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Post by eva on Jun 20, 2019 15:12:53 GMT -5
how the hell do we have 2-3 pages of Beady Eye/Liam in this thread? you know, there's a whole subboard for it
anyway, let's hope there's something in this interview tomorrow to get us back on topic:
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Post by bt95 on Jun 20, 2019 15:53:48 GMT -5
Just a shame we may not get to hear the majority of these songs live until late 2020/early 2021 (he's only touring with U2 after September I believe?).
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Post by Gas Panic on Jun 20, 2019 16:16:02 GMT -5
Just a shame we may not get to hear the majority of these songs live until late 2020/early 2021 (he's only touring with U2 after September I believe?). I've not seen Noel since day 1 of the WBTM tour. I'm still waiting on another London date (I missed out on London Paladium tickets). I find it weird that he did Heaton Park and that big Ireland gig but we never got a big London gig anywhere. |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 20, 2019 16:26:12 GMT -5
Just a shame we may not get to hear the majority of these songs live until late 2020/early 2021 (he's only touring with U2 after September I believe?). I've not seen Noel since day 1 of the WBTM tour. I'm still waiting on another London date (I missed out on London Paladium tickets). I find it weird that he did Heaton Park and that big Ireland gig but we never got a big London gig anywhere. Hmm. Manchester and Ireland are his 'homecoming' gigs, I suppose. The atmosphere at Malahide on Sunday was great, and he was well up for it. Maybe the venues just aren't available? |
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Jun 20, 2019 17:01:23 GMT -5
Please tell me you’re be facetious. There was some geezer back in 2011 on here who said he thought The Beat Goes On by Beady Eye is on the same level as the Masterplan. He was not joking. Don’t be like that guy. Behave. Could it have been you? live4ever.proboards.com/post/825927/threadI was hoping someone would dig this up. Well done  |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 20, 2019 18:02:19 GMT -5
Noel to Wired: "If they want to hear old Oasis songs they're being played by a fat man in an anorak somewhere, you know, with shorts on so they can go and see that. "I've no desire at all to get back involved with Oasis. "I'm afraid Oasis is in the past and that's it. There's a lot of people in England who refuse to accept that it's over. It's like when they watch boxsets and they don't like the ending. They refuse to believe that is the way it ends because they didn't want it to end like that. I'm afraid life is not like that, you know. "Why would we get back together? We will never make new music, fuck that. To do what? One more tour and make more money? What's the point of that? I'm in a place where it's about 'now'. It's about creating new stuff. "I'll be building a recording studio in London - my first-ever recording studio - and when that's finished I'll man a new (solo) album." So, looks like we'll be waiting until, at the earliest, late next year until he even starts a new album. God, he'll be 55 by the next one comes out I bet  |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jun 20, 2019 18:07:49 GMT -5
Noel to Wired: "If they want to hear old Oasis songs they're being played by a fat man in an anorak somewhere, you know, with shorts on so they can go and see that. "I've no desire at all to get back involved with Oasis. "I'm afraid Oasis is in the past and that's it. There's a lot of people in England who refuse to accept that it's over. It's like when they watch boxsets and they don't like the ending. They refuse to believe that is the way it ends because they didn't want it to end like that. I'm afraid life is not like that, you know. "Why would we get back together? We will never make new music, fuck that. To do what? One more tour and make more money? What's the point of that? I'm in a place where it's about 'now'. It's about creating new stuff. "I'll be building a recording studio in London - my first-ever recording studio - and when that's finished I'll man a new (solo) album." So, looks like we'll be waiting until, at the earliest, late next year until he even starts a new album. God, he'll be 55 by the next one comes out I bet Noël's obviously not aware that it's shorts season....technically it's topless, sockless and shorts season. God bless. |
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Post by matt on Jun 20, 2019 18:11:27 GMT -5
The essence of Beady Eye was 4 lads in a band making music because they wanted to and that was great and real and had heart. So i agree with you that it was better than the way he has to do things now. But not enough people wanted it. Fans want the music hes producing now. Make no mistake, for all the managers and promoters and even family around him, Liam is still the main reason this all works. Fans are here for his attitude, character and voice. He might slip into an OTT caricature of himself at times, but he's still as real as it gets and that's VERY rare in music now. People relate to that. Yes, hes having to do much more arse licking and playing the game than he or some of us would like - but everyone had the chance to back it when he was doing everything the real way and they didn't. Was Liam not playing the game and licking asses prior with Beady Eye? I seem to remember he and the band did. They went first. Naturally the British media pounced in coverage. Good or bad they love a good Gallagher related story. On both releases the band were on all the major talk shows (UK and USA), were on the cover of all the major music publications, did all the big radio interview spots, did exclusive gigs on the radio, so how is that any different than solo Liam in 2017 and as seen currently? The difference is better material and using his established brand name over a lame band one with all his oasis mates. If the music is good people will respond. Simple as that. This. I remember them getting a lot of coverage, front page of magazines and all that. People here go on as if they were some underground sensation. Sure, sold about as many records but they got attention. Problem was they were just shit. At the end of the day, if it takes focus groups and industry songwriters to get Liam’s vibe, then so be it. He’s in a cool place right now and the people writing songs for him know what’s better for him than Gem Archer and Andy Bell. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2019 19:01:28 GMT -5
