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Post by lubeck on Jun 9, 2023 16:18:09 GMT -5
FF always struck me as a singles band. I admit to liking a lot of their singles but if you listen to any of their albums after the great first one it all just kind of comes and goes in a middling, uninteresting, forgettable kind of way. They're like everyone's 20th favorite band and enjoy when they come on the radio, maybe they'll buy a gig ticket if they come to town but I wouldn't have thought many would rush to buy their new album. Does anyone know anyone who's favorite band is Foo Fighters? I've never met anyone, everyone likes them but nobody loves them as far as I can tell. I'm sure they exist but I'm surprised they're outperforming Noel this time. I know personally that I'll check out their singles at some point but I have no desire to listen to the album through because I know I'll get bored. Like I said I don't care about how Noel charts but I thought he'd win this one easily as I would have thought his fanbase is generally more enthusiastic and older therefore more likely to actually buy the album. I get why they'd outsell him in the US but in the UK I'd have thought he was much more popular. Just like The Killers, Foo Fighters are huge in the UK. One of of life's mysteries, in both cases...  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 9, 2023 16:19:45 GMT -5
FF always struck me as a singles band. I admit to liking a lot of their singles but if you listen to any of their albums after the great first one it all just kind of comes and goes in a middling, uninteresting, forgettable kind of way. They're like everyone's 20th favorite band and enjoy when they come on the radio, maybe they'll buy a gig ticket if they come to town but I wouldn't have thought many would rush to buy their new album. Does anyone know anyone who's favorite band is Foo Fighters? I've never met anyone, everyone likes them but nobody loves them as far as I can tell. I'm sure they exist but I'm surprised they're outperforming Noel this time. I know personally that I'll check out their singles at some point but I have no desire to listen to the album through because I know I'll get bored. Like I said I don't care about how Noel charts but I thought he'd win this one easily as I would have thought his fanbase is generally more enthusiastic and older therefore more likely to actually buy the album. I get why they'd outsell him in the US but in the UK I'd have thought he was much more popular. I think that’s a fair point. So many people like their songs but I don’t actually know any Foo fans that live and die with them. Same thing with a band like Nickelback. They sold millions upon millions upon millions of records and have the most streamed song of the 2010-2020 era but I’ve never met a fan. |
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Post by spaneli on Jun 9, 2023 16:30:05 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, management took a lot of wrong decisions but in the end Noel was less than 400 copies shy of 40k, those are big numbers in 2023 This was more a case of FF doing well than him failing Should they have tried harder once they knew a battle was on instead of making desperate moves on a thursday morning? Probably, but they're still a small label working with a 56 years old artist, we shouldn't take anything for granted My biggest frustration is that this album was done well over 6 months ago, too many singles got released beforehand alongside the already known tracks and there was no reason to start in the States where High Flying Birds just aren't very big. It should have been out much sooner and after two banging singles were released. If this was out in March one month after Dead To The World and Think Of A Number were recently released and if he was booked in for some UK shows to follow it up the hype would have been massive and pre-orders would have been much higher. Don't get me wrong I couldn't care less about chart performance. If Noel get's a no.1 or something that doesn't chart I couldn't care less, but I have to admit i've been frustrated by the release strategy. Thinking about it a bit though I think maybe I and others were being a bit harsh on 'management'. Noel is and has always been the boss in every group or project he's been involved with so these were likely all his decisions. Noel doesn't strike me as someone who lets anyone make any decision for him and a 55 year old man isn't likely to know or care much about any of this. I think I've just typed myself out of my own original point haha. Noel is who he is and isn't going to change. To be fair, the primary reason Noel's sales total is so high is because he had six month to build up those sales. There's no guarantee that his sales would've been this high had he went with a shorter release window. Also, I honestly don't think the general public or even casual fans had heard the demoes we'd heard before the album dropped. Most probably only heard the singles. So it's also a misnomer to make the argument that there were too many singles relative to the known tracks. We have to remember that we're a rabid, vocal minority of Noel's fanbase. And that a casual isn't approaching the music with the same knowledge or urgency we are. That's what makes them a casual fan. I think Noel's management took the best course they could. They wanted to make sure he had a high sales total so they took a longer runway to build that up. They also wanted to make sure he could come to America without breaking the bank and a co-headlining tour with Garbage made the most temporal and sonic sense. So they took the trip to America and tried to cover their bases with the long runway. It just didn't work. