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Post by tiger40 on Jun 9, 2023 13:36:17 GMT -5
I think we knew that Noel wouldn't get to number one after Wednesday's chart update. There was no way he could catch up with the Foo Fighters. Yeah and offering another batch of 1,000 signed vinyl wouldnāt have done shit. That's true and Noel should've definitely promoted his album much better than what he did. |
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Post by carlober on Jun 9, 2023 13:51:57 GMT -5
Not to mention their drummer doing his bit for the promo. š„ I really hope you mean the buzz about their new drummer, otherwise your comment is utterly sickā¦sorry to say. Also generally: Never had any idea the Oasis/Liam/Noel fanbase has so many hardcore fans that show so much hatred towards other bandsā¦Iām not a strong Foos follower, but they do have great songs and play awesome live concerts catering to the fan base often with playing much more than 20 songs. I find it also a bit messed up how much hatred they get here for beating our beloved Noel.. There's no denying that Taylor Hawkins's untimely loss rekindled interest in the band. The new album, title included ("But Here We Are") is a nod to that, as is the fact that it was described as the "first chapter of the bandās new life", a "testament to the healing powers of friendship " etc... There's nothing sick about this, it's just what it is. |
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Post by mossy on Jun 9, 2023 13:53:06 GMT -5
Not to mention their drummer doing his bit for the promo. š„ I really hope you mean the buzz about their new drummer, otherwise your comment is utterly sickā¦sorry to say. Also generally: Never had any idea the Oasis/Liam/Noel fanbase has so many hardcore fans that show so much hatred towards other bandsā¦Iām not a strong Foos follower, but they do have great songs and play awesome live concerts catering to the fan base often with playing much more than 20 songs. I find it also a bit messed up how much hatred they get here for beating our beloved Noel.. Obviously what happened to Taylor is very sad. But it is a fact that when a prominent member dies, a band will get more attention from the press than they would otherwise. The Fooās new album is their top rated one of all time by some margin. I seriously doubt that would have been the case if the press werenāt being lenient due to the tragic circumstances. www.metacritic.com/person/foo-fighters |
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Post by mossy on Jun 9, 2023 13:57:11 GMT -5
I really hope you mean the buzz about their new drummer, otherwise your comment is utterly sickā¦sorry to say. Also generally: Never had any idea the Oasis/Liam/Noel fanbase has so many hardcore fans that show so much hatred towards other bandsā¦Iām not a strong Foos follower, but they do have great songs and play awesome live concerts catering to the fan base often with playing much more than 20 songs. I find it also a bit messed up how much hatred they get here for beating our beloved Noel.. There's no denying that Taylor Hawkins's untimely loss rekindled interest in the band. The new album, title included ("But Here We Are") is a nod to that, as is the fact that it was described as the "first chapter of the bandās new life", a "testament to the healing powers of friendship " etc... There's nothing sick about this, it's just what it is. was calling me sick and to be fair I was being pretty flippant, so sorry if it is too soon for jokes like that ā®ļø |
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Post by mossy on Jun 9, 2023 14:00:23 GMT -5
Ah, Iām not an Apple Music subscriber so have never actually seen that Apple thing. š they're on youtube! matt wilkinson, i don't remember anything from the interview to be honest lol but here they are, i remember LOVING the liam one, very silly and fun EDIT: IT IS THERE! around minute 4, i do remember Liam saying on twitter (BEFORE this) that it didn't sound like Noel and his yes-people had written it (actually said it sounded like Sara but you know, in his flowery way) Thanks for sharing this! Some great info in here. Loads of leftover Holmes material heās still working on. Mentions 30 tracks. The Oasis 2000s thing was going to be a b-sides + rarities compilation, not a best of. The punk version of Eleanor Rigby has Noel on vocals. When he buys a yacht heāll call it mega mega white thing š Noel the big Underworld fan, brilliant. |
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Post by niftium on Jun 9, 2023 14:16:14 GMT -5
The Oasis 2000s thing was going to be a b-sides + rarities compilation, not a best of. The Masterplan 2: Electric Boogaloo The Tolerably Okay Plan The Best We Could Do When Our Vocalist Wouldn't Come In To Do His Takes Fall of Oasis: What Happens When The Other Guys Write Songs (As Long As They've Got) Rarities in Hell Best I can do before the boss walks down the aisle again. |
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Post by neila83 on Jun 9, 2023 14:20:42 GMT -5
I'm sure if Noel was given a choice between Man City winning the Champions league tomorrow and a number one, he'd take the football all day long. I mean obviously it doesn't work like that and Man City might lose (please!) but if they win I think he'll be over this pretty quickly.