Like I’ve did many times over the years on this forum. Liam is at his BEST when singing other people’s songs. Mostly Noel’s but you get my point. He’s no songwriter. He is a great frontman so let him shine doing that. I don’t want anymore LAG drivel. I like the way things are now. Good vibes. Good tunes. Good times. Well i strongly disagree, he's written many good tunes, some overlooked in Beady Eye second record, some put aside by Noel. He's never managed to become what he could have become maybe because people are fine with the way things are. It's a waste to me. I'd take Born on a Different Cloud, Boy With the Blues, Evil Eye and Soul Love anyday over Shockwave. but that's just me. I have no issues with any of the songs you mentioned. I like them all. The issue is they were all written over a 10-11 year period. When you make an album you need to write 10-15 songs for it. Quality is always an issue for every songwriter. It’s a tough thing to do. Can Liam do that all by himself? I doubt it. That is not his strength and that is no knock on him. He’s a great singer and frontman. If he writes a quality tune then put it on the album. But don’t reach for 7-8 more songs that might be lacking. |
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Post by oasis6 on Jun 20, 2019 19:14:48 GMT -5
It's been mentioned, but a big difference between Liam solo and BE was BE had 0 quality control. As You Were didn't have a stinker on it. Some songs were just meh, but no stinkers. BE had stinkers on both albums and a lot of them. I will say though, BE's highs were pretty good, and I think they are underrated one because they are BE and two because the stinkers kind of sagged them down with them. But if you take the top 10 BE songs including bsides, you could make a pretty good album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 20, 2019 23:26:54 GMT -5
It's been mentioned, but a big difference between Liam solo and BE was BE had 0 quality control. As You Were didn't have a stinker on it. Some songs were just meh, but no stinkers. BE had stinkers on both albums and a lot of them. I will say though, BE's highs were pretty good, and I think they are underrated one because they are BE and two because the stinkers kind of sagged them down with them. But if you take the top 10 BE songs including bsides, you could make a pretty good album. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 21, 2019 2:16:33 GMT -5
Well i strongly disagree, he's written many good tunes, some overlooked in Beady Eye second record, some put aside by Noel. He's never managed to become what he could have become maybe because people are fine with the way things are. It's a waste to me. I'd take Born on a Different Cloud, Boy With the Blues, Evil Eye and Soul Love anyday over Shockwave. but that's just me. I have no issues with any of the songs you mentioned. I like them all. The issue is they were all written over a 10-11 year period. When you make an album you need to write 10-15 songs for it. Quality is always an issue for every songwriter. It’s a tough thing to do. Can Liam do that all by himself? I doubt it. That is not his strength and that is no knock on him. He’s a great singer and frontman. If he writes a quality tune then put it on the album. But don’t reach for 7-8 more songs that might be lacking. The root of the problem is that : People see Liam as only a frontman so he thinks he can only be that. But i truly believe he can evolve. Liam wrote some great songs, so he can write an album full of material, he's got the talent, now he needs the discipline. But it seems he does not 1. believe in himself enough (because of his entourage or whatever) and 2. probably dont try hard enough. Every day, all day, all week, night. Noel did not become a song writer in one day, no songwriter did. They worked hard, learnt how to write, discovered stuff, failed, tried again, wrote shite songs. Some stuff work, some dont. Songwriting is like a muscle, if you dont exercice regularly, it goes away. To me it's only a matter of discipline and hard work. If you write as many good songs as Liam has written over the years, you can write 10 or 15 in a 2 or 3 year period. At least as good as the one his songwriters are paid a fortune to do. I dont hear much differences between Wall of Glass and Greedy Soul. The latter is even a bit better... Some songs come from nowhere in 2 mins, some need hard work. No artist release an album of 11 tracks that came from heaven instantly. Liam just need to grow up, he's been protected all his life with people doing stuff for him. |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 21, 2019 5:53:57 GMT -5
Only caught the end of that Virgin radio. Mainly Chris Evans shouting, which is annoying as he'd actually asked an interesting question then just not waited for the answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 7:19:09 GMT -5
Only caught the end of that Virgin radio. Mainly Chris Evans shouting, which is annoying as he'd actually asked an interesting question then just not waited for the answer. I think this is actually a good interview with Noel. |
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Post by bt95 on Jun 22, 2019 10:18:32 GMT -5
Only caught the end of that Virgin radio. Mainly Chris Evans shouting, which is annoying as he'd actually asked an interesting question then just not waited for the answer. I think this is actually a good interview with Noel. Nice! I didn't get to hear the whole thing, so I'll watch that vid later. Like I said, just caught the last 15 mins. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jun 22, 2019 10:26:52 GMT -5
Only caught the end of that Virgin radio. Mainly Chris Evans shouting, which is annoying as he'd actually asked an interesting question then just not waited for the answer. I think this is actually a good interview with Noel. So he is adding more guitars to one of the songs of the new EP, and he plans to spend next year recording a new album (hopefully with Holmes, although he did not mention him) |
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Post by durk on Jun 22, 2019 11:05:48 GMT -5
that was actually a great interview despite the annoying cuts.
