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Post by AdidasNG72 on Sept 24, 2017 2:37:19 GMT -5
I wonder what happened with the artwork Brian Cannon was doing for NGHFB a couple of years ago. I never knew he did work on that? What happened? |
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Post by Ash & Debris on Sept 24, 2017 3:03:26 GMT -5
"The Man Who Built The Moon" would be a great, confident, bold album title.
"Who Built The Moon?" not so much, sounds naive and conspiratory.
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Post by morning_rain on Sept 24, 2017 3:04:37 GMT -5
I wonder what happened with the artwork Brian Cannon was doing for NGHFB a couple of years ago. I never knew he did work on that? What happened? Yeah he did something for Chasing Yesterday while he was working on the Chasing the sun project, but we don't know what happened with that. |
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Post by carlober on Sept 24, 2017 3:19:02 GMT -5
Not really important, but a page for Who Built the Moon? has appeared on this German website and on Amazon.de ( CD version and LP version). No tracklist or artwork but both sources are obviously confirming the Nov 24 date. EDIT: Amazon.it has the tracklist of the deluxe version. It's one disc only apparently and it's got just one extra track, i.e. that radio performance of Dead In The Water. link: www.amazon.it/exec/obidos/ASIN/B075M7B297/Who Built The Moon? (Deluxe Package CD) 1. Fort Knox 2. Holy Mountain 3. Keep On Reaching 4. It's A Beautiful World 5. She Taught Me How To Fly 6. Be Careful What You Wish For 7. Black & White Sunshine 8. Interlude (Wednesday Part 1) 9. If Love Is The Law 10. The Man Who Built The Moon 11. End Credits (Wednesday Part 2) 12. Dead In The Water (Live at RTÉ 2FM Studios, Dublin) [Bonus Track] |
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Post by mossy on Sept 24, 2017 3:29:33 GMT -5
On holiday, limited signal, just a quick note to say excitement levels are high. Great detective work carlober you sly beast. Love the artwork. Wouldn't be surprised if it is Julian House again. Echoes of Storm Thurgerson. Nice. Less fussed by the title to be honest, but then most Oasis album titles were naff, it'll probably grow on me. Ciao x |
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 24, 2017 3:35:18 GMT -5
Enjoy your holiday, mossy.  |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 24, 2017 5:24:58 GMT -5
On holiday, limited signal, just a quick note to say excitement levels are high. Great detective work carlober you sly beast. Love the artwork. Wouldn't be surprised if it is Julian House again. Echoes of Storm Thurgerson. Nice. Less fussed by the title to be honest, but then most Oasis album titles were naff, it'll probably grow on me. Ciao x It would make sense. We know the video for It's a Beautiful World was shot with a green screen, so there could be visuals like in the Shock of the Lightning video. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 5:45:09 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Sept 24, 2017 5:56:00 GMT -5
Neverland? That's interesting. |
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Post by icebreath on Sept 24, 2017 6:05:14 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds on tour with Michael Jackson's hologramOrder your tickets now!Special guests: Tony McCarroll, Paul McGuigan (Guigsy), Bono and 2pac hologram 
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Post by mostlyharmless on Sept 24, 2017 6:19:56 GMT -5
I dunno, Moyles said Noel spoke for quite a long time about how and why the record was made in their interview, so we may get a bit of an idea from that. As for when the single gets released, I reckon Noel would want it released on a Friday so that they get a full week's sales so the chart position is higher. Wall of Glass came out on a Wednesday from what I remember and might have got top 10 if they'd released it on the Friday, rather than have the strongest days' sales split over two weeks. Perhaps a snippet of the song with the interviews on Monday, then radio play Wednesday, release on Friday. Hopefully he'll just do it all in one go, but I'd be a pleasantly surprised. Good point, I forgot about that. It's intriguing, because it seems like he planned to just make an album in the normal way until David Holmes persuaded him otherwise, so I'm not sure about they 'why', it doesn't seem like he had any particular desire to change his whole approach. I wonder what was planted in his head? Fascinating this cycle. I think Noel's more frustrated than he's been allowing himself to show on the aborted AA collaboration. Didn't he claim at the beginning of working with AA that he's gonna make his own 'The Dark Side of The Moon'? It didn't end up well but he always has that ambition. If you compare his attitude on working with AA versus with David Holmes, on the former he said (paraphrasing) 'all I did was playing guitar...it's like I was making a record for them', on the latter he said 'writing in studio is great... in fact I'd like to write every album in studio from now on'. I believe the drastic change in embracing new approach is because this time he feels in control. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 24, 2017 6:40:33 GMT -5
Good point, I forgot about that. It's intriguing, because it seems like he planned to just make an album in the normal way until David Holmes persuaded him otherwise, so I'm not sure about they 'why', it doesn't seem like he had any particular desire to change his whole approach. I wonder what was planted in his head? Fascinating this cycle. I think Noel's more frustrated than he's been allowing himself to show on the aborted AA collaboration. Didn't he claim at the beginning of working with AA that he's gonna make his own 'The Dark Side of The Moon'? It didn't end up well but he always has that ambition. If you compare his attitude on working with AA versus with David Holmes, on the former he said (paraphrasing) 'all I did was playing guitar...it's like I was making a record for them', on the latter he said 'writing in studio is great... in fact I'd like to write every album in studio from now on'. I believe the drastic change in embracing new approach is because this time he feels in control. Listen to the Mike Rowe podcast I posted above. He talks about the AA having "tapes and tapes of [his] shit", and how they had a tendency to pick a take he was disatisfied with. It's not difficult to imagine how that would go down with Noel... |
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Sept 24, 2017 6:44:50 GMT -5
I think Noel's more frustrated than he's been allowing himself to show on the aborted AA collaboration. Didn't he claim at the beginning of working with AA that he's gonna make his own 'The Dark Side of The Moon'? It didn't end up well but he always has that ambition. If you compare his attitude on working with AA versus with David Holmes, on the former he said (paraphrasing) 'all I did was playing guitar...it's like I was making a record for them', on the latter he said 'writing in studio is great... in fact I'd like to write every album in studio from now on'. I believe the drastic change in embracing new approach is because this time he feels in control. Listen to the Mike Rowe podcast I posted above. He talks about the AA having "tapes and tapes of [his] shit", and how they had a tendency to pick a take he was disatisfied with. It's not difficult to imagine how that would go down with Noel... Very similar to what Noel told me a few years ago |
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 24, 2017 6:49:15 GMT -5
I honestly believe a baseline of good songwriting never left Noel - he just lost the confidence to push the songs with the right arrangements and producers. I always cite The Hindu Times for this. Perfect example of how essentially the same song can either become a heavy, hypnotic choon or a bland, semi-acoustic meh.