Once the Foo's came in it was always an uphill battle given the context of their record. In any case Noel's promotion strategy didn't remotely resemble a label trying to get a number one album in any case. I know everyone loves to bash the label, but I wonder if they're doing the best they can with a fairly disinterested artist. I don't really get the impression Noel is making decisions with an eye on getting number one. The single choices are his, he insisted on not putting we're gonna get there on the album, I'm sure he weighed up that being in the USA would severely hamper his promotion and did it anyway.
I think this probably means more to people in this forum than Noel himself. I get the impression to him now a number one would be nice but he stopped chasing it as being almost as important as the music itself. In fact he almost seems to try and self sabotage his chart hopes and the label are left desperately tryign to undo the damage!
Had to happen one day, amazing it's taken this long. He still holds a record, so don't worry too much for the lad.
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 9, 2023 14:22:32 GMT -5
Noel might argue the charts are meaningless these days but the desperation of his management team the last couple of days proves his no1 streak meant something. It needs to be a wake up call for them. Ridiculous 6 months delays releasing an album, bad single choices, crap videos, little promotion, starting tour wrong place in the world etc. They need to improve. Spot on. Noel's team only have themselves to blame for this one. The single choices were on Noel I'd imagine but for everything else management has been piss poor. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 9, 2023 14:33:50 GMT -5
I'm sure if Noel was given a choice between Man City winning the Champions league tomorrow and a number one, he'd take the football all day long. I mean obviously it doesn't work like that and Man City might lose (please!) but if they win I think he'll be over this pretty quickly. Once the Foo's came in it was always an uphill battle given the context of their record. In any case Noel's promotion strategy didn't remotely resemble a label trying to get a number one album in any case. I know everyone loves to bash the label, but I wonder if they're doing the best they can with a fairly disinterested artist. I don't really get the impression Noel is making decisions with an eye on getting number one. The single choices are his, he insisted on not putting we're gonna get there on the album, I'm sure he weighed up that being in the USA would severely hamper his promotion and did it anyway. I think this probably means more to people in this forum than Noel himself. I get the impression to him now a number one would be nice but he stopped chasing it as being almost as important as the music itself. In fact he almost seems to try and self sabotage his chart hopes and the label are left desperately tryign to undo the damage! Had to happen one day, amazing it's taken this long. He still holds a record, so don't worry too much for the lad. To be fair this is more a timing thing than anything else. 99% of the year he would sail to a #1. This albums and USA tour were most likely planned way before the Foos dropped their album announcement. Itās easy for us to say move it up or push it back but it doesnāt work like that logistically. Plus it looks cowardly. The ironic thing is Council Skies sold more than his best of that went #1. The single choices were fine. Not sure any song off the record was going to be a radio/streaming/playlist monster so it doesnāt matter. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 14:35:45 GMT -5
Noel might argue the charts are meaningless these days but the desperation of his management team the last couple of days proves his no1 streak meant something. It needs to be a wake up call for them. Ridiculous 6 months delays releasing an album, bad single choices, crap videos, little promotion, starting tour wrong place in the world etc. They need to improve. Spot on. Noel's team only have themselves to blame for this one. The single choices were on Noel I'd imagine but for everything else management has been piss poor.Ā As I said in another thread, management took a lot of wrong decisions but in the end Noel was less than 400 copies shy of 40k, those are big numbers in 2023 This was more a case of FF doing well than him failing Should they have tried harder once they knew a battle was on instead of making desperate moves on a thursday morning? Probably, but they're still a small label working with a 56 years old artist, we shouldn't take anything for granted |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 14:37:35 GMT -5
