from Noel himself as well, that it became "true". That is, unless something even more nasty is going on offstage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 13:19:07 GMT -5
Noel's a dick, no doubt. But to be fair to him, if it's the One Love footage that's at issue, Liam turned Noel's absence at that show into a huge deal and made it seem like Noel didn't give a flying fuck about the dead kids. That wasn't cool. This may be payback (in Noel's mind).
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Post by mancraider on Feb 18, 2019 13:35:15 GMT -5
No expert on how these things work but I'd assume Liams management wouldn't have left copyright/permissions entirely to the last minute so would assume things were agreed in principle beforehand subject to a rubber stamp on viewing the finished project. Which has now happened and Noel has taken exception to something included in the film.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Feb 18, 2019 14:23:29 GMT -5
Like Noel’s implied, he’s not interested in selling records anymore, done that. As long as he sells some theatres out and can give Bono a pokey bum wank I think he’s happy. Yeh, maybe. Just seems stupid. They both hate each other. Just sad that it's come to this. Then again, pretty sure they've both tried to sue each other before (Liam's definitely tried hasn't he, about something?) Neither of them need the money. Liam doesn't need the money for As It Was, but he's doing it for the fans as well. It's just a shame it's come to this. And then for Liam to air it as he does as well. Ah well, still got the tunes. Liam sued Noel for slander in 2011, although it didn't reach court and was never intended to. At the press conference when Noel announced NGHFB he said Liam pulled out of the V-Festival in 2009 because he had a hangover. Liam initiated legal proceedings against Noel, arguing that a) it was untrue - he'd been diagnosed with laryngitis and had a doctors note to prove that, and b) his reputation had been damaged because of it, especially as Noel had blamed Liam for the demise of Oasis throughout the same press conference. It was as cut and dried case of slander as you could possibly get so Noel backed down and went on record not long after to confirm it wasn't true and Liam really had been ill so the legal threat was dropped. Liam said afterwards all he'd wanted was an apology so there wasn't really any need to take it further once Noel had backtracked. |
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Post by darmin on Feb 18, 2019 14:50:13 GMT -5
I don’t think that Charlie Lightening and his team, Warner, Liam's management (all professionals and respectable names in the industry) thought that they won’t pay royalties and will get away with it. Or left it to the last moment
It's just my opinion, we don't have much information for this case (basically just two Liam’s tweets), tomorrow we may have the official statement from Noel's team, yadda-yadda... But as far as I know, nobody knows which scenes will end up in a movie until the final cut is finished. They may have tons of material and only 40% or something will be used. So maybe they had some kind of general agreement that Liam’s team will use some footage of his gigs and pay for it, the royalties contract would be signed after the documentary would be finished. Then (assuming that Liam told the truth) during negotiations, NG team said something like: don’t use that one love footage, don’t even mention this event (because Noel doesn’t want to remind people about this incident). LG team said: no, it was the pivotal moment for Liam’s comeback; we can’t just cut it from the documentary (which was just finished btw). NG said: you know what? In this case, I forbid you to use any footage with oasis songs! Good luck with your documentary!
And this was stupid move cos everybody forgot about this incident or don’t care anymore (until now).
Or maybe it was just an excuse to ruin the documentary just out of spite. Or there was some really important reason to make this move. We can only guess now
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 15:27:18 GMT -5
I wondered why Liam was so quiet on Twitter re: Noel and his family. Shouldn't have bothered. And just when made me nostalgic. |
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Post by janedoe on Feb 18, 2019 15:52:53 GMT -5
Really? Of all the footage and events to pick, why the one with 16million views on YouTube?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 15:56:09 GMT -5
Alright fellas... let's have it out once and for all and then let's go make some more music.  Note: Liam is really embarrassing himself with this nonsense. |
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Post by crisppacket on Feb 18, 2019 16:02:02 GMT -5
Really cool and hip behaviour from Noely G, Liam’s been OWNED 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 18, 2019 16:17:07 GMT -5
Isolate the music bits and vocal. Remove the song. Get rights to re-record and overlay it with the video from the concert.
Is this possible to make it work?
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Post by MONO on Feb 18, 2019 16:34:56 GMT -5
Ever heard of a sync right?
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Post by daviesh on Feb 18, 2019 16:41:03 GMT -5
Noel is really going down in my opinion - its us fans that will lose out on this.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 18, 2019 17:10:35 GMT -5
Really cool and hip behaviour from Noely G, Liam’s been OWNED 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 Ha! Guess that's a Stone Roses reference from Bonehead. |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Feb 18, 2019 17:13:48 GMT -5
Nasty.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 18, 2019 17:33:51 GMT -5
I wondered why Liam was so quiet on Twitter re: Noel and his family. Shouldn't have bothered. And just when made me nostalgic. That 2005-2006 era they were definitely as close as they'd ever been (publicly) post 90s. Something happened after the recording of DOYS. Before the tour started. Something big. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2019 18:08:32 GMT -5
Yes, it is a dick move. But so was Liam calling Noel out for not performing at One Love and basically trying to end his career, as thuperthonic pointed out. Liam expecting Noel to play nice with song rights, at this point--considering Twitter and everything else, is basically trying to have your cake and eat it too. And if some don't see that, then oh well. But Noel was going to find some way to get back at Liam, at some point, other than with words. And I wonder, if this were Noel going after an artist not named Liam pushing the narrative that was pushed at One Love, if some people would have more balanced take on this. The only people it kinda sucks for is for fans, as it will cause a slight delay. But Warner and co. aren't going to completely shelve a documentary they've invested cash in. At worst, this gets pushed back a few months. |
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Post by justaroundmidnight on Feb 18, 2019 18:28:25 GMT -5
If it's true then so be it - edit it out. The documentary will still be as successful.
It's not like they're short of footage.
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