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Post by deasy on Dec 4, 2017 17:33:16 GMT -5
#6 on today´s update. Liam still at #18. It´s the Christmas Sales period, yes, but for Noel´s too. In these weeks before Christmas, sales tend to increase from the rest of the year, so it should be higher than usual for a second week sales. His first album was released in October and during Christmas period it sold a lot, increasing every week its sales Chasing Yesterday went from 89,110 week 1 to 24,624 week 2. If we were to apply the same percentage drop to WBTM? we would be looking at 21,500 sales this week. Anything above this we could pin on a Christmas boost - I'm not sure if WBTM? is in line for a very big one. Certainly not as big a stocking filler as Ed Sheeran or Sam Smith would be. I've also just noticed that when Chasing Yesterday got to #1 it had Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith albums in the top 5 behind it. The week after they had both overtaken him with Sam Smith at #1. Exact same happening this time.
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Post by rockstar4 on Dec 4, 2017 18:23:38 GMT -5
U2 28k how bad is that will probably finish at number 3 is the album that bad ? The new U2 album is fantastic. People who don't give it a chance really miss out on a great record.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 4, 2017 18:31:46 GMT -5
U2 28k how bad is that will probably finish at number 3 is the album that bad ? It's a very good album actually. I'm a bit shocked it's not going to top the charts. Maybe people are still bitter about SOI? I don't think general public opinion of Bono is really that high and I do think that has an effect on sales.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Dec 4, 2017 18:43:04 GMT -5
U2 28k how bad is that will probably finish at number 3 is the album that bad ? The new U2 album is fantastic. People who don't give it a chance really miss out on a great record. Personally, I would not say it's fantastic but I agree that they tried hard this time and it's at least much better than Songs of Innocence (not that this was too hard). I think it deserves better in both sales and reviews than what it is getting
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 4, 2017 18:46:46 GMT -5
It's a very good album actually. I'm a bit shocked it's not going to top the charts. Maybe people are still bitter about SOI? I don't think general public opinion of Bono is really that high and I do think that has an effect on sales. I think a bunch of things are working against U2. Their age for starters. Their fan base is people mostly in 50-60s who buy/stream less. They are constantly doing massive tours with tons of media coverage. I think all the press and in your face antics by Bono tend to grate people.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 4, 2017 18:53:24 GMT -5
I don't think general public opinion of Bono is really that high and I do think that has an effect on sales. I think a bunch of things are working against U2. Their age for starters. Their fan base is people mostly in 50-60s who buy/stream less. They are constantly doing massive tours with tons of media coverage. I think all the press and in your face antics by Bono tend to grate people. Yeah it probably is a combination of things but I think lately people have just had enough of him. I don't blame them either.
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Post by matt on Dec 4, 2017 19:14:32 GMT -5
To be fair there last few albums have been average with the odd good song thrown in.The last decent record they made was probably pop and then some dispise that record but i liked it. All that you can't leave behind and Vertigo are good albums, and they were huge commercial successes for them. Things started to go wrong with No Line in the Horizon By spreading themselves so thin by trying to capture every audience, they’re sinking without a trace. They had a hardcore section of fans who followed their every move, readying themselves for forward thinking ambitious and/or experimental albums. If they had never lost their nerve in being adventurous, then they wouldn’t have lost their core audience. One summary from some fans summed it up. They said that Bono had stopped writing in poetry and started writing in prose, and had changed from writing deep and meaningful lyrics to naively optimistic songs (comparing debut singles, there’s a huge drop off from ‘every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief, all kill their inspiration and sing about their grief’’ to the uber-bland ‘you’re the best thing about me, the best thing that ever happened a boy’). Add to this that The Edge stopped creating evocative soundscapes and great arpeggiated rhythms and started to write generic riffs and you’ve got a band that many see as bland. No Line was the last album to show an element of creativity at the very start and very end but the entire middle section is an absolute catastrophe that does not need to be heard. It’s sad that they fail to realise that album’s failure wasn’t due to a lack of hits but simply down to desperately poor generic songwriting in the middle that tried to be chart worthy (throw in Breathe too; while there is a good song there - the unheard more mystical version is one of Brian Eno’s favourite U2 songs ever - is absolutely destroyed by ‘rawk’ production courtesy of Lillywhite who should have ended his partnership with the band years ago). The generic route is sadly the path they’ve taken since then.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Dec 5, 2017 3:14:04 GMT -5
All that you can't leave behind and Vertigo are good albums, and they were huge commercial successes for them. Things started to go wrong with No Line in the Horizon By spreading themselves so thin by trying to capture every audience, they’re sinking without a trace. They had a hardcore section of fans who followed their every move, readying themselves for forward thinking ambitious and/or experimental albums. If they had never lost their nerve in being adventurous, then they wouldn’t have lost their core audience. One summary from some fans summed it up. They said that Bono had stopped writing in poetry and started writing in prose, and had changed from writing deep and meaningful lyrics to naively optimistic songs (comparing debut singles, there’s a huge drop off from ‘every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief, all kill their inspiration and sing about their grief’’ to the uber-bland ‘you’re the best thing about me, the best thing that ever happened a boy’). Add to this that The Edge stopped creating evocative soundscapes and great arpeggiated rhythms and started to write generic riffs and you’ve got a band that many see as bland. No Line was the last album to show an element of creativity at the very start and very end but the entire middle section is an absolute catastrophe that does not need to be heard. It’s sad that they fail to realise that album’s failure wasn’t due to a lack of hits but simply down to desperately poor generic songwriting in the middle that tried to be chart worthy (throw in Breathe too; while there is a good song there - the unheard more mystical version is one of Brian Eno’s favourite U2 songs ever - is absolutely destroyed by ‘rawk’ production courtesy of Lillywhite who should have ended his partnership with the band years ago). The generic route is sadly the path they’ve taken since then. That "unheard" version of Breath that you mention, can be actually be heard somewhere ?
