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Post by chamu on Dec 6, 2017 5:14:27 GMT -5
I only said that he will struggle to reach platinum with WBTM. Sales are great for Noel, but he's slightly underperforming in comparison with CY. Something totally expected in 2017. Indeed, he's the sixth best seller album in his first week this year. Really impressive for a 50 years old man with an experimental album which it's going to divide his fanbase.
The problem is: nobody would have thought three years ago that in 2017 Noel&Liam would release two albums and Liam would outsell Noel. Me neither. And that's because Beady Eye second album really bombed too. Only in three days Liam sold more than BE has sold till now!
So yes, Noel is doing a great job here, but we have to appreciate what Liam is achieving this year. And we must be happy for both of them!!
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Post by jason77 on Dec 6, 2017 5:14:30 GMT -5
No surprise overall this album probably wont achieve big sales it’s likely to be the lowest selling album of his career.The album has had better reviews than the first two but many fans simply do not like the new sound.I’m surprised the video for beautiful world still has not been released surely there will be some sort of promotion in the new two weeks unless he puts another single out as it’s a beautiful world has had a bit of a lukewarm response.
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Post by LlAM on Dec 6, 2017 5:36:22 GMT -5
No surprise overall this album probably wont achieve big sales it’s likely to be the lowest selling album of his career.The album has had better reviews than the first two but many fans simply do not like the new sound. Really? I was sure WBTM sold roughly the same in the first week as CY? Meaning that "many fans" bought his album, as I doubt "many fans" would wait weeks after release to buy the album. Maybe I'm wrong, cos I have zero figures to back it up. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 6, 2017 6:22:45 GMT -5
If that record bombs (well it didn't) it means lesser so-called fans at Noel's gigs, so it's gonna be a way, way better night.
Chasing Yesterday tour was kinda annoying because of that.
To the people who think Noel is bombing: Have fun with Twitter fans at Liam's gigs. It's gonna be epic OMG LIKE RETWEET.
Good times.
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Post by jason77 on Dec 6, 2017 7:04:06 GMT -5
No surprise overall this album probably wont achieve big sales it’s likely to be the lowest selling album of his career.The album has had better reviews than the first two but many fans simply do not like the new sound. Really? I was sure WBTM sold roughly the same in the first week as CY? Meaning that "many fans" bought his album, as I doubt "many fans" would wait weeks after release to buy the album. Maybe I'm wrong, cos I have zero figures to back it up. In comparison to his other solo albums this will probably sell the least all I was saying. |
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Post by bloodonthetracks on Dec 6, 2017 7:07:51 GMT -5
It's probably not selling as many as the 2 previous albums because people are sick of Noels bullshit. He's turned into a really dislikeable figure.
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Post by deasy on Dec 6, 2017 7:24:41 GMT -5
If you factor in the overall market drop off in the intervening period, WBTM? actually outperformed CY it's first week.
Going from some of the comments on here you'd think it was bombing.
Has 2 big promotions coming up in Graham Norton and particularly SPOTY, so it's probably going to have decent sales next few weeks also.
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 6, 2017 7:26:06 GMT -5
It's probably not selling as many as the 2 previous albums because people are sick of Noels bullshit. He's turned into a really dislikeable figure. I haven't read Noel's recent interviews yet as I don't bother it. I don't have to agree everything he and Liam say and I don't have to love everything Noel and Liam do, but it doesn't stop me to buying their records and enjoy their music. PS: I think I've seen you on here before. |
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Post by Zorro On Donuts on Dec 6, 2017 9:01:17 GMT -5
I think a lot of Liam's success this time around is due to what made Noel's first solo album a success, and that's the fact that people want to see what a "Liam solo album" is all about. It's news worthy, people are paying attention. His album is also easier to digest for a casual listener. All that being said, neither album is doing bad.
Also, neither album is taking the world by storm. We're all talking about how great Liam is doing this time around, but in comparison to true SUCCESS, its just not there. As you Were is not like Adele's "21", not like Green Day's "American Idiot," or better yet like Oasis's "What's the Story (Morning Glory?)
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Post by liamsparka on Dec 6, 2017 9:13:17 GMT -5
I think a lot of Liam's success this time around is due to what made Noel's first solo album a success, and that's the fact that people want to see what a "Liam solo album" is all about. It's news worthy, people are paying attention. His album is also easier to digest for a casual listener. All that being said, neither album is doing bad. Also, neither album is taking the world by storm. We're all talking about how great Liam is doing this time around, but in comparison to true SUCCESS, its just not there. As you Were is not like Adele's "21", not like Green Day's "American Idiot," or better yet like Oasis's "What's the Story (Morning Glory?) You are right about the success, but you have to temper it with the fact we are talking about 45 and 50 year old artists .........not many global stars maintain sales to that age .....for Liam to possibly end in the top 10 year end is an amazing achievement! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2017 10:01:57 GMT -5
Noel’s proper fucked. I wonder if that spot on X Factor is still available. He’d be a fantastic judge for TV. After a couple of seasons he’s be perfect to make the jump to a judge on USA music shows. To the future!
