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Post by yeayeayeah on May 22, 2019 3:37:34 GMT -5
Thinking of this makes me wish that SOTSOG would've been more in the vein of the darker, more electronic and trip hop-influenced rock that was apparent on songs like Go Let it Out, the Where Did it All Go Wrong? demo, and Fuckin' in the Bushes. Gas Panic!, Roll it Over, and Let's All Make Believe are good in their own right and are good twists on the Oasis sound but some more tunes like the first three and some dance-y tunes, sort of like Columbia but more electronic and darker, would've been really, really cool and a true transformation. PYMWYMI was a good step but they mis-stepped with that song before it even came out of the gate. There are so many what ifs from this period. Had Be Here Now gone on to be a Morning Glory-style success story with All Around the World hailed as the ultimate Oasis triumph, I highly doubt that their 4th album would have sounded anything like what SOTSOG ended up becoming, though what it would have sounded like, I have no idea. I can't imagine them going even bigger, but who knows? I remember him saying on Canadian television that the drum loops on D'You Know What I Mean? were a sign of things to come. But instead of Oasis leading the way, starting in late 1997 and definitely into 1998, there was a definite sea change that made Oasis less relevant than they had been. The scene was less about having a great time, less a celebration of a common heritage and more about an individualistic somber response to the realities of life. Music became darker and more cerebral. Rather than continuing to lead the pack, Noel had to decide whether he was going to follow the trend, or simply continue doing what Oasis had always done and become more of a novelty side-show. I think he decided to follow the trend but do it in his own way. But I think he was always a bit lost in this regard. Nevertheless, I do think SOTSOG was heavily influenced especially by The Beta Band and the 3 EP comp. And while it is true that the album is a portrayal of a band and an artist who are unsure of who they are in this moment and lacks a full commitment to anything (like you say, a more electronic album would have been very interesting); nevertheless, if anything SOTSOG may be the most personal album Noel has ever made and will ever make and certainly his most honest. But I suppose if you are honest about your own uncertainty as an artist and as a person, you will end up with an honest but uncertain album. Anyway, I guess this could all be in a different thread but ultimately this was a very interesting period in the band's history. It's a strange album, some fantastic songs on there but some that are so average. Every album that followed we had high hopes but they never actually bettered it during the '00s. The first half of DOYS maybe..... |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 22, 2019 15:40:18 GMT -5
I can’t get hyped for the new stuff at all. Always, always built up any Oasis, NGHFB new music but this new stuff doesn’t fill me with any confidence.
Before anyone says it - it’s not because I want the old Noel sound. I don’t want to hear another If I Had A Gun, Lock All The Doors etc. I have always wanted him to evolve and try different things but Black Star Dancing And the whole of WBTM I think are not just bad but shockingly bad. Terrible songs. I could go on a detailed rant about why I think each song on Who Built The Bloody Moon is so bad. Production is awful too with its over use of the Abbey Road plugin. It’s ok to be trying to be different but, you know, if it’s shit, it’s shit.
Course, the next song might blow me away and I’ll be back on the hype train...
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Post by ritajerry on May 23, 2019 9:05:26 GMT -5
I can’t get hyped for the new stuff at all. Always, always built up any Oasis, NGHFB new music but this new stuff doesn’t fill me with any confidence. Before anyone says it - it’s not because I want the old Noel sound. I don’t want to hear another If I Had A Gun, Lock All The Doors etc. I have always wanted him to evolve and try different things but Black Star Dancing And the whole of WBTM I think are not just bad but shockingly bad. Terrible songs. I could go on a detailed rant about why I think each song on Who Built The Bloody Moon is so bad. Production is awful too with its over use of the Abbey Road plugin. It’s ok to be trying to be different but, you know, if it’s shit, it’s shit. Course, the next song might blow me away and I’ll be back on the hype train... I agreed with you before, but after I heard FK HM IABW live, it totally change my mind |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 23, 2019 9:31:58 GMT -5
I can’t get hyped for the new stuff at all. Always, always built up any Oasis, NGHFB new music but this new stuff doesn’t fill me with any confidence. Before anyone says it - it’s not because I want the old Noel sound. I don’t want to hear another If I Had A Gun, Lock All The Doors etc. I have always wanted him to evolve and try different things but Black Star Dancing And the whole of WBTM I think are not just bad but shockingly bad. Terrible songs. I could go on a detailed rant about why I think each song on Who Built The Bloody Moon is so bad. Production is awful too with its over use of the Abbey Road plugin. It’s ok to be trying to be different but, you know, if it’s shit, it’s shit. Course, the next song might blow me away and I’ll be back on the hype train... I agreed with you before, but after I heard FK HM IABW live, it totally change my mind I get what you mean because I think BSD definitely sounds better live (although I still don’t rate it). Maybe in this day and age, with the emphasis on live shows, that’s what he’s going for - writing songs that will hopefully sound great live rather than what it sounds like on record seeing as the majority of people don’t buy music anymore. |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 23, 2019 14:37:37 GMT -5
Not having this EP release strategy...we're still 3 full weeks away from getting just one new song we haven't heard, Sail On. And then we have to wait ANOTHER three months for the next EP. My patience is usually solid, and even though I generally like BSD, I'm so sick of it by now. It's a good song, but it's not good enough to make me wait two months for just two extra tracks. (Really one extra track).
