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Post by LlAM on Oct 10, 2017 4:11:42 GMT -5
That's such a strange assumption to make. That's like saying if Mars bars weren't chocolate people wouldn't like them. The fact that it's a song of noel doesn't make it a good song..(same for liam )...Be a fan doesn't mean love everything they do Imo(sorry for my english) I know, but it seems odd to say that people like it just because it's Noel. Of course people like it just because it's Noel. I like Mars bars just because they're chocolate. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 10, 2017 4:22:17 GMT -5
Straight 10/10! Noel back on form again, which we've not heard since 1997, and his best single since AATW. Simple as! Its amazing to think what that rating would mean for me. Of equal quality to Gimmie Shelter, Champagne Supernova, Strawberry Fields... A 5.5 for me. Its not horrible, its not great, goes on a bit long sounds a bit muddy and not a fan of Noel's vocal. It is fun and barrels along at a decent pace. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2017 4:31:46 GMT -5
The only thing I would fix is the mastering. This should be just a little bit more dynamically diverse. You're being too kind. For me, the mastering completely ruins an otherwise really good song. It terms of dynamics It is the worst sounding song Noel has ever done, no exaggeration. I cannot believe how bad it is! I think that's a complete exaggeration. In a world where there there's whole albums called Heathen Chemistry and DBTT, this isn't remotely close to how bad those songs sound. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 10, 2017 4:37:36 GMT -5
Straight 10/10! Noel back on form again, which we've not heard since 1997, and his best single since AATW. Simple as! Its amazing to think what that rating would mean for me. Of equal quality to Gimmie Shelter, Champagne Supernova, Strawberry Fields... A 5.5 for me. Its not horrible, its not great, goes on a bit long sounds a bit muddy and not a fan of Noel's vocal. It is fun and barrels along at a decent pace. I don't give 10/10 to many songs - Some Might Say, The Fame, AATW, Who Put The Weight of the World on my Shoulders. Everything in the Oasis Mk2 era ranks 7 at best (Go Let it Out, Hindu Times), and 1 at worst (at least 4 tracks on DOYS). |
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 10, 2017 4:44:05 GMT -5
Its amazing to think what that rating would mean for me. Of equal quality to Gimmie Shelter, Champagne Supernova, Strawberry Fields... A 5.5 for me. Its not horrible, its not great, goes on a bit long sounds a bit muddy and not a fan of Noel's vocal. It is fun and barrels along at a decent pace. I don't give 10/10 to many songs - Some Might Say, The Fame, AATW, Who Put The Weight of the World on my Shoulders. Everything in the Oasis Mk2 era ranks 7 at best (Go Let it Out, Hindu Times), and 1 at worst (at least 4 tracks on DOYS). WPTWOTWOMS 10/10? Come on now, really? The Turning for one kicks the shit out of that tune. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 10, 2017 4:58:02 GMT -5
I don't give 10/10 to many songs - Some Might Say, The Fame, AATW, Who Put The Weight of the World on my Shoulders. Everything in the Oasis Mk2 era ranks 7 at best (Go Let it Out, Hindu Times), and 1 at worst (at least 4 tracks on DOYS). WPTWOTWOMS 10/10? Come on now, really? The Turning for one kicks the shit out of that tune. Absolutely! It's the only decent thing to come out of the Oasis Mk2 era, and pisses over every album post 2000. For me it's Noel's finest hour, and probably sits at number 3 in my all time favourite Oasis songs. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Oct 10, 2017 5:00:38 GMT -5
WPTWOTWOMS 10/10? Come on now, really? The Turning for one kicks the shit out of that tune. Absolutely! It's the only decent thing to come out of the Oasis Mk2 era, and pisses over every album post 2000. For me it's Noel's finest hour, and probably sits at number 3 in my all time favourite Oasis songs. Fair play. To me it sounds like a whiney, watered down version of The Masterplan but each to their own  |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 10, 2017 5:11:54 GMT -5
Absolutely! It's the only decent thing to come out of the Oasis Mk2 era, and pisses over every album post 2000. For me it's Noel's finest hour, and probably sits at number 3 in my all time favourite Oasis songs. Fair play. To me it sounds like a whiney, watered down version of The Masterplan but each to their own I can see the comparison to Masterplan (which is also a great tune), but I think it edges it, due to the massive orchestra backing. I love multi-layered, OTT production (BHN is my favourite album), which is why I am also rating Holy Mountain so highly. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 10, 2017 5:46:00 GMT -5
