Agree and disagree.

Alot of AYW isnt better than the best Beady Eye songs. There's a case for the main singles and Bold/Greedy Soul being better but theres certainly not a world of difference in even them (certainly not the difference in sales).

Liams name is a huge factor. Agreed.

If it was as simple as the songs being good = success then I'd be alot happier with the state of music. It's not the case at all for me and marketing is absolutely key.

You even seen with Wall Of Glass - The huge surge in sales and popularity come after he performed at a concert that was viewed by millions. Without that one bit of promotion it wouldn't have sold what it did and Liams campaign wouldn't have reached the heights. That proves in itself that theres alot more to it than you say.

Both brothers are now signed to Warner (which may or may not be why NG has upped his release schedule this year) so it is unfair to paint LG as the the one who has sold his sold to a corporate major whilst NG is still an indie puritan.

And let's not forget that before Oasis released a single record Creation had sold a majority of their shares to Sony Records!

They've both been part of mainstream music for years and the masses, rightly, love them

Why is there so much BE/Liam talk going on in this thread?

Not a single comment on this page about Noel. (until now)

Weird.

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But while we're at it... the issues with BE was always quality control. Say what you will about Noel and his choices for singles/album tracks/etc... but he always managed to cobble together a decent album. BE albums felt like a mess all around from production to tracks chosen to vibe to everything.

The essence of Beady Eye was 4 lads in a band making music because they wanted to and that was great and real and had heart. So i agree with you that it was better than the way he has to do things now.

But not enough people wanted it. Fans want the music hes producing now.

Make no mistake, for all the managers and promoters and even family around him, Liam is still the main reason this all works. Fans are here for his attitude, character and voice.

He might slip into an OTT caricature of himself at times, but he's still as real as it gets and that's VERY rare in music now. People relate to that.

Yes, hes having to do much more arse licking and playing the game than he or some of us would like - but everyone had the chance to back it when he was doing everything the real way and they didn't.

Finally someone with some sense who accepts criticism of Liam, phew. But i'd say Liam is as real... as he can be. Which is not enough. He's stuck in a formula and people dont want him to change. and that kinda sucks. He could have been all that in Beady Eye really.

Now it looks like he's contributed even less on the new record, and that sucks. As i've said many times before, I wish Liam would put his balls on the table and work alone in the studio with guidance from a producer, not with someone coming in with songs 99% written. The results could be amazing, if only, for once, he tried to get out of his comfort zone...

I can understand this. I just wish on some level that he hooked up with someone like maybe John Squire and became a frontman, rather than hooking up with Warners. This is totally subjective, of course, so all I will say is that I personally would probably find the music more interesting. But I'm also aware that he'd probably sell way less albums that way.

Like I’ve did many times over the years on this forum. Liam is at his BEST when singing other people’s songs. Mostly Noel’s but you get my point. He’s no songwriter. He is a great frontman so let him shine doing that. I don’t want anymore LAG drivel. I like the way things are now. Good vibes. Good tunes. Good times.

I love John Squire, one of my favourite guitarists but if the Stone Roses reunion proved anything its that the fire for new music has gone out.

Anton Newcombe would be really interesting will never happen though.

Beady Eye had a bad band name, a bad timing, when people did not want to hear from Liam. He should have vanished for a few more years. If Beady Eye came back today with the same two records, they would sell like As You Were or the one that's coming.

It's all about timing. the music is no different, throw in any As You Were track in a playlist with Beady Eye tunes and you wont spot a difference.

Oasis had perfect timing, Beady Eye did not. It's as simple as that. And he's understood that, he's even saying it in the promo film, sorry, "documentary". He's gonna go away after this one because most people will be done with him for a few years.

You can play the game if in the end, the art is true. But Liam's art is not true nowadays. It's just an imagination of what Liam used to be or should be. It's well crafted, i give you that, but by someone who is thinking it all for him...

If you're fine with it, good for you. I'm not.

A band with the name Beady Eye and the songs they had were not going to be as successful as Liam's solo record. Ever. They should have toured under Liam's name to give themselves a chance.