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Post by bt95 on Feb 18, 2019 9:40:25 GMT -5
I'd imagine because Liam wasn't selling the event. He wasn't making money from it. As It Was will be a commercial release aiming to make profit. Liam released Wonderwall (Re-recorded in 2018) for Spotify Singles. Is it not commercial release? Yeh, and he'll have paid royalties on it, I'd have guessed. But there's very little money in streaming. I think you get £5k for every 1 million streams (which have to last over 30 seconds) on Spotify. It's nothing.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 18, 2019 9:43:50 GMT -5
So how does it work regarding Liam singing them at his gigs? Could Noel if he wanted to put a stop to that? No, as long as the venue pays Noel/the company that holds Noel's Oasis songs rights he has nothing to say in that matter.
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Post by alwaysnow on Feb 18, 2019 9:45:17 GMT -5
So how does it work regarding Liam singing them at his gigs? Could Noel if he wanted to put a stop to that? I might be wrong, but I remember you can cover any song you want at a gig, since the venues already have a fee to pay to copyright associations or the like, so copyrighted material can be played live freely. This changes when it's an official release such as an album or a movie (as this case), then you have to pay royalties to be able to use that material. So, I think they have to pay if they want to release the movie containing Oasis songs, and that must be where this issue stems from.
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Post by coolprophet on Feb 18, 2019 9:45:18 GMT -5
Noel 2019. What a dosser...
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Post by bt95 on Feb 18, 2019 9:45:54 GMT -5
How does it work with Oasis records. Say if Liam decided that he didn't want any recordings of himself singing those songs can he withdraw permission to sell them in future or is it too late once they have been released commeracially? As far as I know Liam has no ownership over the songs whatsoever. Oasis as a band signed a record deal. I think McGee has said it was £40k. Oasis actually signed with SONY, and Creation had the UK rights (Creation were skint so borrowed money from SONY). Oasis' members were paid a wage/salary by the record label, and got royalties. Noel signed a publishing deal for - I believe - £80,000.00 in 1994. I'm going off bits that I've read / heard here. Liam had no ownership over the material. And I'm guessing he will have signed away any rights he had to what he wanted to happen with the songs as soon as he signed the deal. It's guesswork but logic to suggest that. Oasis - the band - were owned by someone else as soon as they signed that deal, and then any subsequent deals down the line. Noel Gallagher is the one who had the publishing deal and therefore he has the monetary rights to the songs (I'm guessing).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 9:48:21 GMT -5
This honestly has nothing to do with Noel. It's about royalties due and nothing more. Ignition would make a claim regardless of who was releasing the material. It's bad form on Liam to make this about him and Noel as per usual.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 18, 2019 9:49:17 GMT -5
Noel 2019. What a dosser... <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 17.91999999999996px; height: 2.9200000000000017px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_56022317" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 842px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_37517174" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84338751" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="17.91999999999996" height="2.9200000000000017" style="position: absolute; width: 17.92px; height: 2.92px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 842px; top: 87px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_54051080" scrolling="no"></iframe> I mean, this is the same bloke that wished aids on people in the 90s, like. It's not a new thing that he's a twat - which he readily admits. But him and Liam hate each other and neither party is innocent. Both are good at playing the victim card as well. Also, this isn't the first time that Noel has done the dirty with legal proceedings. Him and Marcus absolutely rinsed Tony McCarroll.
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Post by bt95 on Feb 18, 2019 9:49:57 GMT -5
This honestly has nothing to do with Noel. It's about royalties due and nothing more. Ignition would make a claim regardless of who was releasing the material. It's bad form on Liam to make this about him and Noel as per usual. I do think it will be Ignition (Marcus?) behind this, but at the same time Noel could stop it if he wanted to. Then again, he has every right to get the money he's due. Even if it leaves a sour taste.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 9:50:33 GMT -5
So people can sing Oasis songs on The Voice, but Liam can't sing them on his documentary? The Voice most certainly pays the royalties for the covers. So yeah.
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Post by janelr on Feb 18, 2019 10:02:04 GMT -5
These are professional filmmakers. I'd be surprised if they didn't know going in that they'd have to pay for rights to use the songs in a commercial film.
Sounds to me (if Liam is being truthful) the issue is that rights are being denied altogether. Which would totally suck, hard to document Liam's comeback without showing him singing any Oasis songs.
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Post by birchy on Feb 18, 2019 10:20:01 GMT -5
I'm sure it's just about royalties. Noel can't stop Liam releasing his own recordings of Oasis songs. According to this site: www.makeitinmusic.com/licence-cover-song/"...once a song has been commercially released by an artist, that artist's song may be re-recorded and released by anyone who chooses to do so. This is only the case if the melody/lyric isn't substantially changed in your cover version, and you pay the proper fees/royalties directly to the song's copyright holders."
