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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 16, 2023 14:14:35 GMT -5
Arm chair quarterbacking and hindsight is 20/20, but my release strategy would have been to hold Easy Now until a month before June 2. Get that massive surge of Oasis fans to pre-order the album when approaching the last mile. Council Skies (the song) and Open the Door didn’t do much for sales in IMHO.
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Post by World71R on Jun 16, 2023 19:33:48 GMT -5
Arm chair quarterbacking and hindsight is 20/20, but my release strategy would have been to hold Easy Now until a month before June 2. Get that massive surge of Oasis fans to pre-order the album when approaching the last mile. Council Skies (the song) and Open the Door didn’t do much for sales in IMHO. That would've been cool. Drop Pretty Boy in February or March and announce the album, then Open the Door in April or May and Easy Now in the last leg. Then leave Dead in the Water for the full album, go tour and drop it as a single and play it and Easy Now at various radio stations. |
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Post by NicOasis on Jun 17, 2023 4:22:05 GMT -5
Noel does a Supersonic fakeout with Open The Door at some point right? Hes always liked teasing fans with a riff.
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Post by walkersafc on Jun 18, 2023 10:32:51 GMT -5
Really liked the album first time I heard it but must say i’ve grown bored of it pretty quick. Find myself just listening to INGUT , TOAN and Live Forever now. Don’t get me wrong I do like the album, i think it flows well. I just think it’s lacking an upbeat single. I think We’re Gonna Get There In The End should have been on it.
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Post by dadrocker on Jun 18, 2023 15:08:37 GMT -5
This is the playlist I've settled on for now:
1.INGUT
2.Flying on the Ground
3.Open the Door, See What You Find
4.We're Gonna Get There in the End
5.Trying to Find A World...
6.Dead to the World
7.Love is a Rich Man
8.Easy Now
9.Council Skies
10.Think of a Number
To me, Pretty Boy and Dead to the World stop the vibe of INGUT in its tracks. I personally don't understand the sequence of the original album. Maybe it's just me.
This playlist keeps the upbeat/summer vibe going all the way through until track 5 instead. Probably not for everyone, and clearly not the original intent, but this is what I'm going with from now on. If I never heard Pretty Boy again that'd be fine by me, which is why I held off from buying the vinyl despite the lovely blue color.
Dead to the World feels like a nice little reprieve in the middle of the album here, and for some reason it feels like a song that should be later into the album, and LIARM gets the vibe going again right after for the second half. The ending of Council Skies and the beginning of Think of a Number could easily be made to bleed into one another seamlessly.
Anyway, the power of streaming.
If it were up to me the album would have been announced with We're Gonna Get There as the first single, followed by Dead to the World, Open the Door, INGUT and then Easy Now right before release.
Just thinking about Council Skies being released as a single over INGUT does my head in. INGUT's chorus is constantly in my head. It's a huge ear worm. Weird choice.
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Post by carlober on Jun 18, 2023 15:42:59 GMT -5
I just can't seem to get into There She Blows! and Love Is a Rich Man. The former is a total rip-off of Homefront Cameo by Cotton Mather and the latter is a pastiche that doesn't quite work, it feels like three different songs put together. Thankfully though none of them is as bad as The Girl With the X-Ray Eyes... that one was a real dirge. There She Blows has grown on me. Still not a fan of Love Is a Rich Man though. |
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Post by The Chief on Jun 19, 2023 6:31:33 GMT -5
Been listening to it on loop for the past 2 weeks. I still think it's not his best but I do like it a lot now. Dead to the World is the best thing he's done, to me anyway. There She Blows, Open the Door and Love is a Rich Man have grown on me. I absolutely love Think of a Number which is the second best song on the record and I love what he did with Don't Stop and We're gonna get there in the end.
Songs I love:
- Dead to the World
- Think of a Number
Songs I like (in order of preference):
- There She Blows!