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Post by jazamora93 on May 23, 2019 21:42:48 GMT -5
Whe else thinks Noel teaming up with richard Ashcroft would be monumental now. Shit that could be potentially bigger than noel and liam right now. This way noel could write his usual anthemic rock but only to be sung by Ashcroft, imagine the likes of EOTR! (Black and white sunshine too, TMWBTM chorus sung by mr ashcroft. Id probably lose my head but I think this could be the best case scenario rn
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 22:10:50 GMT -5
I agreed with you before, but after I heard FK HM IABW live, it totally change my mind I get what you mean because I think BSD definitely sounds better live (although I still don’t rate it). Maybe in this day and age, with the emphasis on live shows, that’s what he’s going for - writing songs that will hopefully sound great live rather than what it sounds like on record seeing as the majority of people don’t buy music anymore. I think you might be on to something with this. The High Flying Birds definitely sound best when they are live. |
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Post by smash on May 23, 2019 23:34:19 GMT -5
Whe else thinks Noel teaming up with richard Ashcroft would be monumental now. Shit that could be potentially bigger than noel and liam right now. This way noel could write his usual anthemic rock but only to be sung by Ashcroft, imagine the likes of EOTR! (Black and white sunshine too, TMWBTM chorus sung by mr ashcroft. Id probably lose my head but I think this could be the best case scenario rn I don’t think Ashcroft would be that eager to work with Noel since Noel suggested he doesn’t write his own songs. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 24, 2019 0:19:39 GMT -5
Only 800,000 streams after 2 weeks. Shitty. That is only $3,200 from streaming.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 24, 2019 1:00:29 GMT -5
I’m sorry Noel, I love you, but you can’t release a middling disco track and then make the entire fanbase wait months for new songs. Not working.
I’m more excited now for Liam’s full album, rather than having to wait for the next sleep-inducing “remix”.
Nobody buys tickets to your show for the new material. I’m sorry but it’s true. Your management should have told you this. We just want to sing Live Forever with you and sing along to the Masterplan. No one is hoping black star dancing pops up in the set list.
Sorry, but for 99% of fans, this is true
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Post by Let It Bleed on May 24, 2019 2:12:46 GMT -5
We need to burn some sage in this thread, completely clear the energy, and start some next level thinking....
Thanks.
