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Post by The Escapist on May 30, 2019 10:24:39 GMT -5
I'm all for getting rid of this Ashcroft-is-a-genius personality-cult when the man has barely made a decent album in two decades, but there's no denying that his work with The Verve was amazing. A Storm in Heaven, A Northern Soul, and Urban Hymns are all great records, and Ashcroft's vocals and lyrics were astonishing. His solo career is shite, but The Verve deserve the praise given to them.
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Post by Jim on May 30, 2019 10:44:40 GMT -5
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Post by bt95 on May 30, 2019 14:41:40 GMT -5
Rattling Rose is great.
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Post by seanrulesrh on May 30, 2019 18:36:18 GMT -5
If it wasn't for TMWBTM I would say that Rattling Rose is better than anything on WBTM? I fookin love the song
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Post by themightyme on May 30, 2019 20:16:55 GMT -5
I'll take it! To me, it's a solid tune that would have fit well on Chasing Yesterday. Anyone was expecting anything more from a secondary track of an EP was kidding themselves.
It's going to naturally get compared to Shockwave because of timing...but it's really an unfair comparison. This was not even an album track.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 31, 2019 10:44:02 GMT -5
Nice interview with Noel on radio today. He was afraid for a moment that the other guest was going to cover Liam's song  And he can't help insulting Hull. Anything new on the upcoming EPs / album? |
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Post by Casino Boogie on May 31, 2019 13:50:41 GMT -5
Anything new on the upcoming EPs / album? They talked about "Sail On",Noel described it psychedelic folk. The interview is here. Noel starts at 1h 39mins in. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 31, 2019 13:57:58 GMT -5
They talked about "Sail On",Noel described it psychedelic folk. The interview is here. Noel starts at 1h 39mins in. Noel loves a good bomber jacket. Which is the new flannel in the fashion world it seems. |
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Post by norkbauer on May 31, 2019 15:40:27 GMT -5
So is there only gonna be two actual new songs on each EP? That's pretty rubbish. Should have just made two EPs, one with six new songs and one with all the remixes. Only two? Black Star Dancing EP contains three original tracks and two remixes. I was thinking about three original songs per EP. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 31, 2019 15:43:36 GMT -5
So is there only gonna be two actual new songs on each EP? That's pretty rubbish. Should have just made two EPs, one with six new songs and one with all the remixes. Only two? Black Star Dancing EP contains three original tracks and two remixes. I was thinking about three original songs per EP. Noel said 3-4 on remaining EPs plus remixes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 16:20:39 GMT -5
I'm all for getting rid of this Ashcroft-is-a-genius personality-cult when the man has barely made a decent album in two decades, but there's no denying that his work with The Verve was amazing. A Storm in Heaven, A Northern Soul, and Urban Hymns are all great records, and Ashcroft's vocals and lyrics were astonishing. His solo career is shite, but The Verve deserve the praise given to them. The only album I really would label as total shit by ashcroft is "Natural rebel", its utterly dreadful. his other solo albums are least salvageable imo, even as only mediocre pieces of work. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 31, 2019 17:37:21 GMT -5
So is there only gonna be two actual new songs on each EP? That's pretty rubbish. Should have just made two EPs, one with six new songs and one with all the remixes. Only two? Black Star Dancing EP contains three original tracks and two remixes. I was thinking about three original songs per EP. It does? I thought Rattling Rose and Black Star Dancing were the only new songs on this EP? |
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Post by Thomas on May 31, 2019 17:40:10 GMT -5
Only two? Black Star Dancing EP contains three original tracks and two remixes. I was thinking about three original songs per EP. It does? I thought Rattling Rose and Black Star Dancing were the only new songs on this EP? There's also Sail On! |
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Post by bt95 on May 31, 2019 18:04:21 GMT -5
So...what's this Black Star Dancing EP with just those two I just added to my library? I'm confused now haha. Oh, well, happy to be wrong about that one, three songs and remixes feels a bit more EP-worthy. They just keep adding to the playlist with the new songs, mate. 3-4 originals on each of the eps (I'd say there'll be 10 new songs total, so an album's worth) |
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Post by The Escapist on May 31, 2019 18:12:55 GMT -5
So...what's this Black Star Dancing EP with just those two I just added to my library? I'm confused now haha. Oh, well, happy to be wrong about that one, three songs and remixes feels a bit more EP-worthy. They just keep adding to the playlist with the new songs, mate. 3-4 originals on each of the eps (I'd say there'll be 10 new songs total, so an album's worth) Wow, what an odd way of doing it. Okay, glad to hear it  |
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Post by captainsoul on Jun 2, 2019 7:12:40 GMT -5
