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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2017 18:22:11 GMT -5
The problem with Beady Eye was always the expectations they set for themselves. When Liam is going out say that they're going to be bigger then Oasis, and they put up Oasis numbers, then it's going to be viewed through a prism of "failure." Especially, considering that DGSS was a big step down in terms of Oasso sales. Noel hasn't really talked up expectation, actually he's talked them down. Additionally, WBTM's first week sales totals will fall close enough with CY's that Noel is just performing how he typically performs anyways. That is, it can't be disappointing if you're just performing how you usually perform anyways. Numbers are great, context is even better  Do you genuinely believe them comments are why Beady Eye's sales were viewed differently? I think we all taken Liams comments with a pinch of salt. He knew himself nothing could be as big as Oasis. Noel is talking down sales because he fully well knows they are going to be worse than his last 2 albums, and more importantly Liams album. He is so much more bothered about all of this than he makes out. Branding and image did Beady Eye no favors. Ok band name that many people didn’t know was Liam. The image of Beady Eye being basically latter day Oasis minus Noel was never gonna sit right. He wrote the songs. Now he’s gone but the non songwriter guys were gonna shoulder the load for continued success? Was gonna be difficult to sell that idea. Liam is a brand name. People want that. He’s a star. |
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 30, 2017 18:29:44 GMT -5
Do you genuinely believe them comments are why Beady Eye's sales were viewed differently? I think we all taken Liams comments with a pinch of salt. He knew himself nothing could be as big as Oasis. Noel is talking down sales because he fully well knows they are going to be worse than his last 2 albums, and more importantly Liams album. He is so much more bothered about all of this than he makes out. Branding and image did Beady Eye no favors. Ok band name that many people didn’t know was Liam. The image of Beady Eye being basically latter day Oasis minus Noel was never gonna sit right. He wrote the songs. Now he’s gone but the non songwriter guys were gonna shoulder the load for continued success? Was gonna be difficult to sell that idea. Liam is a brand name. People want that. He’s a star. I could have taken Oasis minus Noel if they'd kept up the Oasis attitude and image, but Beady Eye made a conscious effort to be as retro as possible in their early photoshoots and single covers, and it just didn't work. Here was a band whose members were approaching 40, deliberately angling not for a modern take on mod fashion, but a full-on retread. It made them look out of touch and uncool. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2017 18:34:56 GMT -5
Branding and image did Beady Eye no favors. Ok band name that many people didn’t know was Liam. The image of Beady Eye being basically latter day Oasis minus Noel was never gonna sit right. He wrote the songs. Now he’s gone but the non songwriter guys were gonna shoulder the load for continued success? Was gonna be difficult to sell that idea. Liam is a brand name. People want that. He’s a star. I could have taken Oasis minus Noel if they'd kept up the Oasis attitude and image, but Beady Eye made a conscious effort to be as retro as possible in their early photoshoots and single covers, and it just didn't work. Here was a band whose members were approaching 40, deliberately angling not for a modern take on mod fashion, but a full-on retread. It made them look out of touch and uncool. It’s ONLY Oasis if it’s Liam and Noel. Accept no substitutes. |
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 30, 2017 18:40:43 GMT -5
I could have taken Oasis minus Noel if they'd kept up the Oasis attitude and image, but Beady Eye made a conscious effort to be as retro as possible in their early photoshoots and single covers, and it just didn't work. Here was a band whose members were approaching 40, deliberately angling not for a modern take on mod fashion, but a full-on retread. It made them look out of touch and uncool. It’s ONLY Oasis if it’s Liam and Noel. Accept no substitutes. I don't know, I was pretty ok with this lot for a good 20 years: |
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Post by wallofass on Nov 30, 2017 18:53:52 GMT -5
I could have taken Oasis minus Noel if they'd kept up the Oasis attitude and image, but Beady Eye made a conscious effort to be as retro as possible in their early photoshoots and single covers, and it just didn't work. Here was a band whose members were approaching 40, deliberately angling not for a modern take on mod fashion, but a full-on retread. It made them look out of touch and uncool. It’s ONLY Oasis if it’s Liam and Noel. Accept no substitutes. Very true, but if the singer of Oasis is singing Oasis songs and sounding great then im sorry but very few people are going to miss Noel. Thats why hes playing such huge venues as headliner. |
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Post by ricksanchez on Nov 30, 2017 18:58:53 GMT -5
It’s ONLY Oasis if it’s Liam and Noel. Accept no substitutes. I don't know, I was pretty ok with this lot for a good 20 years: A The Dark Side of the Moon song... Yes pulse is amazing especially the songs that were composed while Waters was part of the band, I skip the other songs tbh. Oasis was Liam and Noel. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2017 19:28:26 GMT -5