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 6, 2017 10:37:41 GMT -5
Why are you overreacting over an album that debuted at #1 and hasn't even been out for 2 weeks?
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Post by jason77 on Dec 6, 2017 11:01:31 GMT -5
Todays mids he is at # 9
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2017 12:05:10 GMT -5
Why are you overreacting over an album that debuted at #1 and hasn't even been out for 2 weeks? I guess you didn't get the memo. This album cycle has been a colossal failure. Noel will probably need to borrow money from the bank to payoff debut from this tour. I wonder if he can co-write songs with Holmes and Paul Weller. Dark times. Dark fucking times.  |
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Post by LlAM on Dec 6, 2017 12:22:06 GMT -5
Why are you overreacting over an album that debuted at #1 and hasn't even been out for 2 weeks? I guess you didn't get the memo. This album cycle has been a colossal failure. Noel will probably need to borrow money from the bank to payoff debut from this tour. I wonder if he can co-write songs with Holmes and Paul Weller. Dark times. Dark fucking times. He'll probably have to stay at hotels without mini bars and swimming pools 🤢☹️ |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2017 12:23:26 GMT -5
I guess you didn't get the memo. This album cycle has been a colossal failure. Noel will probably need to borrow money from the bank to payoff debut from this tour. I wonder if he can co-write songs with Holmes and Paul Weller. Dark times. Dark fucking times. He'll probably have to stay at hotels without mini bars and swimming pools 🤢☹️ I look forward to the Q magazine tell all about these dark and troubling years. Looking for an honest confession by a man humbled. |
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Post by wallofass on Dec 6, 2017 12:29:07 GMT -5
The scramble to show facts and figures for Noel is highly amusing. The case for the sales being similar to CY is perhaps justified. However i think saying Beady Eye's BE sales were a "bomb" for what it was ( indie band, no promotion, no marketing) is harsh. Yes by Liam standards a flop, by Indie status good. And to be honest, if you take out the fact Noel's had the massive benefit of all the Liam vs Noel stuff and most importantly his name on the cover (when Beady Eye didnt) then are these sales THAT much better? For example if BE comes out just after CY and there's been this whole saga with the two of them and its called 'Liam Gallagher - BE" you'd be talking these figures too surely? This made me laugh out loud hard. They were an indie band in name only. At the end of the day, Beady Eye had a massive machine behind them. Same as solo Noel. They share management for awhile. Liam and company got all the same promotional opportunities as Oasis and Noel. Liam even went around telling various press outlets Beady Eye were going to bigger and better than Oasis, better than Definitely Maybe. Did them NO favors. The difference was two things. The name Beady Eye covering up the Liam brand and more importantly the music wasn't up to par. DGSS did not hold up well. Sounded dated at the time. LAG went from praising it to throwing Lillywhite under the bus. Totally not fair. He can only work with what the band supplied. Sitek did a much better job with BE but again, it was very very uneven and the tunes were lacking. It came out to no buzz or chart success, under performing tours and Liam fucking quit man. He flat out walked out on them and caught them all off guard. Off guard? Andy was plotting a Ride reunion ffs. Get real. Gem didnt, and still dont, know where he is and Chris was auditioning for The Hobbit. |
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Post by wallofass on Dec 6, 2017 12:32:47 GMT -5
This discussion has been an amazing display of doublethink. "What do sales matter, god!" from the same lot that gleefully pointed out Beady Eye's low record and ticket sales a mere three years ago. My favorite so far has been "not fair comparing a third album and a debut!" The mental gymnastics are Olympics-worthy. Noel’s debut did extremely well. Liam’s debut did really well. There is a natural hype built into debut and a fresh beginning. Let’s see what album 3 does when we get there. Liam still has a long way to go. Loooooong way to go. He only just a week ago let down thousands of USA fans. Broke a lot of hearts. Sure he was sick but it doesn’t play into his previous USA perception is. Fair or unfair. He authored it one way or another. Sorry but what does a few thousand Americans matter in what is an epic UK comeback. No one in the UK even knows he cancelled them. Hasnt mattered one bit. That might sound harsh but its time to change the record dude. It sucks that he did it for whatever reason he did and i feel for every single person who was let down but pretending that is in any way a factor to this comeback is slightly naive. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 6, 2017 12:34:05 GMT -5
Why are you overreacting over an album that debuted at #1 and hasn't even been out for 2 weeks? People need enemies. There is not other enemies left in music, so Noel has become one to people who liked Liam first. Also it must be frustrating to some to not get that new record. It's like not being invited to the party of the year. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2017 12:39:09 GMT -5
