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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 25, 2019 13:51:29 GMT -5
I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think Richard Ashcroft is massively overrated. Although saying that, his solo songs and Noel’s do have a lot in common but I’d better not go there... Richard ashcroft's voice is what propels noel's songs to another level. This could potentially be bigger than late-oasis, if you think about it..Noel rock songs + Ashcroft's voice= massive potential Bigger than late Oasis? No. Ashcroft can’t sing Noel’s songs better than Liam. No one can - Noel included (apart from a couple of his acoustic songs maybe). Ashcroft doesn’t have a great vocal range either I don’t think. Although I would say he could do with having guest vocalists in on the odd song because a whole LP with just Noel’s vocal is a fucking chore to listen to after a while. I know just the man actually... |
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Post by World71R on May 25, 2019 14:27:46 GMT -5
Richard ashcroft's voice is what propels noel's songs to another level. This could potentially be bigger than late-oasis, if you think about it..Noel rock songs + Ashcroft's voice= massive potential Bigger than late Oasis? No. Ashcroft can’t sing Noel’s songs better than Liam. No one can - Noel included (apart from a couple of his acoustic songs maybe). Ashcroft doesn’t have a great vocal range either I don’t think. Although I would say he could do with having guest vocalists in on the odd song because a whole LP with just Noel’s vocal is a fucking chore to listen to after a while. I know just the man actually... I agree about having guest vocalists. It would add to the whole idea of the original idea of the High Flying Birds being a number of different musicians and people involved. It would be really cool to hear people like Ashcroft, Damon Albarn, and others do vocals on some songs to mix things up a bit. I could imagine Albarn doing a killer vocal performance with Stop the Clocks and Record Machine, with Noel on backing vocals, or even Ashcroft on vocals for Record Machine. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 25, 2019 14:45:20 GMT -5
Bigger than late Oasis? No. Ashcroft can’t sing Noel’s songs better than Liam. No one can - Noel included (apart from a couple of his acoustic songs maybe). Ashcroft doesn’t have a great vocal range either I don’t think. Although I would say he could do with having guest vocalists in on the odd song because a whole LP with just Noel’s vocal is a fucking chore to listen to after a while. I know just the man actually... I agree about having guest vocalists. It would add to the whole idea of the original idea of the High Flying Birds being a number of different musicians and people involved. It would be really cool to hear people like Ashcroft, Damon Albarn, and others do vocals on some songs to mix things up a bit. I could imagine Albarn doing a killer vocal performance with Stop the Clocks and Record Machine, with Noel on backing vocals, or even Ashcroft on vocals for Record Machine. I wanted Damon on MOON. Didn’t get it although it was close to happening. I really wanted Noel on the Gorillaz album from early 2017. I mean technically he’s on it but whatever. Turn the mic up! Would love to hear the original Brit rock version of we’ve got the power. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 25, 2019 14:56:43 GMT -5
I’m sorry Noel, I love you, but you can’t release a middling disco track and then make the entire fanbase wait months for new songs. Not working. I’m more excited now for Liam’s full album, rather than having to wait for the next sleep-inducing “remix”. Nobody buys tickets to your show for the new material. I’m sorry but it’s true. Your management should have told you this. We just want to sing Live Forever with you and sing along to the Masterplan. No one is hoping black star dancing pops up in the set list. Sorry, but for 99% of fans, this is true people wanted a modern release method this is what it is Not so sure, mate. A modern release method would be to release all songs as soon as they are finished. Look at the pop music / hip-hop style...those artists have a new song every week it seems (usually "featuring..." a thousand people) |
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Post by jazamora93 on May 25, 2019 20:55:56 GMT -5
Bigger than late Oasis? No. Ashcroft can’t sing Noel’s songs better than Liam. No one can - Noel included (apart from a couple of his acoustic songs maybe). Ashcroft doesn’t have a great vocal range either I don’t think. Although I would say he could do with having guest vocalists in on the odd song because a whole LP with just Noel’s vocal is a fucking chore to listen to after a while. I know just the man actually... I agree about having guest vocalists. It would add to the whole idea of the original idea of the High Flying Birds being a number of different musicians and people involved. It would be really cool to hear people like Ashcroft, Damon Albarn, and others do vocals on some songs to mix things up a bit. I could imagine Albarn doing a killer vocal performance with Stop the Clocks and Record Machine, with Noel on backing vocals, or even Ashcroft on vocals for Record Machine. Record machine and Everbodys on the run, you know ashcrofts tailor made for those |