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Post by sfsorrow on May 24, 2019 7:40:16 GMT -5
Whe else thinks Noel teaming up with richard Ashcroft would be monumental now. Shit that could be potentially bigger than noel and liam right now. This way noel could write his usual anthemic rock but only to be sung by Ashcroft, imagine the likes of EOTR! (Black and white sunshine too, TMWBTM chorus sung by mr ashcroft. Id probably lose my head but I think this could be the best case scenario rn I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think a collaboration between two control freaks is a recipe for disaster. |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 24, 2019 7:59:15 GMT -5
I’m sorry Noel, I love you, but you can’t release a middling disco track and then make the entire fanbase wait months for new songs. Not working. I’m more excited now for Liam’s full album, rather than having to wait for the next sleep-inducing “remix”. Nobody buys tickets to your show for the new material. I’m sorry but it’s true. Your management should have told you this. We just want to sing Live Forever with you and sing along to the Masterplan. No one is hoping black star dancing pops up in the set list. Sorry, but for 99% of fans, this is true 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 24, 2019 8:01:20 GMT -5
Whe else thinks Noel teaming up with richard Ashcroft would be monumental now. Shit that could be potentially bigger than noel and liam right now. This way noel could write his usual anthemic rock but only to be sung by Ashcroft, imagine the likes of EOTR! (Black and white sunshine too, TMWBTM chorus sung by mr ashcroft. Id probably lose my head but I think this could be the best case scenario rn I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think a collaboration between two control freaks is a recipe for disaster. I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think Richard Ashcroft is massively overrated. Although saying that, his solo songs and Noel’s do have a lot in common but I’d better not go there... |
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Post by sfsorrow on May 24, 2019 8:20:56 GMT -5
I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think a collaboration between two control freaks is a recipe for disaster. I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think Richard Ashcroft is massively overrated. Although saying that, his solo songs and Noel’s do have a lot in common but I’d better not go there... To be perfectly honest, I haven't listened to anything Ashcroft has done since his first solo album. |
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Post by bt95 on May 24, 2019 12:28:31 GMT -5
I’m sorry Noel, I love you, but you can’t release a middling disco track and then make the entire fanbase wait months for new songs. Not working. I’m more excited now for Liam’s full album, rather than having to wait for the next sleep-inducing “remix”. Nobody buys tickets to your show for the new material. I’m sorry but it’s true. Your management should have told you this. We just want to sing Live Forever with you and sing along to the Masterplan. No one is hoping black star dancing pops up in the set list. Sorry, but for 99% of fans, this is true people wanted a modern release method this is what it is |
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Post by matt on May 24, 2019 13:53:57 GMT -5
I’m sorry Noel, I love you, but you can’t release a middling disco track and then make the entire fanbase wait months for new songs. Not working. I’m more excited now for Liam’s full album, rather than having to wait for the next sleep-inducing “remix”. Nobody buys tickets to your show for the new material. I’m sorry but it’s true. Your management should have told you this. We just want to sing Live Forever with you and sing along to the Masterplan. No one is hoping black star dancing pops up in the set list. Sorry, but for 99% of fans, this is true A disco track is fine. A middling one is not however. And that’s Noel’s problem. Aside from Who Built The Moon, he’ll dabble but never do something out of the ordinary. Middling rock or middling disco - it’s all the same to me, quite dull. With a partner in David Holmes he sounds reinvigorated. On his own or with ‘yes men’ like Dave Sardy who indulge his conservatism and complacencies, he just reverts to type. I’m of the opinion that very rarely is there one artist who can do it all on their own. It’s fine to work on your own for your Kate Bushs, Springsteens or Dylans but they are the exception. Noel needs a creative muse to get him out his comfort zone. He’s at that stage where he needs to do that. Liam’s an different entity, he’s got professional songwriters with him and they’ll know what tunes to provide him with. Noel on the other hand really needs to cement his reputation as the brains behind Oasis by doing something different and exciting. It’s not for the sake of it either, as we’ve got plenty of examples of him stepping outside his comfort zone with the results more often than not being brilliant. Stick in his comfort zone and we’ll just continue to get dreck like Lock All The Doors. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 24, 2019 14:03:30 GMT -5
Only 800,000 streams after 2 weeks. Shitty. That is only $3,200 from streaming. Are you just counting Spotify streams there? Because, if so, what about Apple Music? That’s where I’ve been listening to it—along with a fair few other live4ever members, I’d imagine. I’m not surprised, though. I don’t think it’s a bad song necessarily, but it’s shit as a conventional single. |
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Post by spaneli on May 24, 2019 14:22:56 GMT -5
