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Post by andymorris on Jun 11, 2024 10:11:34 GMT -5
part deux
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Post by mossy on Jun 11, 2024 10:24:20 GMT -5
So weird these are being released now. They’re over a year late! Should’ve been dripped out before the album as part of the promo. Amateurs!
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Post by neila83 on Jun 11, 2024 11:32:31 GMT -5
Found part 2 much more interesting, and while I really like the album, dear lord it shows how much the mixing let's it down. Where is all this raw guitar that was apparently recorded? If open the door sounded like the guitar being recorded here, then yes, it might move towards the stadium rock it was hailed as.
I don't get it, Noel likes guitars, it seems he likes getting some fairly raw even punky guitar tracks laid down. So where the hell are they on the album? Why does it end up so tame? Why bother recording all this and then hiding it, it's weird. Pretty boy is the main exception where he let's the guitar shine. I'm going to give it a listen now and look for how buried a lot of this is. Such a shame. Not sure why he does it. I like the album, but it could have been so much better with less polishing.
Interesting to see him work with the other musicians here and happy to take their ideas on, Gem obviously came up with that part for INGOT.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 11, 2024 13:58:01 GMT -5
So weird these are being released now. They’re over a year late! Should’ve been dripped out before the album as part of the promo. Amateurs! Was the album and tour successfull ? Judging by the fewer and fewer talks on here Noel’s fan base seem to care less and less. So they maybe trying to get him back on the map surfing on the DM tour and Anniversary. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 11, 2024 16:50:47 GMT -5
Found part 2 much more interesting, and while I really like the album, dear lord it shows how much the mixing let's it down. Where is all this raw guitar that was apparently recorded? If open the door sounded like the guitar being recorded here, then yes, it might move towards the stadium rock it was hailed as. I don't get it, Noel likes guitars, it seems he likes getting some fairly raw even punky guitar tracks laid down. So where the hell are they on the album? Why does it end up so tame? Why bother recording all this and then hiding it, it's weird. Pretty boy is the main exception where he let's the guitar shine. I'm going to give it a listen now and look for how buried a lot of this is. Such a shame. Not sure why he does it. I like the album, but it could have been so much better with less polishing. Interesting to see him work with the other musicians here and happy to take their ideas on, Gem obviously came up with that part for INGOT. I’ve often said that since Be Here Now, who stole Noel’s guitar solo sound? It literally disappeared. He had a distinct style and sound. Did the Be Here Now backlash on all the guitars to 11 and dozens of them on each track scare him for almost 3 decades now? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 11, 2024 16:55:56 GMT -5
So weird these are being released now. They’re over a year late! Should’ve been dripped out before the album as part of the promo. Amateurs! Was the album and tour successfull ? Judging by the fewer and fewer talks on here Noel’s fan base seem to care less and less. So they maybe trying to get him back on the map surfing on the DM tour and Anniversary. The big difference is Liam is extremely active the last 3-4 years. He’s constantly cooking up something for the fans, albums, live albums, EPs, tours, anniversary tours, collaborations, etc. Noel isn’t really doing any of that sadly. I wouldn’t expect any grand change either at this point. He will be 60 next time an album comes out. He’s now on the back slope. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 12, 2024 2:17:42 GMT -5
Was the album and tour successfull ? Judging by the fewer and fewer talks on here Noel’s fan base seem to care less and less. So they maybe trying to get him back on the map surfing on the DM tour and Anniversary. The big difference is Liam is extremely active the last 3-4 years. He’s constantly cooking up something for the fans, albums, live albums, EPs, tours, anniversary tours, collaborations, etc. Noel isn’t really doing any of that sadly. I wouldn’t expect any grand change either at this point. He will be 60 next time an album comes out. He’s now on the back slope. Been saying that for years. Noel toured too much and didn't release enough records (which is the real legacy) in his last "prime" days in his 50s. there should have been a record in 2011, then 2013, 2015 and 2017. He had the songs... As you say, its now a bit too late. Maybe one last good album. but i kinda lost faith. |
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Post by naruosaka on Jun 12, 2024 3:08:00 GMT -5
Was the album and tour successfull ? Judging by the fewer and fewer talks on here Noel’s fan base seem to care less and less. So they maybe trying to get him back on the map surfing on the DM tour and Anniversary. The big difference is Liam is extremely active the last 3-4 years. He’s constantly cooking up something for the fans, albums, live albums, EPs, tours, anniversary tours, collaborations, etc. Noel isn’t really doing any of that sadly. I wouldn’t expect any grand change either at this point. He will be 60 next time an album comes out. He’s now on the back slope. He his making a lot of collaborations (4 already in 2024) , podcast, touring every summer, interviews, a new song every 31th december, he his behind the oasis stuff ...he's done the Royal Albert Hall this year, gigs this summer, he was on stage with the Black Keys, and he's making a new album for 2026. He's not doing live album, but a lot of NGHFB gigs are officially filmed and being shared. Just for last year : a big one Wythenshawe, or all the free ones (Paris, Dusseldorf, Bournemouth, ... and we're waiting for Basel). He actually giving for free the council skyes documentary. So for sure, he's not as commercial as Liam's brand. |