I'm sure if Noel was given a choice between Man City winning the Champions league tomorrow and a number one, he'd take the football all day long. I mean obviously it doesn't work like that and Man City might lose (please!) but if they win I think he'll be over this pretty quickly. Once the Foo's came in it was always an uphill battle given the context of their record. In any case Noel's promotion strategy didn't remotely resemble a label trying to get a number one album in any case. I know everyone loves to bash the label, but I wonder if they're doing the best they can with a fairly disinterested artist. I don't really get the impression Noel is making decisions with an eye on getting number one. The single choices are his, he insisted on not putting we're gonna get there on the album, I'm sure he weighed up that being in the USA would severely hamper his promotion and did it anyway. I think this probably means more to people in this forum than Noel himself. I get the impression to him now a number one would be nice but he stopped chasing it as being almost as important as the music itself. In fact he almost seems to try and self sabotage his chart hopes and the label are left desperately tryign to undo the damage! Had to happen one day, amazing it's taken this long. He still holds a record, so don't worry too much for the lad. To be fair this is more a timing thing than anything else. 99% of the year he would sail to a #1. This albums and USA tour were most likely planned way before the Foos dropped their album announcement. Itās easy for us to say move it up or push it back but it doesnāt work like that logistically. Plus it looks cowardly. The ironic thing is Council Skies sold more than his best of that went #1. The single choices were fine. Not sure any song off the record was going to be a radio/streaming/playlist monster so it doesnāt matter. Yeah they could've moved the date but that'd look worse than the NFTs My only real complaint is they could've worked to release a proper single during the album week, and maybe work to get his Jools Holland episode aired this week, the rest was just unfortunate timing |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 14:39:45 GMT -5
For context, the best #2 album this year previous to this week was Depeche Mode with 22k, that's 17k less than what Noel did
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 9, 2023 14:55:35 GMT -5
Spot on. Noel's team only have themselves to blame for this one. The single choices were on Noel I'd imagine but for everything else management has been piss poor. As I said in another thread, management took a lot of wrong decisions but in the end Noel was less than 400 copies shy of 40k, those are big numbers in 2023 This was more a case of FF doing well than him failing Should they have tried harder once they knew a battle was on instead of making desperate moves on a thursday morning? Probably, but they're still a small label working with a 56 years old artist, we shouldn't take anything for granted My biggest frustration is that this album was done well over 6 months ago, too many singles got released beforehand alongside the already known tracks and there was no reason to start in the States where High Flying Birds just aren't very big. It should have been out much sooner and after two banging singles were released. If this was out in March one month after Dead To The World and Think Of A Number were recently released and if he was booked in for some UK shows to follow it up the hype would have been massive and pre-orders would have been much higher. Don't get me wrong I couldn't care less about chart performance. If Noel get's a no.1 or something that doesn't chart I couldn't care less, but I have to admit i've been frustrated by the release strategy. Thinking about it a bit though I think maybe I and others were being a bit harsh on 'management'. Noel is and has always been the boss in every group or project he's been involved with so these were likely all his decisions. Noel doesn't strike me as someone who lets anyone make any decision for him and a 55 year old man isn't likely to know or care much about any of this. I think I've just typed myself out of my own original point haha. Noel is who he is and isn't going to change. |
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Post by carlober on Jun 9, 2023 14:58:07 GMT -5
For context, the best #2 album this year previous to this week was Depeche Mode with 22k, that's 17k less than what Noel did It's just bad timing. It would have been an easy #1 in another week. (I still believe that announcing an album 6 months in advance is such an insane practice in 2023,but what do I know? Foo Fighters announced it in mid/late April, by the way...) |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 15:07:11 GMT -5
As I said in another thread, management took a lot of wrong decisions but in the end Noel was less than 400 copies shy of 40k, those are big numbers in 2023 This was more a case of FF doing well than him failing Should they have tried harder once they knew a battle was on instead of making desperate moves on a thursday morning? Probably, but they're still a small label working with a 56 years old artist, we shouldn't take anything for granted My biggest frustration is that this album was done well over 6 months ago, too many singles got released beforehand alongside the already known tracks and there was no reason to start in the States where High Flying Birds just aren't very big. It should have been out much sooner and after two banging singles were released. If this was out in March one month after Dead To The World and Think Of A Number were recently released and if he was booked in for some UK shows to follow it up the hype would have been massive and pre-orders would have been much higher. Don't get me wrong I couldn't care less about chart performance. If Noel get's a no.1 or something that doesn't chart I couldn't care less, but I have to admit i've been frustrated by the release strategy.