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Post by bogaloo on Jan 19, 2018 18:41:21 GMT -5
Hummmm... Always had issues with this interview... First, Noel never stated that the argument in Paris was about PG, rather that it had been one of the ongoing problems. Second, it's quite obvious that the problem was not whether the laryngitis was fake, but what facilitated its development... Seems to me that Noel, Liam and Andy twist and use the media equally as prolifically.Andy?  😆😆 Yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's just a personal opinion... Had Beady Eye succedeed, who would have benefited from it the most- Liam or Andy? I can't help it... Don't take his words face value as I don't take Liam's ir Noel's for that matter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:44:13 GMT -5
Everyone but Noel denied the PG story occurred at all. . True question here, did anyone else bar LAG, Chris ir Noel ever spoken about it? Who is everyone? I'm really asking, not being sarcastic... Everyone who was in Oasis at the time bar Noel has denied it ever happened. |
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Post by bogaloo on Jan 19, 2018 18:50:03 GMT -5
Hummmm... Always had issues with this interview... Seems to me that Noel, t was also mighty disengenous of him to call out Gem and Andy for not intervening. Gem and Andy were sidemen and had no business intervening in a Gallagher Bros argument. You are absolutely right here. No-one should be put on the spot for not intervening. Other thanks that I believe Noel specifically named Andy, not Gem... Am I wrong? Not that it makes any Diference regarding his atitude, but it could explain Andy's reaction... It would also make him lesão neutral too. |
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Post by bogaloo on Jan 19, 2018 18:51:15 GMT -5
True question here, did anyone else bar LAG, Chris ir Noel ever spoken about it? Who is everyone? I'm really asking, not being sarcastic... Everyone who was in Oasis at the time bar Noel has denied it ever happened. And by that you mean Liam, Andy, Gem and Chris, correct? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 19, 2018 18:56:48 GMT -5
Andy? 😆😆 Yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's just a personal opinion... Had Beady Eye succedeed, who would have benefited from it the most- Liam or Andy? I can't help it... Don't take his words face value as I don't take Liam's ir Noel's for that matter. Well I can't be %100 but given how Andy comes across and what his band mates have said about his character and the fact he seemed to be genuinely angry about it I'm going to take his word for it, for now. |
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Jan 19, 2018 18:59:33 GMT -5
Hey he talks crap at times. But he is the horniest guy on the planet. His sheer arrogance is a knicker dropper (so my mate says).
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Post by bogaloo on Jan 19, 2018 19:10:34 GMT -5
😆😆 Yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's just a personal opinion... Had Beady Eye succedeed, who would have benefited from it the most- Liam or Andy? I can't help it... Don't take his words face value as I don't take Liam's ir Noel's for that matter. Well I can't be %100 but given how Andy comes across and what his band mates have said about his character and the fact he seemed to be genuinely angry about it I'm going to take his word for it, for now. Fair enough. I think you can't trust any of them 'cause all of them had interests at stake. As a professional psych I wouldn't trust how people "come across" even at the fainting chair 😉. None of them are neutral, people lie. Everyone lies- Noel, Liam, Andy, Gem, Chris and everyone um this forum. it's part of life and a mechanism of defense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 19:43:45 GMT -5
You are absolutely right here. No-one should be put on the spot for not intervening. Other thanks that I believe Noel specifically named Andy, not Gem... Am I wrong? Not that it makes any Diference regarding his atitude, but it could explain Andy's reaction... It would also make him lesão neutral too. In Noel's statement, he used the general term "bandmates." "I feel you have the right to know that the level of verbal and violent intimidation towards me, my family, friends and comrades has become intolerable. And the lack of support and understanding from my management and bandmates has left me with no other option than to get me cape and seek pastures new." www.theguardian.com/music/2011/feb/17/oasis-beady-eye"Me and our kid were to blame for the split of Oasis," says Liam Gallagher. "Not me. Not him. And it certainly wasn't these guys." These guys are Gallagher's bandmates in Beady Eye: guitarists Andy Bell and Gem Archer, and drummer Chris Sharrock. Until summer 2009, the four of them, plus Gallagher's older brother Noel, made up Oasis, the biggest British rock'n'roll band of their generation. Then, on 28 August 2009, following a final, tumultuous slanging match between Noel and Liam – and shortly before Oasis were due to perform at a Paris festival – the older Gallagher decided he'd had enough. The day after Noel left the band, he posted a statement on Oasis's website. The parts bemoaning the "verbal and violent intimidation" from Liam were no shock: the two had been at loggerheads for years. More surprising was Noel's complaint about "the lack of support and understanding" from his bandmates. Liam almost explodes at the mention of that line. "Absolute fucking bollocks. That's the thing that makes me want to throw up. I just look at him now and think, 'You're a fucking fake.' It's like, if you want to fucking leave the band, leave the band. If you want to stay at home with your kids, stay at home with your kids. If you wanna have five years off, have five years off. We'll sit down as a band and talk about it. But don't start going, 'I was bullied out of the band.' Fucking shite." Archer sighs. "That statement was surreal as fuck." To the outsider, I say, it read like Liam and Noel had a huge row, and Noel was hurt that the others didn't back him up. "Noel doesn't need backing," says Archer. "Back him in what?" snorts Gallagher. What, then, do they think he meant? "I think he wrote it on the spur of the moment," says Bell, ever the peacemaker. "He's probably mortified now." "Not that mortified, cos he's still got it up on the fucking website, which I've tried to take down," spits Gallagher. "Has he?" asks Archer. "It's been two fucking years," says Gallagher, sounding increasingly angry and hurt. "Take the fucking statement down. It's over. We're all grown up. We've all moved on." |