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Post by vera000 on Jun 12, 2024 3:08:52 GMT -5
I would like Noel to release an acoustic album, unplugged, live album. As for collaboration, it depends with whom  I don't need a nightmare like "Just another rainbow" |
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Post by freddy838 on Jun 12, 2024 3:46:16 GMT -5
Found part 2 much more interesting, and while I really like the album, dear lord it shows how much the mixing let's it down. Where is all this raw guitar that was apparently recorded? If open the door sounded like the guitar being recorded here, then yes, it might move towards the stadium rock it was hailed as. I don't get it, Noel likes guitars, it seems he likes getting some fairly raw even punky guitar tracks laid down. So where the hell are they on the album? Why does it end up so tame? Why bother recording all this and then hiding it, it's weird. Pretty boy is the main exception where he let's the guitar shine. I'm going to give it a listen now and look for how buried a lot of this is. Such a shame. Not sure why he does it. I like the album, but it could have been so much better with less polishing. Interesting to see him work with the other musicians here and happy to take their ideas on, Gem obviously came up with that part for INGOT. I’ve often said that since Be Here Now, who stole Noel’s guitar solo sound? It literally disappeared. He had a distinct style and sound. Did the Be Here Now backlash on all the guitars to 11 and dozens of them on each track scare him for almost 3 decades now? I'm not sure what year he met Strangeboy, he seems more likely to just delegate to him if the song needs a solo. It's hard to think it's anything more than laziness or he is lacking in confidence. |
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Post by The Chief on Jun 12, 2024 5:27:41 GMT -5
The big difference is Liam is extremely active the last 3-4 years. He’s constantly cooking up something for the fans, albums, live albums, EPs, tours, anniversary tours, collaborations, etc. Noel isn’t really doing any of that sadly. I wouldn’t expect any grand change either at this point. He will be 60 next time an album comes out. He’s now on the back slope. Been saying that for years. Noel toured too much and didn't release enough records (which is the real legacy) in his last "prime" days in his 50s. there should have been a record in 2011, then 2013, 2015 and 2017. He had the songs... As you say, its now a bit too late. Maybe one last good album. but i kinda lost faith. To be fair Noel's not been sitting on his arse in between releases and tours either. From 2017 onward, we've had new music every year. During the WBTM era in 2017/2018, the EPs in 2019/2020, We're gonna get there in the end (demo) at the end of 2020 and Back the Way We Came in 2021, Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone (demo) and Pretty Boy in 2022, nearly a new release every month until CS was released in 2023, In a little While (demo) and Love Will Tear us Apart (demo) at the end of 2023 and released as Magic Secret #2 in 2024. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 12, 2024 6:52:22 GMT -5
Been saying that for years. Noel toured too much and didn't release enough records (which is the real legacy) in his last "prime" days in his 50s. there should have been a record in 2011, then 2013, 2015 and 2017. He had the songs... As you say, its now a bit too late. Maybe one last good album. but i kinda lost faith. To be fair Noel's not been sitting on his arse in between releases and tours either. From 2017 onward, we've had new music every year. During the WBTM era in 2017/2018, the EPs in 2019/2020, We're gonna get there in the end (demo) at the end of 2020 and Back the Way We Came in 2021, Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone (demo) and Pretty Boy in 2022, nearly a new release every month until CS was released in 2023, In a little While (demo) and Love Will Tear us Apart (demo) at the end of 2023 and released as Magic Secret #2 in 2024. Its odds songs between 2020 and 2023, and the EP releases were draggggggging. It took one year to have them all. The calendar doesn't impress and doesn't feel busy, its mostly demos for odd songs and some of the EP songs are just recycled from other sessions. All in all he really recorded what 4 songs for them ? Back The Way We Came is a lazy best of with many instrumental and remixes, two old songs (probably) thrown in there as "new songs". Plus best of should always come in between release cycles, not in place of. Dont get me wrong, he's hard working... at touring, more than at recording. Oasis gave us such a hectic release schedule that we can just feel a bit forgotten... Right after NGHFB #1, there should have been a follow up in 2013, and Chasing Yesterday is a collage of different sessions that just does not make sense. 6 years between WBTM and CS is just too much when you're in your 50s. Especially when WBTM took 3/5 years or so to make. So that's 3 "real" records (not counting CY, its just not an album) in 12 years ! Its just a weird solo career. |