Ā Thinking about it a bit though I think maybe I and others were being a bit harsh on 'management'. Noel is and has always been the boss in every group or project he's been involved with so these were likely all his decisions. Noel doesn't strike me as someone who lets anyone make any decision for him and a 55 year old man isn't likely to know or care much about any of this.Ā I think I've just typed myself out of my own original point haha. Noel is who he is and isn't going to change.Ā I agree about everything you said, even said the same things yesterday  But they probably didn't expect FF to release an album the same day and just thought they'd coast to a number 1, so for instance while the decision to tour the US straight away was baffling, they couldn't have changed that They still deserve some blame because they had 2 months to organise some better moves anyway, once the FF album was announced, but in the end it was bad timing more than anything else |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 9, 2023 15:17:49 GMT -5
To be fair this is more a timing thing than anything else. 99% of the year he would sail to a #1. This albums and USA tour were most likely planned way before the Foos dropped their album announcement. Itās easy for us to say move it up or push it back but it doesnāt work like that logistically. Plus it looks cowardly. The ironic thing is Council Skies sold more than his best of that went #1. The single choices were fine. Not sure any song off the record was going to be a radio/streaming/playlist monster so it doesnāt matter. Yeah they could've moved the date but that'd look worse than the NFTs My only real complaint is they could've worked to release a proper single during the album week, and maybe work to get his Jools Holland episode aired this week, the rest was just unfortunate timing The NFTs were probably in the works regardless if Noel was in a tight race or not. Too much production went into that to just wing it last second. |
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Post by mossy on Jun 9, 2023 15:29:23 GMT -5
For context, the best #2 album this year previous to this week was Depeche Mode with 22k, that's 17k less than what Noel did It's just bad timing. It would have been an easy #1 in another week. (I still believe that announcing an album 6 months in advance is such an insane practice in 2023,but what do I know? Foo Fighters announced it in mid/late April, by the way...) The 6 month lead time is crazy. I instant skip several songs on the album just because Iāve heard them too many times already. ā© |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Jun 9, 2023 15:33:27 GMT -5
He should just do a two week release. Never let up on the momentum of the initial hype. Release a new single every few days until album drops.
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Post by Firefly on Jun 9, 2023 15:35:43 GMT -5
My biggest frustration is that this album was done well over 6 months ago, too many singles got released beforehand alongside the already known tracks and there was no reason to start in the States where High Flying Birds just aren't very big. It should have been out much sooner and after two banging singles were released. If this was out in March one month after Dead To The World and Think Of A Number were recently released and if he was booked in for some UK shows to follow it up the hype would have been massive and pre-orders would have been much higher. Don't get me wrong I couldn't care less about chart performance. If Noel get's a no.1 or something that doesn't chart I couldn't care less, but I have to admit i've been frustrated by the release strategy. Thinking about it a bit though I think maybe I and others were being a bit harsh on 'management'. Noel is and has always been the boss in every group or project he's been involved with so these were likely all his decisions. Noel doesn't strike me as someone who lets anyone make any decision for him and a 55 year old man isn't likely to know or care much about any of this. I think I've just typed myself out of my own original point haha. Noel is who he is and isn't going to change. I agree about everything you said, even said the same things yesterday But they probably didn't expect FF to release an album the same day and just thought they'd coast to a number 1, so for instance while the decision to tour the US straight away was baffling, they couldn't have changed that They still deserve some blame because they had 2 months to organise some better moves anyway, once the FF album was announced, but in the end it was bad timing more than anything else Yeah the US tour at this time is a strange one, I got to thinking maybe it was some kind of post divorce reaction, Noel looking to get away from it all maybe. He's talked repeatedly about the tour being a road test for the album, see what works with audiences and all that so he knows what songs to rotate in the setlist, but from what I'm seeing, audiences there have been lacklustre and tickets sales on the low side. Saw one person say the audience on their night was clearly there for Garbage. How did he think a US audience was ever going to be good for road testing an album? Surely a UK audience would've given him more feedback? |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 9, 2023 15:38:12 GMT -5