good info out of it- and Noel was more relaxed and upbeat than ive seen him in a while.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 23, 2019 10:03:32 GMT -5
Agree and disagree. Alot of AYW isnt better than the best Beady Eye songs. There's a case for the main singles and Bold/Greedy Soul being better but theres certainly not a world of difference in even them (certainly not the difference in sales). Liams name is a huge factor. Agreed. If it was as simple as the songs being good = success then I'd be alot happier with the state of music. It's not the case at all for me and marketing is absolutely key. You even seen with Wall Of Glass - The huge surge in sales and popularity come after he performed at a concert that was viewed by millions. Without that one bit of promotion it wouldn't have sold what it did and Liams campaign wouldn't have reached the heights. That proves in itself that theres alot more to it than you say. Beady Eye also performed at the opening ceremony of the Olympics. Seen by millions and millions and millions around the world. Probably their biggest exposure. Granted they played an Oasis song but whatever. My point is his name and better songs make a world of difference. People give a shit about his name. Not his band. The lead singer of Oasis played Oasis most famous song. There was a Beady Eye sign in the background but id hardly say that exposes Beady Eye much. |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 23, 2019 10:05:50 GMT -5
No matter what you think of Beady Eyes songs, there is a huge difference in how much better Liams marketing is now.
For arguements sake, it would have been nice for Beady Eye to have got the same marketing and exposure. And of course with Liams name on it.
Agreed that the albums weren't the same quality. But a song like The roller was more than good enough and it didnt do that well because it didn't have good marketing. Likewise the 2nd album.
If anyone thinks going on the Voice is the same as One Love then i want some of what you're smoking.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 10:27:39 GMT -5
No matter what you think of Beady Eyes songs, there is a huge difference in how much better Liams marketing is now. For arguements sake, it would have been nice for Beady Eye to have got the same marketing and exposure. And of course with Liams name on it. Agreed that the albums weren't the same quality. But a song like The roller was more than good enough and it didnt do that well because it didn't have good marketing. Likewise the 2nd album. If anyone thinks going on the Voice is the same as One Love then i want some of what you're smoking. I think beady generally wasnt set up very well, possibly because Noel was always sorting out the business aspect of oasis and suddenly Liam had to do it himself and simply didnt know what to do. Maybe come arrogance was at play that Liam had gotten too used to the buzz oasis generated and didnt really feel the need to do much. I believe their touring management left half way through a tour or something, then steve lillywhite left the production of DGSS seemingly because the songs simply wernt good enough. by BE they didnt really have any marketing at all, no-one knew an album was even coming out. The voice was about the only piece of marketing they did, the TV advert dropped about 11pm the night before release, it was just poor. however I suspect that lack of funds were to blame for the poor BE release, they couldnt even find the cash to go to coachella in the end which speaks volumes on the state the band was in really. basically beady eye was a ship without a captain, it hit the rocks, warner brothers control mostly everything now so Liam is back in his old role in oasis of just showing up and singing the songs wherever and whenever. |
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 23, 2019 11:00:59 GMT -5
No matter what you think of Beady Eyes songs, there is a huge difference in how much better Liams marketing is now. For arguements sake, it would have been nice for Beady Eye to have got the same marketing and exposure. And of course with Liams name on it. Agreed that the albums weren't the same quality. But a song like The roller was more than good enough and it didnt do that well because it didn't have good marketing. Likewise the 2nd album. If anyone thinks going on the Voice is the same as One Love then i want some of what you're smoking. I think beady generally wasnt set up very well, possibly because Noel was always sorting out the business aspect of oasis and suddenly Liam had to do it himself and simply didnt know what to do. Maybe come arrogance was at play that Liam had gotten too used to the buzz oasis generated and didnt really feel the need to do much. I believe their touring management left half way through a tour or something, then steve lillywhite left the production of DGSS seemingly because the songs simply wernt good enough. by BE they didnt really have any marketing at all, no-one knew an album was even coming out. The voice was about the only piece of marketing they did, the TV advert dropped about 11pm the night before release, it was just poor. however I suspect that lack of funds were to blame for the poor BE release, they couldnt even find the cash to go to coachella in the end which speaks volumes on the state the band was in really. basically beady eye was a ship without a captain, it hit the rocks, warner brothers control mostly everything now so Liam is back in his old role in oasis of just showing up and singing the songs wherever and whenever. I'd agree with alot of that. But he's still that man who doesn't know all that aspect of it now. He just has better management and people around him who know what they're doing. I'm not saying Beady Eye was good enough for Liam, nor am I saying the songs were of the quality they are now. They were however better than what many give them credit for. It just doesn't take much for sheep to go with everyone else's opinion on things. Very much like how Noel releases a song now and its dismissed instantly as Leo Sayer shit or whatever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 15:39:39 GMT -5