You're being too kind. For me, the mastering completely ruins an otherwise really good song. It terms of dynamics It is the worst sounding song Noel has ever done, no exaggeration. I cannot believe how bad it is! I think that's a complete exaggeration. In a world where there there's whole albums called Heathen Chemistry and DBTT, this isn't remotely close to how bad those songs sound. I'm not exaggerating. The funny thing is is that this is done intentionally to create a wall of sound but Noel is on record saying that songs like 'Some Might Say' is a 'Horrible recording' and it sounds shit, yet here he is doing it all over again. I'm no expert but I know a badly produced song when I hear it and this is one. You complained yourself about the dynamics... What dynamics? It's completely void of them. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 10, 2017 6:10:52 GMT -5
I think that's a complete exaggeration. In a world where there there's whole albums called Heathen Chemistry and DBTT, this isn't remotely close to how bad those songs sound. I'm not exaggerating. The funny thing is is that this is done intentionally to create a wall of sound but Noel is on record saying that songs like 'Some Might Say' is a 'Horrible recording' and it sounds shit, yet here he is doing it all over again. I'm no expert but I know a badly produced song when I hear it and this is one. You complained yourself about the dynamics... What dynamics? It's completely void of them. You think this is a worse recording than BHN? |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2017 6:12:51 GMT -5
I think that's a complete exaggeration. In a world where there there's whole albums called Heathen Chemistry and DBTT, this isn't remotely close to how bad those songs sound. I'm not exaggerating. The funny thing is is that this is done intentionally to create a wall of sound but Noel is on record saying that songs like 'Some Might Say' is a 'Horrible recording' and it sounds shit, yet here he is doing it all over again. I'm no expert but I know a badly produced song when I hear it and this is one. You complained yourself about the dynamics... What dynamics? It's completely void of them. I don't think this is poorly produced at all, and we'll just agree to disagree on this front. |
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 10, 2017 6:23:39 GMT -5
I'm not exaggerating. The funny thing is is that this is done intentionally to create a wall of sound but Noel is on record saying that songs like 'Some Might Say' is a 'Horrible recording' and it sounds shit, yet here he is doing it all over again. I'm no expert but I know a badly produced song when I hear it and this is one. You complained yourself about the dynamics... What dynamics? It's completely void of them. You think this is a worse recording than BHN? Yes. I'll wait for the CD and make I final judgement but that was a rip from itunes which isn't too far from CD quality. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 8:24:33 GMT -5
I think my expectations on what I expected the song to sound like was different to what we actually got so it's taken me a while to digest it. Also I've been listening to Liam's album a lot and then I hear this so it's a big contrast to get used to. I think there will be songs on the album I enjoy more but after giving this song another listen this morning there is a lot of good things about it. I love the flutes for example. I like the energy and how upbeat it is.
I ordered the picture disc after hearing the album teaser, I'm still very excited to hear it.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 10, 2017 8:51:23 GMT -5
You think this is a worse recording than BHN? Yes. I'll wait for the CD and make I final judgement but that was a rip from itunes which isn't too far from CD quality. and how highly do you rate BHN? |
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 10, 2017 9:09:32 GMT -5
Yes. I'll wait for the CD and make I final judgement but that was a rip from itunes which isn't too far from CD quality. and how highly do you rate BHN? I love Be Here Now. I like this song too but that has nothing to do with the issue. |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 10, 2017 9:14:08 GMT -5
I liked more the fact that Noel is trying new stuffs with his music than the song itself.
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Post by thehyperbolist on Oct 10, 2017 9:27:30 GMT -5
To my non audiophile ears, only two Oasis albums seem have a proper mix, DOYS and SOTSOG. Well, maybe DM - but on that one didn’t they go back and strip out a bunch of guitar overdubs after Noel and co. were done with it (or something like that)?
For better or worse, I don’t listen to Noel’s tunes because of a mastery of the arts of mixing and producing....often, I listen in spite of the sound mix. But that’s just how much I enjoy his songwriting and musical vision, including this new celebratory tune. Other bands have better mixes, sound quality, etc. But they are missing that unique spark.