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Post by bogaloo on Jan 19, 2018 20:09:52 GMT -5
In Noel's statement, he used the general term "bandmates." "I feel you have the right to know that the level of verbal and violent intimidation towards me, my family, friends and comrades has become intolerable. And the lack of support and understanding from my management and bandmates has left me with no other option than to get me cape and seek pastures new." www.theguardian.com/music/2011/feb/17/oasis-beady-eye"Me and our kid were to blame for the split of Oasis," says Liam Gallagher. "Not me. Not him. And it certainly wasn't these guys." These guys are Gallagher's bandmates in Beady Eye: guitarists Andy Bell and Gem Archer, and drummer Chris Sharrock. Until summer 2009, the four of them, plus Gallagher's older brother Noel, made up Oasis, the biggest British rock'n'roll band of their generation. Then, on 28 August 2009, following a final, tumultuous slanging match between Noel and Liam – and shortly before Oasis were due to perform at a Paris festival – the older Gallagher decided he'd had enough. The day after Noel left the band, he posted a statement on Oasis's website. The parts bemoaning the "verbal and violent intimidation" from Liam were no shock: the two had been at loggerheads for years. More surprising was Noel's complaint about "the lack of support and understanding" from his bandmates. Liam almost explodes at the mention of that line. "Absolute fucking bollocks. That's the thing that makes me want to throw up. I just look at him now and think, 'You're a fucking fake.' It's like, if you want to fucking leave the band, leave the band. If you want to stay at home with your kids, stay at home with your kids. If you wanna have five years off, have five years off. We'll sit down as a band and talk about it. But don't start going, 'I was bullied out of the band.' Fucking shite." Archer sighs. "That statement was surreal as fuck." To the outsider, I say, it read like Liam and Noel had a huge row, and Noel was hurt that the others didn't back him up. "Noel doesn't need backing," says Archer. "Back him in what?" snorts Gallagher. What, then, do they think he meant? "I think he wrote it on the spur of the moment," says Bell, ever the peacemaker. "He's probably mortified now." "Not that mortified, cos he's still got it up on the fucking website, which I've tried to take down," spits Gallagher. "Has he?" asks Archer. "It's been two fucking years," says Gallagher, sounding increasingly angry and hurt. "Take the fucking statement down. It's over. We're all grown up. We've all moved on." Like I Said, I wouldn't take those soundbites too close to heart- "bandmates" could mean anything, even not wishing to single someone out. It doesn't necessarily implicate Gem, who apparenly wasn't even in the Room at the time. Other thanks that, group interviews=peer pressure. It's not the place to speak out for a third party, especially when you are on a professional relationship with the second, don't you think? - I know for a fact I wouldn't, unless it was an extremely grave thing. m In the case of Beady Eye that is especially meaningful when the balance of Powers clearly veered towards a strong Liam-Andy alleagence and gem being kind of an outsider-ish (as he used to be seen as noel's right Hand man) My point is just that you cannot expect to fully grasp whatever happened between those people, based on interviews of either side. I believe the truth lies Somewhere in the middle of those positions. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 19, 2018 20:37:32 GMT -5
What was wrong with the press conference in 2011? With impeccable timing, our conversation takes place just two days after Noel has announced his forthcoming solo plans at a well attended if faintly self-congratulatory London press conference, during which he accused Liam of feigning laryngitis and making unreasonable demands on Oasis in relation to his clothing range Pretty Green, claiming it was the catalyst for the fatal argument. Did Bell see the conference? “Yeah, I did.” What did you think of it? “Bollocks,” he replies in a heartbeat. “He lied about a lot of things. The argument about Pretty Green was lies, what he said about V Festival and the fake laryngitis was lies …” He suddenly holds back. “I don’t know, maybe he’s convinced that’s the truth. I don’t know what goes on in his head. I know him, so I’m not disappointed. That’s what he’s like. I know how he spins the press. He’s used the press for years. Interviews and press are secondary for us, that’s his life.” There were sections of the press conference where Noel was hardly complimentary towards Bell. “That’s just Noel being Noel,” he says with an I’d-expect-nothing-less air. “All that sh-t … there were three of us in that room, and I’m telling you it was nothing to do with Pretty Green. I’m not going to add more fuel to the fire. But I’ve ended up in a band with Liam, Gem, Chris, with the same management, road crew…” Bell trails off, but then perks up. “But at the same time, I wish him all the best. I want him to be happy.” Yeah but Noel is back on terms again with both Chris and Gem, so much so that they are both back in Noel’s ruddy bloody band! |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jan 20, 2018 3:48:36 GMT -5
Can someone edit this video and put dick as a last photo HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by sjc8 on Jan 20, 2018 10:10:58 GMT -5
i wouldn’t go as far to call him a dick but he has been saying some cringey stuff just within the past 2 years. I can’t even defend it no matter how much I would like to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 10:52:01 GMT -5
He had perfected the whole ironic arrogance thing but now he's taken it too far and he's just insufferable.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 20, 2018 22:20:14 GMT -5
For those who think he’s changed and/or become a “dick”, could it possibly due to over exposure?