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Post by The Chief on Jun 12, 2024 8:22:06 GMT -5
To be fair Noel's not been sitting on his arse in between releases and tours either. From 2017 onward, we've had new music every year. During the WBTM era in 2017/2018, the EPs in 2019/2020, We're gonna get there in the end (demo) at the end of 2020 and Back the Way We Came in 2021, Trying To Find A World That's Been And Gone (demo) and Pretty Boy in 2022, nearly a new release every month until CS was released in 2023, In a little While (demo) and Love Will Tear us Apart (demo) at the end of 2023 and released as Magic Secret #2 in 2024. Its odds songs between 2020 and 2023, and the EP releases were draggggggging. It took one year to have them all. The calendar doesn't impress and doesn't feel busy, its mostly demos for odd songs and some of the EP songs are just recycled from other sessions. All in all he really recorded what 4 songs for them ? Back The Way We Came is a lazy best of with many instrumental and remixes, two old songs (probably) thrown in there as "new songs". Plus best of should always come in between release cycles, not in place of. Dont get me wrong, he's hard working... at touring, more than at recording. Oasis gave us such a hectic release schedule that we can just feel a bit forgotten... Right after NGHFB #1, there should have been a follow up in 2013, and Chasing Yesterday is a collage of different sessions that just does not make sense. 6 years between WBTM and CS is just too much when you're in your 50s. Especially when WBTM took 3/5 years or so to make. So that's 3 "real" records (not counting CY, its just not an album) in 12 years ! Its just a weird solo career. Yeah but it's also a weird era as far as releasing music is concerned. But I get what you mean it feels longer in between releases now. Saying that, Liam, bar his collab with John Squire, has only been releasing live records in between proper releases, so it's nothing new either. I personally prefer getting the odd new song or demo here and there than live records. I've bought none of Liam's live records. |
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Post by morning_rain on Jun 12, 2024 10:20:15 GMT -5
Right after NGHFB #1, there should have been a follow up in 2013, and Chasing Yesterday is a collage of different sessions that just does not make sense. 6 years between WBTM and CS is just too much when you're in your 50s. Especially when WBTM took 3/5 years or so to make. So that's 3 "real" records (not counting CY, its just not an album) in 12 years ! Its just a weird solo career. Of course I count CY as an album but you have a point. I was thinking earlier today that given the time that he takes between albums and how he seems to be getting lazier as time goes by I think maybe we'll have 4/5 more studio albums from him? It's a very sad thought but he doesn't seem the kind of artist that keeps putting albums out when he's 80. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 12, 2024 13:27:41 GMT -5
The big difference is Liam is extremely active the last 3-4 years. He’s constantly cooking up something for the fans, albums, live albums, EPs, tours, anniversary tours, collaborations, etc. Noel isn’t really doing any of that sadly. I wouldn’t expect any grand change either at this point. He will be 60 next time an album comes out. He’s now on the back slope. He his making a lot of collaborations (4 already in 2024) , podcast, touring every summer, interviews, a new song every 31th december, he his behind the oasis stuff ...he's done the Royal Albert Hall this year, gigs this summer, he was on stage with the Black Keys, and he's making a new album for 2026. He's not doing live album, but a lot of NGHFB gigs are officially filmed and being shared. Just for last year : a big one Wythenshawe, or all the free ones (Paris, Dusseldorf, Bournemouth, ... and we're waiting for Basel). He actually giving for free the council skyes documentary. So for sure, he's not as commercial as Liam's brand. I see what you are saying but the optics are not the same. Liam is flat out offering fans a better product. He's moving the needle. I'm in America. Touring with Garbage was not ideal for me. Not into their music and not into the shorter sets. Sure Noel did collaborate with the Black keys but he's not singing those songs as the lead. He's in the distant background sound. Liam made a record with Squire. Noel should make one with Marr!!! He created the "annual" record store day release but skipped the second year of its existence. He promised it would be place to fire out work in progress HFB songs as well as older Oasis material. That last bit hasn't transpired yet. It is also very lame of Noel to take his New Year's Eve gifts and then re-use them 4 months later for Record Store Day. He built his own studio so he could release music more frequently but again, 1 album in 4 years................... Noel could offer live albums. We know they shot the entire Abbey Road sessions, it was a killer setlist of 14+ songs but he's only commercially shared 2 tracks from it. That would have been a nice live album or Record Store Day offering. Giving us a documentary now for his album from a year ago is lame lame lame. That should have occurred a year ago. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 13, 2024 1:37:29 GMT -5
The big difference is that Noel is investing his own money every time he releases something. And that's kinda why it slowed down the releases and expanded tours.