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Post by chamu on Dec 5, 2017 3:21:16 GMT -5
#6 on today´s update. Liam still at #18. It´s the Christmas Sales period, yes, but for Noel´s too. In these weeks before Christmas, sales tend to increase from the rest of the year, so it should be higher than usual for a second week sales. His first album was released in October and during Christmas period it sold a lot, increasing every week its sales Chasing Yesterday went from 89,110 week 1 to 24,624 week 2. If we were to apply the same percentage drop to WBTM? we would be looking at 21,500 sales this week. Anything above this we could pin on a Christmas boost - I'm not sure if WBTM? is in line for a very big one. Certainly not as big a stocking filler as Ed Sheeran or Sam Smith would be. I've also just noticed that when Chasing Yesterday got to #1 it had Ed Sheeran and Sam Smith albums in the top 5 behind it. The week after they had both overtaken him with Sam Smith at #1. Exact same happening this time. i think it´ll sell around 25k or below. Pink is at #5 on Monday´s update and sold 13,2k. But, yes, in Christmas period you should sell a bit more. Liam sold 9,7k in his 7 week and 14k last week. We´ll see... But this album is gonna struggle for reaching platinum status.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 5, 2017 3:34:16 GMT -5
Well yeah, it's a U2 record. (Just had to, sorry)
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Post by martinpaul on Dec 5, 2017 4:50:57 GMT -5
Not sure posters in here can make their mind up - Great sales, Noel is 50 now, yeah mega Has a made up very specific record of 10 something's charting somewhere - hero! Didn't expect it to chart heavily Noel is after critical acclaim these days not sales (the single biggest load of bollocks ever posted about Noel)
It's like a online Little Britain, Yeah but (insert excuse here and blindly carry on)
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Post by lahaine on Dec 5, 2017 6:51:36 GMT -5
I don't think general public opinion of Bono is really that high and I do think that has an effect on sales. I think a bunch of things are working against U2. Their age for starters. Their fan base is people mostly in 50-60s who buy/stream less. They are constantly doing massive tours with tons of media coverage. I think all the press and in your face antics by Bono tend to grate people. I just think they are at that age when people just want them to tour the hits really, has happened to many a act just look at Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney no one gives a damn about their new material. Unless you pull a David Bowie or Bob Dylan and release something matches their prime work and blows their own fanbase and younger fans minds then album sales will falter. Just apart of that cycle. U2's really last great work imo was All That You Can't Leave Behind, after that things started to get patchy with the odd shining moment.
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Post by standbymoi on Dec 5, 2017 9:06:53 GMT -5
I think a bunch of things are working against U2. Their age for starters. Their fan base is people mostly in 50-60s who buy/stream less. They are constantly doing massive tours with tons of media coverage. I think all the press and in your face antics by Bono tend to grate people. I just think they are at that age when people just want them to tour the hits really, has happened to many a act just look at Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney no one gives a damn about their new material. Unless you pull a David Bowie or Bob Dylan and release something matches their prime work and blows their own fanbase and younger fans minds then album sales will falter. Just apart of that cycle. U2's really last great work imo was All That You Can't Leave Behind, after that things started to get patchy with the odd shining moment. Agreed. After 'All That Your Can't Leave Behind' in 2000 they should of stopped making albums. Do other things individually and then re-group every few years for the mega tours of hits with maybe 1 new recorded track to download/stream for each tour. No shame in it, that body of work up to 2000 was epic.
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Post by philko87 on Dec 5, 2017 9:13:20 GMT -5
Does seem odd that a new U2 release doesn’t get to number 1, but I suppose they’ve held off the tide with regards to becoming a legacy act for the best part of two decades.
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Post by jason77 on Dec 5, 2017 10:03:47 GMT -5
There still looking like topping the billboard charts.