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Post by captainsoul on May 26, 2019 5:22:16 GMT -5
Richard ashcroft's voice is what propels noel's songs to another level. This could potentially be bigger than late-oasis, if you think about it..Noel rock songs + Ashcroft's voice= massive potential Bigger than late Oasis? No. Ashcroft can’t sing Noel’s songs better than Liam. No one can - Noel included (apart from a couple of his acoustic songs maybe). Ashcroft doesn’t have a great vocal range either I don’t think. Although I would say he could do with having guest vocalists in on the odd song because a whole LP with just Noel’s vocal is a fucking chore to listen to after a while. I know just the man actually... Liam's voice sounds weak and nasal as hell. I love it, though. |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 26, 2019 5:49:43 GMT -5
Bigger than late Oasis? No. Ashcroft can’t sing Noel’s songs better than Liam. No one can - Noel included (apart from a couple of his acoustic songs maybe). Ashcroft doesn’t have a great vocal range either I don’t think. Although I would say he could do with having guest vocalists in on the odd song because a whole LP with just Noel’s vocal is a fucking chore to listen to after a while. I know just the man actually... Liam's voice sounds weak and nasal as hell. I love it, though. Yeah his vocals definitely got worse during the last few albums but I’d always prefer him to Richard Ashcroft. Don’t get me wrong, I loved some of the early Verve stuff and Urban Hymns. And Forth was quite a good LP too, come to mention it but he’s overrated. Liam’s vocals were top notch on As You Were though. He’s got it back. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 26, 2019 8:42:32 GMT -5
people wanted a modern release method this is what it is Not so sure, mate. A modern release method would be to release all songs as soon as they are finished. Look at the pop music / hip-hop style...those artists have a new song every week it seems (usually "featuring..." a thousand people) Gotta feed the monkey.....man! |
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Post by 2nz on May 28, 2019 4:24:21 GMT -5
Why would Noel want to have anything to do with Richard Ashcroft? Stop being obsessed with the past. It happened. We have videos, and music, and more!
I think Black Star Dancing is great. Sounds like an artist really enjoying their freedom and finding their voice. It's doing OK on radio & there's the promise of more to come this year. If you want 15 Little by Littles, make youself a playlist with 15 little by littles on it & fuck off.
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Post by jazamora93 on May 28, 2019 6:48:12 GMT -5
Why would Noel want to have anything to do with Richard Ashcroft? Stop being obsessed with the past. It happened. We have videos, and music, and more! I think Black Star Dancing is great. Sounds like an artist really enjoying their freedom and finding their voice. It's doing OK on radio & there's the promise of more to come this year. If you want 15 Little by Littles, make youself a playlist with 15 little by littles on it & fuck off. Noel and Ashcroft didnt happen yet what are you smoking. Unless you want noel's dad-dance you make one of those playlists. The voice of Ashcroft might arguably rival Liam and I dont know if theres another that compares. Do you think EOTR would not sound great with him? Now Noel can write stuff which he is good at without worrying anymore about the big stadium vocals |
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Post by World71R on May 28, 2019 17:39:33 GMT -5
Why would Noel want to have anything to do with Richard Ashcroft? Stop being obsessed with the past. It happened. We have videos, and music, and more! I think Black Star Dancing is great. Sounds like an artist really enjoying their freedom and finding their voice. It's doing OK on radio & there's the promise of more to come this year. If you want 15 Little by Littles, make youself a playlist with 15 little by littles on it & fuck off. I agree, but I think that Noel & Ashcroft working together would be something cool and not too far off of where Noel should be at this point in his career, same with a Noel & Damon collaboration. That's a good launching pad for Noel working with other artists and that will also appeal to one part of his base, while the other side of his base gets something else, like Black Star Dancing. I'd love to see Nile Rodgers do more with Noel besides calling one of his songs "dope" because I think those two together would be a cool collaboration. Noel with people like Daft Punk or George Clinton would be a fucking dream, but Noel working with Nile would be a good start and entirely possible. |
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Post by glider on May 28, 2019 19:39:56 GMT -5