Noel is always giving interviews ranging from sports and Man City to politics, to Oasis musings, as well as still being the spokesman for the music industry, and further to taking about his albums....
Radio interviews, sky sports studios.....the geezer is everywhere these days.
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Jan 20, 2018 23:19:50 GMT -5
He"s definately lost his roots that's for sure..imho
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Post by SupernovaLBL on Jan 21, 2018 11:26:21 GMT -5
Once he slagged off Ashcroft he showed that he crossed a line.
I think the story of Noel goes something like this - an arrogant songwriter growing up in a tough part of town who hid behind his brother's confidence ended up being in one of the last truly great rock bands. Over time, Noel was increasingly understood as the more grounded brains behind the band, eventually giving him enough confidence to leave (which could also be justified given Liam's behavior).
He had a couple solo albums which were really successful given the declining importance of guitar music over the last decade or so, but he felt that things were waning during the CY tour. So he went more experimental with WBTM and expected a bigger reaction than he got. Noel cares deeply about the public's reaction and I think, instead of his former bandmates, he's hiding behind the rich and powerful company he keeps.
In the end I think he should trust his instincts and songwriting. I think he was reacting too much to his declining importance when making WBTM. He rejected all of the songs he had going into the making of WBTM on the advice of David Holmes. But no one else holds the key. I would prefer his choosing the option of being more like a Weller or Marr instead of chasing anything from the public.
But then again, if he truly loves what he's doing with Holmes he should keep doing it. But the public's reaction isn't Ashcroft's fault so he shouldn't take out his frustrations on him.
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 21, 2018 16:08:42 GMT -5
Once he slagged off Ashcroft he showed that he crossed a line. I think the story of Noel goes something like this - an arrogant songwriter growing up in a tough part of town who hid behind his brother's confidence ended up being in one of the last truly great rock bands. Over time, Noel was increasingly understood as the more grounded brains behind the band, eventually giving him enough confidence to leave (which could also be justified given Liam's behavior). He had a couple solo albums which were really successful given the declining importance of guitar music over the last decade or so, but he felt that things were waning during the CY tour. So he went more experimental with WBTM and expected a bigger reaction than he got. Noel cares deeply about the public's reaction and I think, instead of his former bandmates, he's hiding behind the rich and powerful company he keeps. In the end I think he should trust his instincts and songwriting. I think he was reacting too much to his declining importance when making WBTM. He rejected all of the songs he had going into the making of WBTM on the advice of David Holmes. But no one else holds the key. I would prefer his choosing the option of being more like a Weller or Marr instead of chasing anything from the public. But then again, if he truly loves what he's doing with Holmes he should keep doing it. But the public's reaction isn't Ashcroft's fault so he shouldn't take out his frustrations on him. I don't think he crossed a line with Ashcroft or is taking out his frustrations on him, I think it's just Noel being Noel. He talks shit and throws crap around all the time and always has done. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 19:09:39 GMT -5
I love both Noel and Liam but if you consider the various interviews from both down the years, it does seem pretty clear why Oasis split. Liam is correct in saying Noel wanted to go solo. I think that is easy to believe. Noel was writing different kinds of songs which didn't suit a stadium rock n roll band and Liam's voice had deteriorated significantly, Oasis weren't as good a live band because of it. I also think Noel is right in that Liam had a lot of anger towards him and was very difficult to work with, so Liam was hardly making a positive case for the band to remain together. I know that had always been the case but it obviously gets tougher to put up someone who is on a different wavelength when you're older and have a more settled life. So while Liam contributed to the issues of course, Noel ended the band because he wanted to spread his wings as an artist and couldn't be arsed to argue about the direction of the music and/or personal issues. I'm not angry about him walking away, I feel it was understandable and I'm just fine getting double the amount of music now both brothers are solo. But let's not pretend Pretty Green, one argument on one particular night or any single incident ended Oasis.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 22, 2018 4:04:45 GMT -5