- Council Skies
- Trying to find a World that's been and gone
- Pretty Boy
- Love is a rich man
- Open The Door See What You Find
- Easy Now
Songs that are meh:
- I'm not giving up tonight
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Post by norkbauer on Jun 19, 2023 9:58:58 GMT -5
Not really. I'm dying for the new Avenged Sevenfold record  So what did you think of Sophie… uh, sorry, Avenged Sevenfold’s album? 🐱 I think it's brilliant. So good to see them doing the music they really want, not just an generic heavy metal/hard rock album like they did in 2010/2013. You'd never expect to listen a track influenced by Daft Punk on an Avenged Sevenfold record. |
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Post by yogurt on Jun 20, 2023 6:10:45 GMT -5
Sales don't matter, but Noel would be the first to post about getting another #1 if it happened. Anyway, hopefully this ends his management's use of the delayed release strategy. It's one thing if it led to a #1 but once it stops working, it's time to move on. For me personally, a surprise release of "Dead To The World" with an onslaught of press and the album out a week later would've been a much better move. I think people are over thinking it.. All that's happened is a bigger act released an album on the same day. If Noel releases it another week with exactly the same strategy, he sells pretty much the same amount of albums and goes to number 1. I don't see Noel gaining a load of new fans at this stage, even young people getting into Oasis are unlikely to buy a Noel Gallagher on release day, it's not really like that these days. The people buying a Noel album last week will be pretty much the same people who bought the last one and the same people that buy the next one. That's pretty much the case for artists heading to 60 years old and have been around for decades. I don't think any different strategy apart from different release date would make a huge difference to sales. I think he just sells what he sells to his captured audience at this point and he will get to number 1 unless he comes up against someone as big as Foo Fighters. |
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Post by garylineker on Jun 20, 2023 20:03:46 GMT -5
Completely understand the posts about Noel not caring about charts. That's pretty evident. But my god it would have been so easy for this to chart at No.1
When HFB first came out he was essentially filling the Oasis void. Oasis style album, half Oasis Set and the results were instantly Arenas and an album that sold as well as any Oasis album would have at the time. He shown he can do all that, and it clearly wasn't for him.
I respect it. But at times it all verges on self sabotage for me. Stuff like playing 6 Oasis songs and mainly HFB songs for the last arena tour was admirable but it means no sold out shows and a lot of boredom for what will be a crowd with a lot of casual fans.
The same applies for the albums. You can be laid back about your approach to marketing but at least have a decent tactic to carry te streak on. Sign a few more albums, give your main song an outing live on the major talk shows the week before release etc. It's almost like actively going out the way to reduce potential sales.
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Post by bt95 on Jun 21, 2023 10:04:30 GMT -5
Completely understand the posts about Noel not caring about charts. That's pretty evident. But my god it would have been so easy for this to chart at No.1 When HFB first came out he was essentially filling the Oasis void. Oasis style album, half Oasis Set and the results were instantly Arenas and an album that sold as well as any Oasis album would have at the time. He shown he can do all that, and it clearly wasn't for him. I respect it. But at times it all verges on self sabotage for me. Stuff like playing 6 Oasis songs and mainly HFB songs for the last arena tour was admirable but it means no sold out shows and a lot of boredom for what will be a crowd with a lot of casual fans. The same applies for the albums. You can be laid back about your approach to marketing but at least have a decent tactic to carry te streak on. Sign a few more albums, give your main song an outing live on the major talk shows the week before release etc. It's almost like actively going out the way to reduce potential sales. Pretty sure there were more than 6 Oasis songs but the set now - and he keeps saying this - will be/is half and half. By the time he tours in the UK later in the year, it'll be 20/21 songs and 9/10 will be Oasis. As for marketing, it'll be his management who control it all. Demand also has to be there. As for major talk shows, are any even on atm in the UK? I mean I don't watch any regardless but the series usually run spring and autumn. IMO they went with too long of a lead time and it lost momentum a tad, and went up against a huge band that had a bit of extra momentum with the death of Taylor. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 21, 2023 10:46:08 GMT -5
It annoys me that Fantano reviewed the Foo Fighters album, but has not bothered to spotlight Noel.