I think beady generally wasnt set up very well, possibly because Noel was always sorting out the business aspect of oasis and suddenly Liam had to do it himself and simply didnt know what to do. Maybe come arrogance was at play that Liam had gotten too used to the buzz oasis generated and didnt really feel the need to do much. I believe their touring management left half way through a tour or something, then steve lillywhite left the production of DGSS seemingly because the songs simply wernt good enough. by BE they didnt really have any marketing at all, no-one knew an album was even coming out. The voice was about the only piece of marketing they did, the TV advert dropped about 11pm the night before release, it was just poor. however I suspect that lack of funds were to blame for the poor BE release, they couldnt even find the cash to go to coachella in the end which speaks volumes on the state the band was in really. basically beady eye was a ship without a captain, it hit the rocks, warner brothers control mostly everything now so Liam is back in his old role in oasis of just showing up and singing the songs wherever and whenever. I'd agree with alot of that. But he's still that man who doesn't know all that aspect of it now. He just has better management and people around him who know what they're doing. I'm not saying Beady Eye was good enough for Liam, nor am I saying the songs were of the quality they are now. They were however better than what many give them credit for. It just doesn't take much for sheep to go with everyone else's opinion on things. Very much like how Noel releases a song now and its dismissed instantly as Leo Sayer shit or whatever. I totally agree, I have said this before that people are generally like a pack of wolves when it comes to the gallaghers. When beady eye was operating, they were pretty much written off before they even really got going. People certainly didnt really give BE a chance. The general opinion was Liam is shit and is probably begging for an oasis reunion whilst Noel was praised left right and centre.
.....then Liam takes a break and suddenly everyone decides they actually miss Liam and love him again. He returns and suddenly Liam is now the beloved brother and Noel is the dickhead.
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if the opinion flips back the other way before long.
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Post by fartpanic on Jun 23, 2019 17:09:56 GMT -5
I'd agree with alot of that. But he's still that man who doesn't know all that aspect of it now. He just has better management and people around him who know what they're doing. I'm not saying Beady Eye was good enough for Liam, nor am I saying the songs were of the quality they are now. They were however better than what many give them credit for. It just doesn't take much for sheep to go with everyone else's opinion on things. Very much like how Noel releases a song now and its dismissed instantly as Leo Sayer shit or whatever. I totally agree, I have said this before that people are generally like a pack of wolves when it comes to the gallaghers. When beady eye was operating, they were pretty much written off before they even really got going. People certainly didnt really give BE a chance. The general opinion was Liam is shit and is probably begging for an oasis reunion whilst Noel was praised left right and centre.
.....then Liam takes a break and suddenly everyone decides they actually miss Liam and love him again. He returns and suddenly Liam is now the beloved brother and Noel is the dickhead.
I honestly wouldnt be surprised if the opinion flips back the other way before long.
You could even relate it back to Oasis. How many were ready to crucify them when Morning Glory come out? All the journalists were ready to ruin these arrogant pair of pricks. Yet Morning Glory was so undeniably good and successful that they had to wait. But yeah, people don't actually think for themselves. It's quite worrying, and it's relatable to far more important things than this. |
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Post by oasismashups on Jun 23, 2019 20:20:57 GMT -5
Only caught the end of that Virgin radio. Mainly Chris Evans shouting, which is annoying as he'd actually asked an interesting question then just not waited for the answer. I think this is actually a good interview with Noel. "You know what Irish mums are like, they'll kind of furiously not take sides, and if they can, pretend it's not happening" Is he implying that Peggy is on Liam's side? |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 25, 2019 10:24:42 GMT -5
I think this is actually a good interview with Noel. "You know what Irish mums are like, they'll kind of furiously not take sides, and if they can, pretend it's not happening" Is he implying that Peggy is on Liam's side? I've listened to that interview, and absolutely not... Mum wont take sides, because she knows the relationship between the brother is also because of her life choices. |
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