Why would Noel want to have anything to do with Richard Ashcroft? Stop being obsessed with the past. It happened. We have videos, and music, and more! I think Black Star Dancing is great. Sounds like an artist really enjoying their freedom and finding their voice. It's doing OK on radio & there's the promise of more to come this year. If you want 15 Little by Littles, make youself a playlist with 15 little by littles on it & fuck off. I agree, but I think that Noel & Ashcroft working together would be something cool and not too far off of where Noel should be at this point in his career, same with a Noel & Damon collaboration. That's a good launching pad for Noel working with other artists and that will also appeal to one part of his base, while the other side of his base gets something else, like Black Star Dancing. I'd love to see Nile Rodgers do more with Noel besides calling one of his songs "dope" because I think those two together would be a cool collaboration. Noel with people like Daft Punk or George Clinton would be a fucking dream, but Noel working with Nile would be a good start and entirely possible. Richard would just self-destruct and ditch the project, so couldn't happen. |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on May 29, 2019 4:06:48 GMT -5
It's a shame Ashcroft and Noel won't ever work together after what Noel said about him last year not writing his own tunes.
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Post by 2nz on May 29, 2019 4:30:53 GMT -5
Ashcroft has been creatively bankrupt for years. Arguable that he's never really had any talent to start with. I can see him creaming himself to get involved with Noel, but there's no upside the other way round.
Noel has made it very clear that he's not looking backward that much, and Ashcroft is stuck playing to diminishing numbers (since his comeback, his albums charting at 3 and 4. If you're a legacy act, getting number 1s should be fairly easy in the album charts these days.) He's playing smaller venues, whilst Noel is moving up the bills at festivals.
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Post by andymorris on May 30, 2019 3:59:25 GMT -5
Never quite understood the cult surrounding Ashcroft. He's made one good record with The Verve, and even this one was not that good.
One of the most overrated artist from the 90s to me.
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Post by 2nz on May 30, 2019 5:14:07 GMT -5
Never quite understood the cult surrounding Ashcroft. He's made one good record with The Verve, and even this one was not that good. One of the most overrated artist from the 90s to me. If it hadn't been for that princess dying when the Drugs Don't Work came out, they'd have been forgotten as one hit wonders. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on May 30, 2019 5:22:09 GMT -5
Never quite understood the cult surrounding Ashcroft. He's made one good record with The Verve, and even this one was not that good. One of the most overrated artist from the 90s to me. Hurts to admit,but you're right. Urban Hymns is an average album. It got few great tracks,but only a few. I mean,Lucky Man,BSS,Sonnet,TDDW and Weeping Willow. Even The Rolling People is not that good. Is the same case with DYKWIM,good song but way too fucking long. Ashcroft solo is the same case as Mozz and Ian Brown. Few tunes but not a solid record at all. A Song For The Lovers and that's it. But I must say that a Noel/Ashcroft collab wouldn't be too bad. I mean,Noel got the songs and RA got the voice. But they're two big egos so I don't see it happening. |
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Post by jazamora93 on May 30, 2019 5:59:16 GMT -5
Ashcroft has been creatively bankrupt for years. Arguable that he's never really had any talent to start with. I can see him creaming himself to get involved with Noel, but there's no upside the other way round. Noel has made it very clear that he's not looking backward that much, and Ashcroft is stuck playing to diminishing numbers (since his comeback, his albums charting at 3 and 4. If you're a legacy act, getting number 1s should be fairly easy in the album charts these days.) He's playing smaller venues, whilst Noel is moving up the bills at festivals. Do you think Liam had any talent other than singing? lol. All i know is if theres one person now tailor suited to sing Noel's rock songs, its ashcroft |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 30, 2019 6:27:26 GMT -5
Never quite understood the cult surrounding Ashcroft. He's made one good record with The Verve, and even this one was not that good. One of the most overrated artist from the 90s to me. If it hadn't been for that princess dying when the Drugs Don't Work came out, they'd have been forgotten as one hit wonders.  Utter tosh. Like the song relates to that event in any way. Its a good song following BS which was massive, hardly surprising. |
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Post by mancraider on May 30, 2019 6:36:26 GMT -5
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Post by 2nz on May 30, 2019 6:57:30 GMT -5
If it hadn't been for that princess dying when the Drugs Don't Work came out, they'd have been forgotten as one hit wonders. Utter tosh. Like the song relates to that event in any way. Its a good song following BS which was massive, hardly surprising. That song was released that week and went to Number 1. For a lot of people it's massively linked and ushered in a shower of bedwetting introspection that turned into Keane and Travis and people taking themselves far too seriously. |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 30, 2019 7:40:59 GMT -5
It’s funny that Richard Ashcroft working with Noel has taken over this thread. It’s not even worth talking about because it will never happen (thank fuck!). I don’t think he’d add anything to EOTR as that song sounds great with Noel singing it. Suits his voice. In fact that whole album suits Noel’s voice very well.