Liam's voice sounds weak and nasal as hell. I love it, though. Yeah his vocals definitely got worse during the last few albums but I’d always prefer him to Richard Ashcroft. Don’t get me wrong, I loved some of the early Verve stuff and Urban Hymns. And Forth was quite a good LP too, come to mention it but he’s overrated. Liam’s vocals were top notch on As You Were though. He’s got it back. It's funny to see some people saying that Liam got "his voice back". His voice sounds good on the album after hours of work to improve it, but live, unfortunatelly it doesn't sound that good anymore. He keeps forcing his throat every time he sings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 7:28:16 GMT -5
If it wasn't for TMWBTM I would say that Rattling Rose is better than anything on WBTM? I fookin love the song I liked the man who built the moon at the time and I still very much like the verses, the chorus is just abit shit and almost gives me a headache listening to it, the background noise is like nails down a chalkboard. |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jun 2, 2019 10:23:19 GMT -5
Yeah his vocals definitely got worse during the last few albums but I’d always prefer him to Richard Ashcroft. Don’t get me wrong, I loved some of the early Verve stuff and Urban Hymns. And Forth was quite a good LP too, come to mention it but he’s overrated. Liam’s vocals were top notch on As You Were though. He’s got it back. It's funny to see some people saying that Liam got "his voice back". His voice sounds good on the album after hours of work to improve it, but live, unfortunatelly it doesn't sound that good anymore. He keeps forcing his throat every time he sings. Well, if you read what I said, I said on the album. I didn’t mention Live. His live voice isn’t the greatest and in fact I’m not that interested in him live anymore. I’m all about the three and a half minute songs. |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on Jun 2, 2019 10:26:06 GMT -5
If it wasn't for TMWBTM I would say that Rattling Rose is better than anything on WBTM? I fookin love the song I liked the man who built the moon at the time and I still very much like the verses, the chorus is just abit shit and almost gives me a headache listening to it, the background noise is like nails down a chalkboard. I’d say 100% Rattling Rose is better than any of the songs on WBTM. I can’t listen to any of that album. |
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 2, 2019 13:19:22 GMT -5
The chorus of TMWBTM is fantastic. One of the most ominous and charismatic ones Noel has written in a long time.
We never shoulda left town in the first place...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 13:28:28 GMT -5
Yeah his vocals definitely got worse during the last few albums but I’d always prefer him to Richard Ashcroft. Don’t get me wrong, I loved some of the early Verve stuff and Urban Hymns. And Forth was quite a good LP too, come to mention it but he’s overrated. Liam’s vocals were top notch on As You Were though. He’s got it back. It's funny to see some people saying that Liam got "his voice back". His voice sounds good on the album after hours of work to improve it, but live, unfortunatelly it doesn't sound that good anymore. He keeps forcing his throat every time he sings. It depends on what you call "good" though, his voice compared to 1995 is clearly not that great anymore, thats a given. However there has been many gigs over the last couple of years where I would say he was a pretty decent vocalist, glastonbury for example, he was hitting the higher notes in bold with no issue. He very much has got his voice back compared to a decade ago. I have also heard a few gigs lately where ashcroft sounded pretty piss poor so hes not a fantastic 100% of the time either. Think one was isle of wight festival? his voice was shot to shit. Whether that was just down to illness or something else I dont know though. I really dont follow him that closely. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 2, 2019 14:41:20 GMT -5
Wait. Rattling Rose isn’t the super “Mancunian” song that Noel thinks is awesome, is it?!
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Post by chrismh on Jun 2, 2019 15:34:30 GMT -5
Wait. Rattling Rose isn’t the super “Mancunian” song that Noel thinks is awesome, is it?! No, it isn't. The super "Mancunian" will be the second EP. |
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Post by Marissa on Jun 2, 2019 22:11:20 GMT -5
Noel starts at 1h 39mins in. Noel loves a good bomber jacket. Which is the new flannel in the fashion world it seems. you mean "the new idea the straights are stealing from their more forward non-het brothers and sisters" which is exactly what flannel was.... see: karamo brown for bombers and every lesbian ever for flannels... noel does pull it off alright though... |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Jun 3, 2019 2:31:51 GMT -5
I was pretty angry because of the Noel statements about his new material. But in the long wait for the EPs to come out,I have a little theory. He said he was working on different projects. From one side,he said that he was writting songs on the bass to be more groovy. On the other side,he said that he would bring two records,one of them more traditional and the other more like WBTM? And we already have heard an unreleased song from those sessions (I don't know if the titles out there,but I'm refering to the one that sounded in the backround in that Johnny Marr BTS video). So my theory is: What if THAT'S WHY we have 3 EPs instead of an album? Maybe the songs don't sound solid with each other because there are 3 different styles. And it makes sense if you listen to Black Star Dancing and Rattling Rose,and I would say that the BSD EP is the one all written in the bass. Both songs build up on a bass line. So the other two EPs...one must be the traditional record that everybody wants him to do and the other one must have that one song with Marr and the vibe from WBTM?
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