It’s ONLY Oasis if it’s Liam and Noel. Accept no substitutes. Very true, but if the singer of Oasis is singing Oasis songs and sounding great then im sorry but very few people are going to miss Noel. Thats why hes playing such huge venues as headliner. The people spoke. They didn’t want Oasis (Beady Eye) without Noel. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2017 19:30:36 GMT -5
It’s ONLY Oasis if it’s Liam and Noel. Accept no substitutes. I don't know, I was pretty ok with this lot for a good 20 years: That seems a little different. Not sure how old you are but I didn’t grow up with Pink Floyd in their famous lineup. I was born in 1981. Long after the classic lineup broke up. So I don’t have that attachment. However, so many of us on this forum journeyd with Oasis in real time from 1994 till when they broke up in 2009. If it isn’t Liam and Noel then I want no part in that version of Oasis. |
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Post by ricardogce on Nov 30, 2017 19:54:59 GMT -5
I don't know, I was pretty ok with this lot for a good 20 years: That seems a little different. Not sure how old you are but I didn’t grow up with Pink Floyd in their famous lineup. I was born in 1981. Long after the classic lineup broke up. So I don’t have that attachment. However, so many of us on this forum journeyd with Oasis in real time from 1994 till when they broke up in 2009. If it isn’t Liam and Noel then I want no part in that version of Oasis. That's a good point, by the time I was old enough to be interested in PF Waters had been gone over 10 years. |
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 30, 2017 20:00:31 GMT -5
It’s ONLY Oasis if it’s Liam and Noel. Accept no substitutes. I don't know, I was pretty ok with this lot for a good 20 years: Then Liam’s band would be Oasis now but don’t sound like it. That sounds awesome tho |
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Post by wallofass on Nov 30, 2017 20:57:28 GMT -5
Very true, but if the singer of Oasis is singing Oasis songs and sounding great then im sorry but very few people are going to miss Noel. Thats why hes playing such huge venues as headliner. The people spoke. They didn’t want Oasis (Beady Eye) without Noel. If that band was playing Oasis songs in half their set you'd have seen a very different outcome. Most the crowd are there for the Oasis songs at both their shows. Lets not deny that. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2017 22:35:01 GMT -5
The people spoke. They didn’t want Oasis (Beady Eye) without Noel. If that band was playing Oasis songs in half their set you'd have seen a very different outcome. Most the crowd are there for the Oasis songs at both their shows. Lets not deny that. If Liam kept the oasis band going after Noel quit trust me I’d have no interest. Wouldn’t feel real. Wouldn’t be natural. I don’t think it would have gone down well at all. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 30, 2017 22:38:37 GMT -5
If that band was playing Oasis songs in half their set you'd have seen a very different outcome. Most the crowd are there for the Oasis songs at both their shows. Lets not deny that. If Liam kept the oasis band going after Noel quit trust me I’d have no interest. Wouldn’t feel real. Wouldn’t be natural. I don’t think it would have gone down well at all. Ughhh, imagine DGSS under the Oasis name. That's like something from a nightmare. Imagine Don't Brother Me as a Oasis song. Makes me want to drink myself to death. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2017 22:52:46 GMT -5
If Liam kept the oasis band going after Noel quit trust me I’d have no interest. Wouldn’t feel real. Wouldn’t be natural. I don’t think it would have gone down well at all. Ughhh, imagine DGSS under the Oasis name. That's like something from a nightmare. Imagine Don't Brother Me as a Oasis song. Makes me want to drink myself to death. Its like when the Velvet Underground kept going after Lou Reed left. Gimme a break. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 1, 2017 0:29:52 GMT -5
If Liam kept the oasis band going after Noel quit trust me I’d have no interest. Wouldn’t feel real. Wouldn’t be natural. I don’t think it would have gone down well at all. Ughhh, imagine DGSS under the Oasis name. That's like something from a nightmare. Imagine Don't Brother Me as a Oasis song. Makes me want to drink myself to death. Yes that would have been a nightmare. The best thing Liam did was go solo. In hindsight Beady Eye was a disaster, even though I actually like a few of the songs. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 1, 2017 0:31:58 GMT -5
Ughhh, imagine DGSS under the Oasis name. That's like something from a nightmare. Imagine Don't Brother Me as a Oasis song. Makes me want to drink myself to death. Yes that would have been a nightmare. The best thing Liam did was go solo. In hindsight Beady Eye was a disaster, even though I actually like a few of the songs. Like Noel, Liam should have taken 2-3 years off. Come back as a solo artist. He's a name. A brand. People want him. Not another band. |
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Post by bergkamp2004 on Dec 1, 2017 3:03:29 GMT -5
Noel didn’t make top 40 in NZ! #1 in heat seekers charts. That’s the best of the rest chart. Abysmal.