I’ve always seen RA as a bit of a Liam wannabe tbh. If you’ve seen any of his early interviews he’s totally different in his mannerisms then, come 1995, he’s gone all Gallagher on us. Couple of good tunes in the early days and Urban Hymns and that’s it. And that United Nations album was completely shite too.
Since then, some of his interviews have been borderline David Brent cringeworthy. Jumping over and lying on the sofa and shit like that when being interviewed on BBC1. Nah.
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Post by matt on May 30, 2019 7:54:02 GMT -5
Never quite understood the cult surrounding Ashcroft. He's made one good record with The Verve, and even this one was not that good. One of the most overrated artist from the 90s to me. If it hadn't been for that princess dying when the Drugs Don't Work came out, they'd have been forgotten as one hit wonders. I don’t remember Ashcroft turning up at Westminster Abbey and doing a solo rendition of it at the funeral! Regardless, that tune would have topped the charts - British rock music was going into that phase regardless where the big bands were all turning a bit more reflective and melancholy in their sound as opposed to the upbeat and gregarious nature of Oasis at their peak. OK Computer had a lot of influence over it, even Blur with Beetlebum was a bit more mellow than their usual tunes beforehand. I think it explains a lot about the rise of Coldplay, Doves, etc who churned out more melancholic sounding tunes a few years after. |
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Post by matt on May 30, 2019 7:56:56 GMT -5
As for Ashcroft and Noel collaborating, it’s just not a really interesting one.
Noel should work with somebody who is different - great collaborations are more chalk and cheese rather than being similar in style. And as for Ashcroft working with Liam - why? Liam’s working with far better songwriters at the minute. Seems like hope rather than expectation with him - jumping on the Liam bandwagon when his stock is sky high compared to himself.
The time has passed - as said above, he’s now creatively bankrupt and irrelevant.
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Post by andymorris on May 30, 2019 8:42:09 GMT -5
Never quite understood the cult surrounding Ashcroft. He's made one good record with The Verve, and even this one was not that good. One of the most overrated artist from the 90s to me. Hurts to admit,but you're right. Urban Hymns is an average album. It got few great tracks,but only a few. I mean,Lucky Man,BSS,Sonnet,TDDW and Weeping Willow. Even The Rolling People is not that good. Is the same case with DYKWIM,good song but way too fucking long. Ashcroft solo is the same case as Mozz and Ian Brown. Few tunes but not a solid record at all. A Song For The Lovers and that's it. But I must say that a Noel/Ashcroft collab wouldn't be too bad. I mean,Noel got the songs and RA got the voice. But they're two big egos so I don't see it happening. Exactly. The Verve also came when people where in need of loving someone who was not Oasis, and that record came exactly at the right time. Ashcroft was the perfect transition between the Gallaghers and Coldplay. Not a bad boy but not perfect either, with songs that were not completely pop, not completely rock. And not britpop either. Personally i dont want Noel to collaborate with any singer. He cant do it all alone, so there is no need. |
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Utter tosh. Like the song relates to that event in any way. Its a good song following BS which was massive, hardly surprising.
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