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jun 9, 2023 16:42:16 GMT -5
FF always struck me as a singles band. I admit to liking a lot of their singles but if you listen to any of their albums after the great first one it all just kind of comes and goes in a middling, uninteresting, forgettable kind of way. They're like everyone's 20th favorite band and enjoy when they come on the radio, maybe they'll buy a gig ticket if they come to town but I wouldn't have thought many would rush to buy their new album. Does anyone know anyone who's favorite band is Foo Fighters? I've never met anyone, everyone likes them but nobody loves them as far as I can tell. I'm sure they exist but I'm surprised they're outperforming Noel this time. I know personally that I'll check out their singles at some point but I have no desire to listen to the album through because I know I'll get bored. Like I said I don't care about how Noel charts but I thought he'd win this one easily as I would have thought his fanbase is generally more enthusiastic and older therefore more likely to actually buy the album. I get why they'd outsell him in the US but in the UK I'd have thought he was much more popular. Everlong is brilliant. Love that song. Everything else is a bit meh. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 16:53:32 GMT -5
I've got a soft spot for Best of You too, although it seems to go on for ages
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Post by fabulousbakers on Jun 9, 2023 17:04:48 GMT -5
Well if fans are buying multiple copies that's their choice to do so. I bought the 2CD deluxe version because most of the tracks are on that. I'n not buying the Japanese release for one bonus track (that should also have been on the 2CD deluxe version) and I don't have a turntable so I'm not wasting my money on any tracks exclusive to vinyl. In fact truth be told I download all Noel and Liam's music now via mp3 from "elsewhere" and first heard Noel's album that way. The deluxe CD I bought directly from his website will probably never actually get played or ripped. And this is why streaming services can get away with paying artists so little. The alternative is nothing. This is the real reason sales are so low and fans get ripped off by all these multiple versions. You’re the problem baker! 😂 I don't stream any music. If I didn't find it "elswehere" I'd rip the deluxe CD myself and make my own mp3s. I only sourced it "elsewhere" first so I didn't have to wait for the CD to arrive in the mail (and in fact I'm still waiting despite pre-ordering). Noel released a new album. I bought it directly from his store. I've purchased every album released by Oasis, Noel and Liam. How am I "a problem"? |
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Post by mossy on Jun 9, 2023 17:09:38 GMT -5
And this is why streaming services can get away with paying artists so little. The alternative is nothing. This is the real reason sales are so low and fans get ripped off by all these multiple versions. You’re the problem baker! 😂 I don't stream any music. If I didn't find it "elswehere" I'd rip the deluxe CD myself and make my own mp3s. Noel released a new album. I bought it directly from his store. I've purchased every album released by Oasis, Noel and Liam. How am I a "problem"? It was a joke 🙃 Don’t worry, I don’t hold you personally responsible for the decimation of the music industry. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 9, 2023 17:14:13 GMT -5
That chart battle was like two grandmas chasing each other in the street
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Post by chamu on Jun 9, 2023 17:33:18 GMT -5
1 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - WBTM 77,853 - 72,988 physical (12809 vinyl) 4,835 streaming
01 70,261 Liam Gallagher - C'MON YOU KNOW [32,797 CDs, 29,558 vinyls, 659 cassettes, 3,096 downloads, 4,151 streaming]
02 39,642 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - Council Skies [15,613 CDs, 14,209 vinyl, 1,401 cassettes, 5,023 downloads, 3,396 streaming]
I think this are good numbers for council skies nowadays. But not great. Under performing in vinyl. I'd bet for around 20-25k in vinyl given 5k was only on the blood records variant and 1k in the signed one.