I’m sorry Noel, I love you, but you can’t release a middling disco track and then make the entire fanbase wait months for new songs. Not working. I’m more excited now for Liam’s full album, rather than having to wait for the next sleep-inducing “remix”. Nobody buys tickets to your show for the new material. I’m sorry but it’s true. Your management should have told you this. We just want to sing Live Forever with you and sing along to the Masterplan. No one is hoping black star dancing pops up in the set list. Sorry, but for 99% of fans, this is true A disco track is fine. A middling one is not however. And that’s Noel’s problem. Aside from Who Built The Moon, he’ll dabble but never do something out of the ordinary. Middling rock or middling disco - it’s all the same to me, quite dull. With a partner in David Holmes he sounds reinvigorated. On his own or with ‘yes men’ like Dave Sardy who indulge his conservatism and complacencies, he just reverts to type. I’m of the opinion that very rarely is there one artist who can do it all on their own. It’s fine to work on your own for your Kate Bushs, Springsteens or Dylans but they are the exception. Noel needs a creative muse to get him out his comfort zone. He’s at that stage where he needs to do that. Liam’s an different entity, he’s got professional songwriters with him and they’ll know what tunes to provide him with. N oel on the other hand really needs to cement his reputation as the brains behind Oasis by doing something different and exciting. It’s not for the sake of it either, as we’ve got plenty of examples of him stepping outside his comfort zone with the results more often than not being brilliant. Stick in his comfort zone and we’ll just continue to get dreck like Lock All The Doors. Does he? I don't think there's anything he could do where people wouldn't think he was the brains behind Oasis. |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 24, 2019 14:35:00 GMT -5
I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think Richard Ashcroft is massively overrated. Although saying that, his solo songs and Noel’s do have a lot in common but I’d better not go there... To be perfectly honest, I haven't listened to anything Ashcroft has done since his first solo album. You’re not missing much. |
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Post by matt on May 24, 2019 14:52:30 GMT -5
A disco track is fine. A middling one is not however. And that’s Noel’s problem. Aside from Who Built The Moon, he’ll dabble but never do something out of the ordinary. Middling rock or middling disco - it’s all the same to me, quite dull. With a partner in David Holmes he sounds reinvigorated. On his own or with ‘yes men’ like Dave Sardy who indulge his conservatism and complacencies, he just reverts to type. I’m of the opinion that very rarely is there one artist who can do it all on their own. It’s fine to work on your own for your Kate Bushs, Springsteens or Dylans but they are the exception. Noel needs a creative muse to get him out his comfort zone. He’s at that stage where he needs to do that. Liam’s an different entity, he’s got professional songwriters with him and they’ll know what tunes to provide him with. N oel on the other hand really needs to cement his reputation as the brains behind Oasis by doing something different and exciting. It’s not for the sake of it either, as we’ve got plenty of examples of him stepping outside his comfort zone with the results more often than not being brilliant. Stick in his comfort zone and we’ll just continue to get dreck like Lock All The Doors. Does he? I don't think there's anything he could do where people wouldn't think he was the brains behind Oasis. Didn’t mean it like that more so that he needs to prove that he’s still the talented guy who took them to the stratosphere. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 24, 2019 14:58:03 GMT -5
Only 800,000 streams after 2 weeks. Shitty. That is only $3,200 from streaming. Are you just counting Spotify streams there? Because, if so, what about Apple Music? That’s where I’ve been listening to it—along with a fair few other live4ever members, I’d imagine. I’m not surprised, though. I don’t think it’s a bad song necessarily, but it’s shit as a conventional single. Don’t know much about Apple Music. Not a member. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2019 15:44:48 GMT -5
It's not really worthy of a single. It's decent filler in an album nothing more.
Must do better Noel.
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Post by Gas Panic on May 24, 2019 15:58:54 GMT -5
It's not really worthy of a single. It's decent filler in an album nothing more. Must do better Noel. In The Heat Of The Moment's anemic cousin. Very little to get excited about. The people rating it highly are kidding themselves in my opinion. I much prefer many of Noels obvious throwaway songs like Sittin Here In Silence and Leave My Guitar Alone. |
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Post by jazamora93 on May 25, 2019 12:10:38 GMT -5
I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think a collaboration between two control freaks is a recipe for disaster. I say this with a great deal of respect for both of them but I think Richard Ashcroft is massively overrated. Although saying that, his solo songs and Noel’s do have a lot in common but I’d better not go there... Richard ashcroft's voice is what propels noel's songs to another level. This could potentially be bigger than late-oasis, if you think about it..Noel rock songs + Ashcroft's voice= massive potential |
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