It's just bad timing. It would have been an easy #1 in another week. (I still believe that announcing an album 6 months in advance is such an insane practice in 2023,but what do I know? Foo Fighters announced it in mid/late April, by the way...) The 6 month lead time is crazy. I instant skip several songs on the album just because Iāve heard them too many times already. ā© But you told him that you wanted it, yeah, yeah? |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 9, 2023 15:40:58 GMT -5
I agree about everything you said, even said the same things yesterday But they probably didn't expect FF to release an album the same day and just thought they'd coast to a number 1, so for instance while the decision to tour the US straight away was baffling, they couldn't have changed that They still deserve some blame because they had 2 months to organise some better moves anyway, once the FF album was announced, but in the end it was bad timing more than anything else Ā Yeah the US tour at this time is a strange one, Ā I got to thinking maybe it was some kind of post divorce reaction, Noel looking to get away from it all maybe. He's talked repeatedly about the tour being a road test for the album, see what works with audiences and all that so he knows what songs to rotate in the setlist, but from what I'm seeing, audiences there have been lacklustre and tickets sales on the low side. Saw one person say the audience on their night was clearly there for Garbage. How did he think a US audience was ever going to be good for road testing an album? Surely a UK audience would've given him more feedback? I think it's more about warming up as a band |
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Post by elenche on Jun 9, 2023 15:46:29 GMT -5
Totally, I was just thinking that. Also they just released their new single today while Noel is releasing his tomorrow. They're clearly fucking with Noel and rightly so. Oasis and Foo Fighters are my two favorite bands of all the time btw. Loving this so far. This. Anyone who is a long time fan of the Foos knows Dave would absolutely do this (and Taylor would have loved it). And Noel deserves it, sadly. Some of his most prickish behavior involved the FF. And blocking Liam's LF from the tribute was probably the tipping point. bad timing? |
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Post by Firefly on Jun 9, 2023 15:49:17 GMT -5
Yeah the US tour at this time is a strange one, I got to thinking maybe it was some kind of post divorce reaction, Noel looking to get away from it all maybe. He's talked repeatedly about the tour being a road test for the album, see what works with audiences and all that so he knows what songs to rotate in the setlist, but from what I'm seeing, audiences there have been lacklustre and tickets sales on the low side. Saw one person say the audience on their night was clearly there for Garbage. How did he think a US audience was ever going to be good for road testing an album? Surely a UK audience would've given him more feedback? I think it's more about warming up as a band Yeah that too but he's the one who said it was about the audience telling him which new songs work and which ones don't. Just wonder if the audiences so far are telling him much. |
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 9, 2023 16:07:14 GMT -5
FF always struck me as a singles band. I admit to liking a lot of their singles but if you listen to any of their albums after the great first one it all just kind of comes and goes in a middling, uninteresting, forgettable kind of way. They're like everyone's 20th favorite band and enjoy when they come on the radio, maybe they'll buy a gig ticket if they come to town but I wouldn't have thought many would rush to buy their new album. Does anyone know anyone who's favorite band is Foo Fighters? I've never met anyone, everyone likes them but nobody loves them as far as I can tell. I'm sure they exist but I'm surprised they're outperforming Noel this time. I know personally that I'll check out their singles at some point but I have no desire to listen to the album through because I know I'll get bored.
Like I said I don't care about how Noel charts but I thought he'd win this one easily as I would have thought his fanbase is generally more enthusiastic and older therefore more likely to actually buy the album. I get why they'd outsell him in the US but in the UK I'd have thought he was much more popular.
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Post by lubeck on Jun 9, 2023 16:16:39 GMT -5
I don't even rate Council Skies that much and charts aren't relevant (never were much but nowadays, with streaming and the likes being counted as sales, even less so) but if Dave Grohl is doing that on purpose to "fuck with Noel", maybe he should try to write great songs, like Noel did back in the day with his classics. A bit harder I guess...
Dave Grohl will always remain an outstanding drummer but I'll never understand how a band like Foo Fighters ended up that huge.
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