It will be a long way until this be certified as gold (100k unit sold)
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 17:38:28 GMT -5
1 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - WBTM 77,853 - 72,988 physical (12809 vinyl) 4,835 streaming 01 70,261 Liam Gallagher - C'MON YOU KNOW [32,797 CDs, 29,558 vinyls, 659 cassettes, 3,096 downloads, 4,151 streaming] 02 39,642 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - Council Skies [15,613 CDs, 14,209 vinyl, 1,401 cassettes, 5,023 downloads, 3,396 streaming] I think this are good numbers for council skies nowadays. But not great. Under performing in vinyl. I'd bet for around 20-25k in vinyl given 5k was only on the blood records variant and 1k in the signed one. It will be a long way until this be certified as gold (100k unit sold) He needs some good promo when he starts the tour in the UK |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 9, 2023 17:43:00 GMT -5
I don't stream any music. If I didn't find it "elswehere" I'd rip the deluxe CD myself and make my own mp3s. Noel released a new album. I bought it directly from his store. I've purchased every album released by Oasis, Noel and Liam. How am I a "problem"? It was a joke 🙃 You wouldn't download a car, wouldn't you? |
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Post by mossy on Jun 9, 2023 17:45:36 GMT -5
1 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - WBTM 77,853 - 72,988 physical (12809 vinyl) 4,835 streaming 01 70,261 Liam Gallagher - C'MON YOU KNOW [32,797 CDs, 29,558 vinyls, 659 cassettes, 3,096 downloads, 4,151 streaming] 02 39,642 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds - Council Skies [15,613 CDs, 14,209 vinyl, 1,401 cassettes, 5,023 downloads, 3,396 streaming] I think this are good numbers for council skies nowadays. But not great. Under performing in vinyl. I'd bet for around 20-25k in vinyl given 5k was only on the blood records variant and 1k in the signed one. It will be a long way until this be certified as gold (100k unit sold) Hopefully he learns some lessons from all this and makes WBTM2 next to recapture his former commercial glories 🌚 |
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Post by theunderclass on Jun 9, 2023 17:45:40 GMT -5
39 for Noel in New Zealand … Foo Fighters number 1. Liam got 9 with C’mon You Know, so that’s not a great result for Noel. |
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Post by megyesitomate on Jun 9, 2023 17:54:02 GMT -5
Great job. BE by Beady Eye debuted at #2 as well.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 18:20:24 GMT -5
#18 in Italy, FF at #15
(#4 in vinyls, FF at #5)
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Post by glider on Jun 9, 2023 19:38:23 GMT -5
A lot of salt in this thread for whatever reason but well deserved for the Foo Fighters, simply for having clearly better management and logistics. This album should've been released last fall, just like Moon was in 2017. Holy Mountain dropped a month before the album and then off to the races. Years of horrific management by Ignition has finally caught up to Noel and ruined what should've been an intact streak, and to boot gerrymandered with crap like NFTs and access to half a documentary for hundreds of dollars. With Moon, it was a quick single drop, then a month later, the album. And it wildly successful, especially considering Liam dropped around the same time as well.
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jun 9, 2023 19:49:28 GMT -5
A lot of salt in this thread for whatever reason but well deserved for the Foo Fighters, simply for having clearly better management and logistics. This album should've been released last fall, just like Moon was in 2017. Holy Mountain dropped a month before the album and then off to the races. Years of horrific management by Ignition has finally caught up to Noel and ruined what should've been an intact streak, and to boot gerrymandered with crap like NFTs and access to half a documentary for hundreds of dollars. With Moon, it was a quick single drop, then a month later, the album. And it wildly successful, especially considering Liam dropped around the same time as well. It's also possible that, at this point in Noel and the Foo Fighters' respective careers, the public just prefers what the Foo Fighters are selling. Not everything's about logistics. |
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Post by glider on Jun 9, 2023 19:58:23 GMT -5
A lot of salt in this thread for whatever reason but well deserved for the Foo Fighters, simply for having clearly better management and logistics. This album should've been released last fall, just like Moon was in 2017. Holy Mountain dropped a month before the album and then off to the races. Years of horrific management by Ignition has finally caught up to Noel and ruined what should've been an intact streak, and to boot gerrymandered with crap like NFTs and access to half a documentary for hundreds of dollars. With Moon, it was a quick single drop, then a month later, the album. And it wildly successful, especially considering Liam dropped around the same time as well. It's also possible that, at this point in Noel and the Foo Fighters' respective careers, the public just prefers what the Foo Fighters are selling. Not everything's about logistics. It has everything to do with logistics. Liam's album last year doing marginally better numbers than Council Skies on release, going against Styles and taking a lead for a week was not an easy task. The desperation to retain the record with their recent media push shows they hadn't prepared for such a scenario. This release shouldn't had been hard. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jun 9, 2023 20:47:53 GMT -5
39 for Noel in New Zealand … Foo Fighters number 1. Liam got 9 with C’mon You Know, so that’s not a great result for Noel. JB Hi-Fi doesn't even have it in stock in Dunedin. So shit. His debut got to no 10 and I think wbtm made top 20. |
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Post by PepsiNebula on Jun 9, 2023 20:50:32 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, management took a lot of wrong decisions but in the end Noel was less than 400 copies shy of 40k, those are big numbers in 2023 This was more a case of FF doing well than him failing Should they have tried harder once they knew a battle was on instead of making desperate moves on a thursday morning? Probably, but they're still a small label working with a 56 years old artist, we shouldn't take anything for granted My biggest frustration is that this album was done well over 6 months ago, too many singles got released beforehand alongside the already known tracks and there was no reason to start in the States where High Flying Birds just aren't very big. It should have been out much sooner and after two banging singles were released. If this was out in March one month after Dead To The World and Think Of A Number were recently released and if he was booked in for some UK shows to follow it up the hype would have been massive and pre-orders would have been much higher. Not really fussed about the chart performance, but I will say the huge lead time and having so many songs released in advance really diminished my enjoyment of the album as a whole. I put it on for the first time, and there was only one new song in the first seven. The demo of Trying To... came out 13 months before the album, and Pretty Boy, the real actual first single, came out a full seven months prior. Hard to listen to the album as a coherent body of work when I'd been listening to pieces of it on repeat for so very long, and when I'd heard so MANY of the pieces by the time the album came out.