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Post by garylineker on Jun 21, 2023 15:34:26 GMT -5
Completely understand the posts about Noel not caring about charts. That's pretty evident. But my god it would have been so easy for this to chart at No.1 When HFB first came out he was essentially filling the Oasis void. Oasis style album, half Oasis Set and the results were instantly Arenas and an album that sold as well as any Oasis album would have at the time. He shown he can do all that, and it clearly wasn't for him. I respect it. But at times it all verges on self sabotage for me. Stuff like playing 6 Oasis songs and mainly HFB songs for the last arena tour was admirable but it means no sold out shows and a lot of boredom for what will be a crowd with a lot of casual fans. The same applies for the albums. You can be laid back about your approach to marketing but at least have a decent tactic to carry te streak on. Sign a few more albums, give your main song an outing live on the major talk shows the week before release etc. It's almost like actively going out the way to reduce potential sales. Pretty sure there were more than 6 Oasis songs but the set now - and he keeps saying this - will be/is half and half. By the time he tours in the UK later in the year, it'll be 20/21 songs and 9/10 will be Oasis. As for marketing, it'll be his management who control it all. Demand also has to be there. As for major talk shows, are any even on atm in the UK? I mean I don't watch any regardless but the series usually run spring and autumn. IMO they went with too long of a lead time and it lost momentum a tad, and went up against a huge band that had a bit of extra momentum with the death of Taylor. On the Who Built The Moon tour he did 6 Oasis songs. He was very much trying to go down the Weller route. He's doing half half at festivals. He's always done that. I still find it utterly bizarre that he doesn't mix up the HFB and Oasis songs and by his own admission leaves everyone stood in silence for the first half. He will do more Oasis songs, but i don't think it'll be half. Jonathan Ross Show has just come back. Could easily have played live on One Show. Should have done another special on Sky Arts. There's plenty he could have done. I think just about anything would have been better than a joint tour in USA in half full venues where everyone looks bored shitless. Foo Fighters sales were only 500 more than Noel with all of Noel's pretty poor marketing. I think a bit of a better strategy and he walks no.1 |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 21, 2023 16:29:31 GMT -5
Pretty sure there were more than 6 Oasis songs but the set now - and he keeps saying this - will be/is half and half. By the time he tours in the UK later in the year, it'll be 20/21 songs and 9/10 will be Oasis. As for marketing, it'll be his management who control it all. Demand also has to be there. As for major talk shows, are any even on atm in the UK? I mean I don't watch any regardless but the series usually run spring and autumn. IMO they went with too long of a lead time and it lost momentum a tad, and went up against a huge band that had a bit of extra momentum with the death of Taylor. On the Who Built The Moon tour he did 6 Oasis songs. He was very much trying to go down the Weller route. He's doing half half at festivals. He's always done that. I still find it utterly bizarre that he doesn't mix up the HFB and Oasis songs and by his own admission leaves everyone stood in silence for the first half. He will do more Oasis songs, but i don't think it'll be half. Jonathan Ross Show has just come back. Could easily have played live on One Show. Should have done another special on Sky Arts. There's plenty he could have done. I think just about anything would have been better than a joint tour in USA in half full venues where everyone looks bored shitless. Foo Fighters sales were only 500 more than Noel with all of Noel's pretty poor marketing. I think a bit of a better strategy and he walks no.1 500? Noel lost by more than 5,000. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Jun 21, 2023 17:25:51 GMT -5
Anyone got the HMV cover in decent res?
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Post by theunderclass on Jun 21, 2023 23:44:44 GMT -5
Anyone got the HMV cover in decent res? It would be good to grab it if anyone does, will make a good cover in my iTunes for the bonus tracks. 😊 |
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Post by supertronic on Jun 22, 2023 1:51:00 GMT -5
Anyone got the HMV cover in decent res? It would be good to grab it if anyone does, will make a good cover in my iTunes for the bonus tracks. 😊 Someone did post their scan, but it's probably 50 pages back by now |
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Post by supertronic on Jun 22, 2023 1:52:13 GMT -5
[/quote]  Not really high res... but this is the best I could get:  [/quote] |
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Post by GlastoEls on Jun 22, 2023 4:39:58 GMT -5
Not really high res... but this is the best I could get: [/quote] [/quote] Thank you!