Noel’s debut did extremely well. Liam’s debut did really well. There is a natural hype built into debut and a fresh beginning. Let’s see what album 3 does when we get there. Liam still has a long way to go. Loooooong way to go. He only just a week ago let down thousands of USA fans. Broke a lot of hearts. Sure he was sick but it doesn’t play into his previous USA perception is. Fair or unfair. He authored it one way or another. . No one in the UK even knows he cancelled them. Hasnt mattered one bit. That might sound harsh but its time to change the record dude. It sucks that he did it for whatever reason he did and i feel for every single person who was let down but pretending that is in any way a factor to this comeback is slightly naive. First that is a classless comment and down right rude. We Americans love Liam too. All I was saying is he did let down many many fans, many many forum members. I get it he was sick but this isn't the first time he's done this (for whatever reason) to the American market. It sucks. I didn't say anything about it impacting his comeback in the UK. He's thriving there. So don't invent things I didn't say bro. |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 6, 2017 12:40:15 GMT -5
Why are you overreacting over an album that debuted at #1 and hasn't even been out for 2 weeks? People need enemies. There is not other enemies left in music, so Noel has become one to people who liked Liam first. Also it must be frustrating to some to not get that new record. It's like not being invited to the party of the year.This is the biggest load of bullshit fans of any given product trot out against critics. I gave the album a high 8, and proclaimed it Noel's best solo record. I still find a lot of validity in the critiques of those who outright hated it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2017 12:41:07 GMT -5
This made me laugh out loud hard. They were an indie band in name only. At the end of the day, Beady Eye had a massive machine behind them. Same as solo Noel. They share management for awhile. Liam and company got all the same promotional opportunities as Oasis and Noel. Liam even went around telling various press outlets Beady Eye were going to bigger and better than Oasis, better than Definitely Maybe. Did them NO favors. The difference was two things. The name Beady Eye covering up the Liam brand and more importantly the music wasn't up to par. DGSS did not hold up well. Sounded dated at the time. LAG went from praising it to throwing Lillywhite under the bus. Totally not fair. He can only work with what the band supplied. Sitek did a much better job with BE but again, it was very very uneven and the tunes were lacking. It came out to no buzz or chart success, under performing tours and Liam fucking quit man. He flat out walked out on them and caught them all off guard. Off guard? Andy was plotting a Ride reunion ffs. Get real. Gem didnt, and still dont, know where he is and Chris was auditioning for The Hobbit. You really like ignoring facts. Gem and Andy have both said they were caught off guard. Take it up with them. Ride reunion was planned and was going to take place in the break between Beady Eye's 2nd and 3rd album. That never transpired so there was never an issue. Saying Chris was auditioning for the Hobbit, another rude comment. You are on fire right now. Don't change bro. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2017 12:46:11 GMT -5
Whether people are unimpressed or just pushing buttons about Noels album, I just thought certain members who have been guilty of the same and worse could do better than insult someone who only pointed out that fans might be moving the goalposts to fit expectations. This discussion has been an amazing display of doublethink. "What do sales matter, god!" from the same lot that gleefully pointed out Beady Eye's low record and ticket sales a mere three years ago. My favorite so far has been "not fair comparing a third album and a debut!" The mental gymnastics are Olympics-worthy.THIS FOR STARTERS |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 6, 2017 12:47:11 GMT -5
This discussion has been an amazing display of doublethink. "What do sales matter, god!" from the same lot that gleefully pointed out Beady Eye's low record and ticket sales a mere three years ago. My favorite so far has been "not fair comparing a third album and a debut!" The mental gymnastics are Olympics-worthy.THIS FOR STARTERS How is that a fight starter? I'm not calling out anyone in particular, but commenting on a general attitude present in certain discussions. Do you feel singled out, maybe? We can talk about it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2017 12:48:17 GMT -5
How is that a fight starter? I'm not calling out anyone in particular, but commenting on a general attitude present in certain discussions. Do you feel singled out, maybe? We can talk about it. Well considering you referenced something I said in particular, yes I feel like that is taking a shot at me. You post something like that and it will get a reaction on the forum. Especially if the person you are quoting reads it. |
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