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Post by mancraider on Feb 18, 2019 10:25:55 GMT -5
How does it work with Oasis records. Say if Liam decided that he didn't want any recordings of himself singing those songs can he withdraw permission to sell them in future or is it too late once they have been released commeracially? As far as I know Liam has no ownership over the songs whatsoever. Oasis as a band signed a record deal. I think McGee has said it was £40k. Oasis actually signed with SONY, and Creation had the UK rights (Creation were skint so borrowed money from SONY). Oasis' members were paid a wage/salary by the record label, and got royalties. Noel signed a publishing deal for - I believe - £80,000.00 in 1994. I'm going off bits that I've read / heard here. Liam had no ownership over the material. And I'm guessing he will have signed away any rights he had to what he wanted to happen with the songs as soon as he signed the deal. It's guesswork but logic to suggest that. Oasis - the band - were owned by someone else as soon as they signed that deal, and then any subsequent deals down the line. Noel Gallagher is the one who had the publishing deal and therefore he has the monetary rights to the songs (I'm guessing). nice one. I didn't think he would but just find myself wondering about such random things at times like this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 10:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by Parka Flames on Feb 18, 2019 10:26:58 GMT -5
I'd like to hear Noel's side of this if it's true. Maybe it's because he doesn't want Liam making money off of what was supposed to be a charity event?
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Post by birchy on Feb 18, 2019 10:38:18 GMT -5
As far as I know Liam has no ownership over the songs whatsoever. ... Liam had no ownership over the material. And I'm guessing he will have signed away any rights he had to what he wanted to happen with the songs as soon as he signed the deal. It's guesswork but logic to suggest that. ... Noel Gallagher is the one who had the publishing deal and therefore he has the monetary rights to the songs (I'm guessing). The publishing rights are separate to the ownership of the recording. Noel will have the publishing rights (so he gets royalties when someone covers his songs). But Liam & the band will own the actual recordings, so they will have a say in what happens to them (unless like Tony McCarroll they sold their rights for a lump sum.)
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Post by janelr on Feb 18, 2019 10:38:33 GMT -5
I don't know anything about the legal stuff, but I would've expected One Love to own rights to the footage from the broadcast. I wonder if there's something more that Noel's camp takes issue with, like maybe that section of the film is put together in a way that makes Noel look bad somehow. It's just petty to block the performance otherwise in my opinion.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Feb 18, 2019 10:46:16 GMT -5
So how does it work regarding Liam singing them at his gigs? Could Noel if he wanted to put a stop to that? Liam's mentioned a few times (he even put it in a song in the summer) that he has to sign royalty forms every time he sings one of Noel's songs. And Noel's gloated/jibed about it as well. As others have said - I think that's also covered by the venue. Covering a song live, recording a covered song and using a covered song in a film are 3 different things. Live cover, as many has mentioned, usually the venues take care of it. To record a cover and release it, you'd need the mechanical license, and the rate is set by certain standard so the royalty due won't be a ridiculously high amount. note - it's only for the *audio* recording. To release a covered song in a video, a synchronisation licence is also needed to make it fully legit. And that's where the copyright owner can refuse to grant the permission if feeling the circumstance is not appropriate , or ask very high price. I think that's what they are playing with in this case.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 18, 2019 10:51:46 GMT -5
This honestly has nothing to do with Noel. It's about royalties due and nothing more. Ignition would make a claim regardless of who was releasing the material. It's bad form on Liam to make this about him and Noel as per usual. The idea that this hasn’t been put to Noel is laughable. Do you really think he didn’t get a phone call about this?
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 18, 2019 10:54:03 GMT -5
This honestly has nothing to do with Noel. It's about royalties due and nothing more. Ignition would make a claim regardless of who was releasing the material. It's bad form on Liam to make this about him and Noel as per usual. I do think it will be Ignition (Marcus?) behind this, but at the same time Noel could stop it if he wanted to. Then again, he has every right to get the money he's due. Even if it leaves a sour taste. This is all about trying to hit Liam where it hurts by separating him from Oasis’s legacy. Blocking him based on ownership from a band he started and embodied.
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Post by frjdoasis on Feb 18, 2019 10:55:17 GMT -5
This is beyond ridiculous
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 11:01:38 GMT -5
Sad that One Love is still causing arguments. Chris Martin even thanked Noel for "giving your blessing and encouragement to play Don't Look Back In Anger and Live Forever", and now this
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Post by sgtpeppr on Feb 18, 2019 11:08:49 GMT -5
hes having troubles getting the rights to the songs, so his very next tweet he insults noel again and brings up the manchester gig...again. a little self destructive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 11:14:34 GMT -5
Unbelievable bitterness from the little fella.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 18, 2019 11:15:28 GMT -5
hes having troubles getting the rights to the songs, so his very next tweet he insults noel again and brings up the manchester gig...again. a little self destructive. Did you expect him to beg his brother to allow him to show a single performance? Noel blocked it, Liam not happy. Unsurprising. Him taking that in good grace which he shouldn’t was going to make little difference
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 18, 2019 11:53:57 GMT -5
Suppose we’ll get Wall of Glass from MCR...
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