Liam was #13. I hear Greedy Soul on radio a lot here. Not heard Noel once recently.
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Post by mancraider on Dec 1, 2017 4:21:01 GMT -5
Noel didn’t make top 40 in NZ! #1 in heat seekers charts. That’s the best of the rest chart. Abysmal. Liam was #13. I hear Greedy Soul on radio a lot here. Not heard Noel once recently. Didn't someone on here say Noel was finished in NZ after cancelling a show and getting bad press over it? Was it yourself? Anyway, if so, maybe not fully representative of his overall performance. |
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Post by bergkamp2004 on Dec 1, 2017 4:28:22 GMT -5
Noel didn’t make top 40 in NZ! #1 in heat seekers charts. That’s the best of the rest chart. Abysmal. Liam was #13. I hear Greedy Soul on radio a lot here. Not heard Noel once recently. Didn't someone on here say Noel was finished in NZ after cancelling a show and getting bad press over it? Was it yourself? Anyway, if so, maybe not fully representative of his overall performance. Yeah That was me. However people still talk of Oasis here in 1998 where Liam walked out half way through the gig in Wellington. So his rep isn’t that great haha |
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Post by GreedyTune on Dec 1, 2017 5:19:29 GMT -5
New charts announced in...7 HOURS 25 MINS
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 1, 2017 5:38:42 GMT -5
Very true, but if the singer of Oasis is singing Oasis songs and sounding great then im sorry but very few people are going to miss Noel. Thats why hes playing such huge venues as headliner. The people spoke. They didn’t want Oasis (Beady Eye) without Noel. The people spoke on the quality of the songs not on the fact it was a band without Noel. Had the songs been there it wouldn't have mattered. If they had of carried on with the Oasis name which of course they didn't then I would have agreed with you. |
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Post by janedoe on Dec 1, 2017 5:42:08 GMT -5
New charts announced in...7 HOURS 25 MINS The new U2 album has launched in Aus, straight to number 1 |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 1, 2017 8:47:13 GMT -5
The people spoke. They didn’t want Oasis (Beady Eye) without Noel. The people spoke on the quality of the songs not on the fact it was a band without Noel. Had the songs been there it wouldn't have mattered. If they had of carried on with the Oasis name which of course they didn't then I would have agreed with you. People didn’t want Beady Eye which was Oasis without Noel because he was the leader. He wrote the songs. Without him we all feared Beady Eye wouldn’t be able to produce an album of quality tunes. That ended up being the case. We all had reason to worry. It wasn’t unjustified. |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 1, 2017 8:54:34 GMT -5
New charts announced in...7 HOURS 25 MINS The new U2 album has launched in Aus, straight to number 1 I think what sustains U2 at this point is people buying the album just so they can add more righteous anger to their negative reviews ("I didn't stream it, I bought this shit!!") |
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Post by wallofass on Dec 1, 2017 9:41:42 GMT -5
If that band was playing Oasis songs in half their set you'd have seen a very different outcome. Most the crowd are there for the Oasis songs at both their shows. Lets not deny that. If Liam kept the oasis band going after Noel quit trust me I’d have no interest. Wouldn’t feel real. Wouldn’t be natural. I don’t think it would have gone down well at all. Well youd miss out, but crowds the size of finsbury park will have the time of their lives seeing him perform Oasis songs and i doubt Noel not coming on for The Masterplan and Dont Look Back In Anger (as good as that would be) will dampen their spirits. |
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