(I know I could have just not listened to the demo or the singles, but I don't have that kind of will power.)
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Post by glider on Jun 9, 2023 22:16:37 GMT -5
My biggest frustration is that this album was done well over 6 months ago, too many singles got released beforehand alongside the already known tracks and there was no reason to start in the States where High Flying Birds just aren't very big. It should have been out much sooner and after two banging singles were released. If this was out in March one month after Dead To The World and Think Of A Number were recently released and if he was booked in for some UK shows to follow it up the hype would have been massive and pre-orders would have been much higher. Not really fussed about the chart performance, but I will say the huge lead time and having so many songs released in advance really diminished my enjoyment of the album as a whole. I put it on for the first time, and there was only one new song in the first seven. The demo of Trying To... came out 13 months before the album, and Pretty Boy, the real actual first single, came out a full seven months prior. Hard to listen to the album as a coherent body of work when I'd been listening to pieces of it on repeat for so very long, and when I'd heard so MANY of the pieces by the time the album came out.
(I know I could have just not listened to the demo or the singles, but I don't have that kind of will power.)
My criticism of the chart failure and over promotion is merely scratching the surface of this album rollout. This might be the worst rollout for Noel ever. Chasing Yesterday's rollout was dodgy as well but remember, like I said earlier Noel was the sole post Oasis act. Those live shows, nevertheless a month later, were massive and electric. The whole Garbage (the band) North American tour was a bizarre choice. Everything about this rollout is disjointed. Even the lead up to the album has felt flat in terms of discussion and interest. The run up to CY and Moon was much more interesting. I don't know how to explain it I guess, something just feels like it's missing this time around for me. |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 9, 2023 22:22:40 GMT -5
Not really fussed about the chart performance, but I will say the huge lead time and having so many songs released in advance really diminished my enjoyment of the album as a whole. I put it on for the first time, and there was only one new song in the first seven. The demo of Trying To... came out 13 months before the album, and Pretty Boy, the real actual first single, came out a full seven months prior. Hard to listen to the album as a coherent body of work when I'd been listening to pieces of it on repeat for so very long, and when I'd heard so MANY of the pieces by the time the album came out.
(I know I could have just not listened to the demo or the singles, but I don't have that kind of will power.)
My criticism of the chart failure and over promotion is merely scratching the surface of this album rollout. This might be the worst rollout for Noel ever. Chasing Yesterday's rollout was dodgy as well but remember, like I said earlier Noel was the sole post Oasis act. Those live shows, nevertheless a month later, were massive and electric. The whole Garbage (the band) North American tour was a bizarre choice. Everything about this rollout is disjointed. Even the lead up to the album has felt flat in terms of discussion and interest. The run up to CY and Moon was much more interesting. I don't know how to explain it I guess, something just feels like it's missing this time around for me. Guardiola and the rest of the city team is missing Noel in Turkey as well. The schedule of this whole thing is shambles |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 9, 2023 23:04:28 GMT -5
A lot of salt in this thread for whatever reason but well deserved for the Foo Fighters, simply for having clearly better management and logistics. This album should've been released last fall, just like Moon was in 2017. Holy Mountain dropped a month before the album and then off to the races. Years of horrific management by Ignition has finally caught up to Noel and ruined what should've been an intact streak, and to boot gerrymandered with crap like NFTs and access to half a documentary for hundreds of dollars. With Moon, it was a quick single drop, then a month later, the album. And it wildly successful, especially considering Liam dropped around the same time as well. That horrific management resulted in three #1 albums plus a best of compilation at #1. A week before or a week after results in a slam dunk #1. Can’t control when other artists announce albums. The NTFs were definitely planned like this prior to the close battle. Too much work went into them for a last second effort. And it didn’t cost “hundreds of dollars”, it was only $20. Not ideal but certainly not $100. If he did a Macca and moved it selling a lie of production issues that would be lame a fuck. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Jun 9, 2023 23:31:43 GMT -5
Oh well, on the plus side he's had great reviews and that's more important in the long run.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 10, 2023 0:40:14 GMT -5
IT WAS TOO (expensive).
Simple.
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