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Post by ariananana on Dec 5, 2017 10:22:56 GMT -5
U2 28k how bad is that will probably finish at number 3 is the album that bad ? I haven't listened to it yet, but I thought they had a big enough fanbase to do better They performed on Saturday night Live last weekend and it was AWFUL. A total joke.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 5, 2017 12:18:08 GMT -5
Holy Mountain at #51 in mid week update. Bound for high 70s or low 80s.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 5, 2017 17:15:37 GMT -5
Not sure posters in here can make their mind up - Great sales, Noel is 50 now, yeah mega Has a made up very specific record of 10 something's charting somewhere - hero! Didn't expect it to chart heavily Noel is after critical acclaim these days not sales (the single biggest load of bollocks ever posted about Noel) It's like a online Little Britain, Yeah but (insert excuse here and blindly carry on) I've read this 5 times and still have trouble understanding what the fuck you're trying to say!
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 5, 2017 17:18:29 GMT -5
Not sure posters in here can make their mind up - Great sales, Noel is 50 now, yeah mega Has a made up very specific record of 10 something's charting somewhere - hero! Didn't expect it to chart heavily Noel is after critical acclaim these days not sales (the single biggest load of bollocks ever posted about Noel) It's like a online Little Britain, Yeah but (insert excuse here and blindly carry on) I've read this 5 times and still have trouble understanding what the fuck you're trying to say! I think he's saying that people are making excuses for Noel selling badly, which is weird because Noel didn't sell badly at all and no-one is making excuses for it because it didn't happen. Again, I'm reading some absolute shite from someone with less than 100 posts.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 5, 2017 17:25:55 GMT -5
I've read this 5 times and still have trouble understanding what the fuck you're trying to say! I think he's saying that people are making excuses for Noel selling badly, which is weird because Noel didn't sell badly at all and no-one is making excuses for it because it didn't happen. Again, I'm reading some absolute shite from someone with less than 100 posts. I don’t know where this belief started on the forum that MOON and Holy Mountain bombed. Moon is already one of the biggest sellers of the year. Noel’s 3rd solo #1. Holy Mountain is his 2nd biggest hit single. The reviews have almost all been glowing. So where is this struggle and fall from grace people keep yappin it up about? Is this just old Beady Eye fans looking for payback? Because then you are way off the mark. Even Liam quit that band.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Dec 5, 2017 18:04:08 GMT -5
I think he's saying that people are making excuses for Noel selling badly, which is weird because Noel didn't sell badly at all and no-one is making excuses for it because it didn't happen. Again, I'm reading some absolute shite from someone with less than 100 posts. I don’t know where this belief started on the forum that MOON and Holy Mountain bombed. Moon is already one of the biggest sellers of the year. Noel’s 3rd solo #1. Holy Mountain is his 2nd biggest hit single. The reviews have almost all been glowing. So where is this struggle and fall from grace people keep yappin it up about? Is this just old Beady Eye fans looking for payback? Because then you are way off the mark. Even Liam quit that band. This, or Twitter trolls who didn't know what Beady Eye was until six months ago. These are the post truth times we live in.
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 5, 2017 18:39:16 GMT -5
I've read this 5 times and still have trouble understanding what the fuck you're trying to say! I think he's saying that people are making excuses for Noel selling badly, which is weird because Noel didn't sell badly at all and no-one is making excuses for it because it didn't happen. Again, I'm reading some absolute shite from someone with less than 100 posts. Where are these posters coming from?! Russian bots? I guess they probably are because most of them can't speak English properly.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 5, 2017 19:01:48 GMT -5
I think he's saying that people are making excuses for Noel selling badly, which is weird because Noel didn't sell badly at all and no-one is making excuses for it because it didn't happen. Again, I'm reading some absolute shite from someone with less than 100 posts. I don’t know where this belief started on the forum that MOON and Holy Mountain bombed. Moon is already one of the biggest sellers of the year. Noel’s 3rd solo #1. Holy Mountain is his 2nd biggest hit single. The reviews have almost all been glowing. So where is this struggle and fall from grace people keep yappin it up about? Is this just old Beady Eye fans looking for payback? Because then you are way off the mark. Even Liam quit that band. If there was a few people who were throughly fucked off and disgruntled by how some people treated the Beady Eye section as a dumping ground (couple of them have liked your post unsurprisingly) it would hardly be a surprise. They can dish it out of course...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 5, 2017 19:02:15 GMT -5
I think he's saying that people are making excuses for Noel selling badly, which is weird because Noel didn't sell badly at all and no-one is making excuses for it because it didn't happen. Again, I'm reading some absolute shite from someone with less than 100 posts. Where are these posters coming from?! Russian bots? I guess they probably are because most of them can't speak English properly. Where did you come from? The answer probably lies there.
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Post by matt on Dec 5, 2017 19:49:21 GMT -5
I think he's saying that people are making excuses for Noel selling badly, which is weird because Noel didn't sell badly at all and no-one is making excuses for it because it didn't happen. Again, I'm reading some absolute shite from someone with less than 100 posts. I don’t know where this belief started on the forum that MOON and Holy Mountain bombed. Moon is already one of the biggest sellers of the year. Noel’s 3rd solo #1. Holy Mountain is his 2nd biggest hit single. The reviews have almost all been glowing. So where is this struggle and fall from grace people keep yappin it up about? Is this just old Beady Eye fans looking for payback? Because then you are way off the mark. Even Liam quit that band. Pretty much this - trying, hoping, but desperately failing.
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