One of my favorite albums of all time sounds like a muddy mess - Exile on Main Street! Maybe a Bigger Bang is mixed better and all but who cares?!
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 10, 2017 10:00:05 GMT -5
One of my favorite albums of all time sounds like a muddy mess - Exile on Main Street! Maybe a Bigger Bang is mixed better and all but who cares?! If Exile was released today many people would moaning about the sound, as you've said Exile sounds like a muddy mess, it sounds like it was recorded in an old abandoned prison or something, actually it was recorded in a old mansion in France. When it was anounced that Exile would be remastered many people were worried whether the album would loose its identity, that characteristic muddy ethereal sound which created the album's fantastic atmosphere. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 10, 2017 10:06:31 GMT -5
and how highly do you rate BHN? I love Be Here Now. I like this song too but that has nothing to do with the issue. I admit the sound on this song is muddy, distorted. Well it sounds like that in my car, anyway. I haven't heard it through headphones yet. But I much prefer this type of multi-layered, loud, brickwall sound, compared to the clear, watered down, sanitised stuff we got throughout Oasis Mk 2 and Noel's last 2 albums. Those songs lacked edge somehow. This new single makes you want to crank up the volume loud, BHN style. I always felt Lock all the Doors needed that extra oomph. Had it been mixed by David Holmes it may have been. By the sounds of what we've heard so far, Noel is going back to his 90's roots in terms of the mixing, and for me its a welcome return. I think Noel's heart has always been wanting to throw the kitchen sink at his songs, but felt scarred and damaged after BHN, so has tended to shy away from it over the past 20 years. It's taken someone new with a fresh approach to reignite that in him again. |
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Post by rockitchris89 on Oct 10, 2017 10:19:28 GMT -5
5/10
I don't really dislike it, i just really don't care and don't wanna listen to it more often.Unfortunately there's nothing exciting in it and it's so not memorable, not at all. It just goes by, not giving me a cool melody (and Noel is the master of great melodies!)like 'It's a beautiful world' which i just can't get out of my head. Sadly, the only thing this song archived is making me not care for it.
I'm still pretty confident that i'll like the rest more ('in the heat of the moment' is a 6/10 song for me and i really like 'chasing yesterday').
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Post by beadybird11 on Oct 10, 2017 12:07:18 GMT -5
1st listen: This is terrible
4th listen: it's fine I guess, just different
17th listen: OK I love this, I'm sorry Liam don't hate me!
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Post by fj on Oct 10, 2017 12:51:35 GMT -5
I think my problem with this is that I was expecting something like Setting Sun and I got a 'Here's a candle (for your birthday cake) on Red Bull' kind of song.
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Post by juaaaaaaaaaaaaaan on Oct 10, 2017 14:10:57 GMT -5
people calling it experimental new direction but it's ye old g# d# c# with more distortion so... dont know what to expect.
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Post by matt on Oct 10, 2017 14:21:35 GMT -5
5/10 I don't really dislike it, i just really don't care and don't wanna listen to it more often.Unfortunately there's nothing exciting in it and it's so not memorable, not at all. It just goes by, not giving me a cool melody (and Noel is the master of great melodies!)like 'It's a beautiful world' which i just can't get out of my head. Sadly, the only thing this song archived is making me not care for it. I'm still pretty confident that i'll like the rest more ('in the heat of the moment' is a 6/10 song for me and i really like 'chasing yesterday'). See I went back to listen to Heat of the Moment and it just seems so tame in comparison to this one. I've never been the biggest Heat fan and although it had it's groovy, dance like elements to it, I always thought there was something massively missing. And that thing was relentless tempos. This is full frontal attention grabbing music, and the vocal melodies spit out the lyrics at a relentless pace. Often in the past it would be a long drawn out melody, but I love that the listener is really having to keep up with this one. It's a shock to the system in the best sense, a full on endorphin rush. As a result, the songs before just seem a bit stale and boring in stark contrast. |
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Post by dvlx on Oct 10, 2017 14:21:39 GMT -5
people calling it experimental new direction but it's ye old g# d# c# with more distortion so... dont know what to expect. Chord progression does not equal song style. It's completely different from just about anything he has done. |
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