His musical "freedom" is slowly becoming his burden. He doesnt want to take risks anymore because WBTM kinda failed.
As for the extra releases, he could easily release 5 songs for every record store day effortlessly. Just by giving away old demos and stuff. Its not hard work, that.
Noel is clearly being too careful about every new step.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 13, 2024 6:21:18 GMT -5
Part 2 of the documentary. Its a nice watch, but still same feeling, he's the only one in charge. There's no pushing. Might as well release his demos, they are always better.
Agreed with whoever said the sound sounds a bit more rockier before they mixed the whole thing. Especially Pretty Boy, which to my surprise had potential put like that. Council Skies sounded also a bit more fast and raw before Noel tried to make it as a song to go to sleep.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 13, 2024 6:37:39 GMT -5
I always thought Noel would be emboldened by collaborating but it seems to have had the opposite effect.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 13, 2024 6:47:14 GMT -5
Noel should also ditch all his "Safe blanket gear" for his acoustic guitars. He does not need effects, does not need to plug it into anything. That's when he started to get mellow and not in a good way.
Too many toys. A mic in front of strings and oof you go, that's acoustic.
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Post by Goosey on Jun 13, 2024 6:57:37 GMT -5
Paul Stacy should be receiving writing credits on every HFB song
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Post by andymorris on Jun 13, 2024 7:44:42 GMT -5
Paul Stacy should be receiving writing credits on every HFB song I get what you mean, but more like producing credits. But i bet the two have a contract, and he's being paid a salary. He's always there. |
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Post by niftium on Jun 13, 2024 8:43:51 GMT -5
Right after NGHFB #1, there should have been a follow up in 2013, and Chasing Yesterday is a collage of different sessions that just does not make sense. 6 years between WBTM and CS is just too much when you're in your 50s. Especially when WBTM took 3/5 years or so to make. So that's 3 "real" records (not counting CY, its just not an album) in 12 years ! Its just a weird solo career. Of course I count CY as an album but you have a point. I was thinking earlier today that given the time that he takes between albums and how he seems to be getting lazier as time goes by I think maybe we'll have 4/5 more studio albums from him? It's a very sad thought but he doesn't seem the kind of artist that keeps putting albums out when he's 80. Three more studio albums tops. He's gone on about that before, how he doesn't want to be doing this when he's old. He's hardly young anymore... |
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Post by The Chief on Jun 13, 2024 9:36:50 GMT -5
Paul Stacy should be receiving writing credits on every HFB song That's a whole rabbit hole in itself... |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jun 13, 2024 10:34:33 GMT -5
Of course I count CY as an album but you have a point. I was thinking earlier today that given the time that he takes between albums and how he seems to be getting lazier as time goes by I think maybe we'll have 4/5 more studio albums from him? It's a very sad thought but he doesn't seem the kind of artist that keeps putting albums out when he's 80. . He's gone on about that before, how he doesn't want to be doing this when he's old. He's hardly young anymore... Absolutely no chance we only get 3 more studio albums from Noel, the fact he's now built his own studio speaks to his willingness to create and release new music. Assuming his health doesn't rapidly deteriorate, I'm certain we'll get at least another half dozen, probably way more. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 13, 2024 11:57:11 GMT -5
Three more studio albums tops. He's gone on about that before, how he doesn't want to be doing this when he's old. He's hardly young anymore... Absolutely no chance we only get 3 more studio albums from Noel, the fact he's now built his own studio speaks to his willingness to create and release new music. Assuming his health doesn't rapidly deteriorate, I'm certain we'll get at least another half dozen, probably way more. At the speed he's releasing records now (every 4 years or so), that means he'll be 81 when the last ones comes out. Ain't Happening  |
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