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 22, 2023 4:54:46 GMT -5
Still loveing this album.
My favourite songs are:
There She Blows!
Dead To The World
Think Of A Number
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Post by Baltra on Jun 22, 2023 5:05:09 GMT -5
Not really high res... but this is the best I could get: Thanks for posting. Do you (or anybody else) have the backside with Noel on it in a good resolution? I love this album I think it's Noel's best. My top 3: 1. There She Blows! 2. Council Skies 3. I'm Not Giving Up Tonight |
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Post by dadrocker on Jun 22, 2023 8:56:40 GMT -5
Interesting to see the love for There She Blows! Would be interesting to see him play it live.
I'd say my Top 3 right now are:
1.Open the Door, See What You Find (and it's warm outside, after all. Also I just love that persistent strumming of the A opening up into the lovely G-D-A with the strings. *chefs kiss*)
2.I'm Not Giving Up Tonight (chorus doesn't leave my head)
3.Love Is a Rich Man (summer again)
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Post by bt95 on Jun 22, 2023 9:39:49 GMT -5
Pretty sure there were more than 6 Oasis songs but the set now - and he keeps saying this - will be/is half and half. By the time he tours in the UK later in the year, it'll be 20/21 songs and 9/10 will be Oasis. As for marketing, it'll be his management who control it all. Demand also has to be there. As for major talk shows, are any even on atm in the UK? I mean I don't watch any regardless but the series usually run spring and autumn. IMO they went with too long of a lead time and it lost momentum a tad, and went up against a huge band that had a bit of extra momentum with the death of Taylor. On the Who Built The Moon tour he did 6 Oasis songs. He was very much trying to go down the Weller route. He's doing half half at festivals. He's always done that. I still find it utterly bizarre that he doesn't mix up the HFB and Oasis songs and by his own admission leaves everyone stood in silence for the first half. He will do more Oasis songs, but i don't think it'll be half. Jonathan Ross Show has just come back. Could easily have played live on One Show. Should have done another special on Sky Arts. There's plenty he could have done. I think just about anything would have been better than a joint tour in USA in half full venues where everyone looks bored shitless. Foo Fighters sales were only 500 more than Noel with all of Noel's pretty poor marketing. I think a bit of a better strategy and he walks no.1 I saw him in Halifax last year (not a festival) and it was half and half. He's already said he's sticking with the half and half for this tour. Yes, it might not be exactly 11 of a 22 song set, but 9/10 generally speaking will be Oasis. His tour atm is 6 Oasis songs in a 14-song set, 1 cover and 7 HFB. It's not a bad mix. I too would prefer to integrate them in but having been at 2 shows now where he has done the half and half approach (first in 2019 and then last year) they actually do work better IMO because it builds up. But I loved WBTM so loved hearing those songs. Oh a special on Sky Arts and all that, sure. But ultimately the 500 difference was just down to little things and I'm not sure anyone who would have stumbled on a Sky Arts special - as cool as it would be to see - wouldn't have already had got the album. IMO they shouldn't have put Pretty Boy out last year. That should have been done in Jan (as Noel insisted it was gonna be the lead single) and then they could have gone Easy Now in late March/early April. That would probably have given it a bit more momentum with radio plays, casual fans etc. The lead time was just way too long for an artist of Noel's age. He's not a 'contemporary' act and dropping 6 songs before the album's released was just daft, especially in a 8/9-month timeframe. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 22, 2023 12:07:44 GMT -5
Interesting to see the love for There She Blows! Would be interesting to see him play it live. There's really something so angelic about those opening lines. Noel called it nautical nonsense. But it painted a beautiful picture in my mind. |
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Jun 22, 2023 14:26:20 GMT -5
Interesting to see the love for There She Blows! Would be interesting to see him play it live. There's really something so angelic about those opening lines. Noel called it nautical nonsense. But it painted a beautiful picture in my mind. I absolutely love it. The melody and the drums are intoxicating, can't stop listening to it |
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