All of the ridiculous things people claim as proof of his dick-ness ("He's so far up his own backside", "he's mean and demeaning to Liam" "he wears sunglasses too much", "he talks about hanging out with Bono", "he slags people off", "he's talking too much about enjoying the creative process for WBTM") are either things that have not changed one whit in 20 years, or are so superficial to be meaningless. I've always found Noel's politics sophomoric and thick, his constant battles with Liam tiresome,and his calling out of every musical act on earth bordering on bullying jackassery. However, anyone who isn't just out to get him should find a lot of things to admire about him. He's a good family man, he is smart as hell and is a funny, funny dude that makes the music business a much more interesting place. And, of course, he brought so much joy into our lives by writing an unbelievable amount of great music. Let's face it, people are sniping because Noel is perceived as being down and some uncharitable people with an axe to grind feel much more emboldened go at him for behaviour they'd forgive Liam for 30 times over. Its shame that your good points are negated by your final sentence. The poll doesn't bear that out or the comments from many Noel fans that I've seen on here, there is no doubt some with an axe to grind but it doesn't explain the change in feeling. |
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Post by ricardogce on Jan 22, 2018 7:57:33 GMT -5
All of the ridiculous things people claim as proof of his dick-ness ("He's so far up his own backside", "he's mean and demeaning to Liam" "he wears sunglasses too much", "he talks about hanging out with Bono", "he slags people off", "he's talking too much about enjoying the creative process for WBTM") are either things that have not changed one whit in 20 years, or are so superficial to be meaningless. I've always found Noel's politics sophomoric and thick, his constant battles with Liam tiresome,and his calling out of every musical act on earth bordering on bullying jackassery. However, anyone who isn't just out to get him should find a lot of things to admire about him. He's a good family man, he is smart as hell and is a funny, funny dude that makes the music business a much more interesting place. And, of course, he brought so much joy into our lives by writing an unbelievable amount of great music. Let's face it, people are sniping because Noel is perceived as being down and some uncharitable people with an axe to grind feel much more emboldened go at him for behaviour they'd forgive Liam for 30 times over. Noel's always been an arsehole, but lately he's worked overtime to turn some of his own fanbase against him. "He's an asshole, but he's OUR asshole" stopped being true, and now he's acting like just an asshole. Who writes excellent songs, so we forgive him. But he's been acting like an idiot more than he ever did these past 20 years. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 22, 2018 8:23:34 GMT -5
I used to like Noel, now I don't. I think this started around the time of the Supersonic film. I really believe the Supersonic doc was a turning point for both Liam and Noel. People remembered that Liam could be funny and charismatic, while Noel himself admitted "he was a bit of a c**t". I think the lack of reaction to WBTM and Liam's success spooked him a little bit in recent interviews he seems to be back on a more even keel. |
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Post by playthehitsgetoff on Jan 22, 2018 10:04:09 GMT -5
Liam's success i recon has hit Noel like a bolt from the blue, he will call/want an Oasis reunion 2019...
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Post by crisppacket on Jan 22, 2018 17:45:05 GMT -5
When he lost all that weight he lost his sense of humour too
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 22, 2018 17:55:39 GMT -5
Its shame that your good points are negated by your final sentence. The poll doesn't bear that out or the comments from many Noel fans that I've seen on here, there is no doubt some with an axe to grind but it doesn't explain the change in feeling. Well, if my first couple of paragraphs are good points, then doesn't it go without saying that there is some external force causing the change in feeling, other than Noel turning into a giant dick? I said they were good points not that I agreed with them. I don't get why its so hard to believe that at least part of the force casusing the change in feeling is Noel himself. Its been commented on by many different people who are fans of both. Its clear a lot of people don't have an axe to grind. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jan 22, 2018 18:01:22 GMT -5
Liam's success i recon has hit Noel like a bolt from the blue, he will call/want an Oasis reunion 2019... Depending on how well Liams 2018 goes I could honestly see this happening. And it looks like it could be another brilliant year for LG. No way is Noel going to sit back and let Liam make further progress as King Gallagher in the minds of the British public, while at the same time fading into obscurity making 'experimental' records. It will get to a point and then the Oasis reunion will become inevitable. 2019 would be a smart time for it. 25th anniversary of DM, 10 years since the split. It could be magic. |
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