Writing in the studio, bringing in David Holmes, things being "mad different", Chris Moyles not liking it, the surreal artwork, a possible three instrumentals, comparisons to The Chemical Brothers and Discotheque...all of these suggest Noel has really made a decision to get this one right and push himself into more exciting territory. The last time he did that was in 2000, and if he had not fucked the tracklisting up there, we would have got a great album. Let's hope he can pull it off properly now.
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Post by mostlyharmless on Sept 24, 2017 6:58:49 GMT -5
I think Noel's more frustrated than he's been allowing himself to show on the aborted AA collaboration. Didn't he claim at the beginning of working with AA that he's gonna make his own 'The Dark Side of The Moon'? It didn't end up well but he always has that ambition. If you compare his attitude on working with AA versus with David Holmes, on the former he said (paraphrasing) 'all I did was playing guitar...it's like I was making a record for them', on the latter he said 'writing in studio is great... in fact I'd like to write every album in studio from now on'. I believe the drastic change in embracing new approach is because this time he feels in control. Listen to the Mike Rowe podcast I posted above. He talks about the AA having "tapes and tapes of [his] shit", and how they had a tendency to pick a take he was disatisfied with. It's not difficult to imagine how that would go down with Noel... Yeah that's what I mean. I guess in the AA project both sides were strong minded plus some bad communication and mistrust. It's good it's not a issue this time. |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 8:03:02 GMT -5
"The Man Who Built The Moon" would be a great, confident, bold album title. "Who Built The Moon?" not so much, sounds naive and conspiratory. The Man Who Built The Moon is veering perilously close into Bowie territory though, and he doesn't need ignorant folk to automatically assume he's ripping off Bowie now 'instead of The Beatles' as the cliche goes. I prefer Who Built The Moon. It's wacky, surreal, less pretentious, more ambiguous and not really anything like I've heard before. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 24, 2017 8:32:53 GMT -5
What's all this Neverland shit about then?
Where did that Dutch website get that from?
Odd.
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Post by freddy838 on Sept 24, 2017 8:46:02 GMT -5
Perhaps they changed the title at the last minute
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 8:46:06 GMT -5
Good point, I forgot about that. It's intriguing, because it seems like he planned to just make an album in the normal way until David Holmes persuaded him otherwise, so I'm not sure about they 'why', it doesn't seem like he had any particular desire to change his whole approach. I wonder what was planted in his head? Fascinating this cycle. I think Noel's more frustrated than he's been allowing himself to show on the aborted AA collaboration. Didn't he claim at the beginning of working with AA that he's gonna make his own 'The Dark Side of The Moon'? It didn't end up well but he always has that ambition. If you compare his attitude on working with AA versus with David Holmes, on the former he said (paraphrasing) 'all I did was playing guitar...it's like I was making a record for them', on the latter he said 'writing in studio is great... in fact I'd like to write every album in studio from now on'. I believe the drastic change in embracing new approach is because this time he feels in control. I think I have done Noel a disservice in the last few years with regards to the AA project. I thought him a luddite coward who was all talk and no action, and this perception wasn't helped in anyway by bringing the absolute definition of beige Dave Sardy back into the fold. I still think his debut solo album - although containing well written songs - is a production nightmare of the blandest kind imaginable. But the signs were there since 2008/09 that he was itching to do something a bit different (Falling Down AA version, talking about making a solo album with AA at the Wembley gigs in 2009). And in fairness to him, maybe it was just a matter of circumstances that stopped him from doing something different? These were - The surprising success of the first HFB album - Creative control as mentioned above being undermined with AA He must have had a different vision for Chasing Yesterday if he had sought out Holmes originally in early 2013 as the actual album sounds nothing like anything Holmes would work on, but more just an evolution of his first solo album. It's possible there was an arrangement whereby Holmes said to Noel 'I can't work with these songs as they are finished, go and record them in the conventional manner, and then we'll start something afresh together'. Holmes comes off as a forthright and honest guy in interviews so is perhaps the ideal creative partner for Noel and is able to get onto his level easily without losing the core essence of his music. And for all the claims I've thrown out of Noel being a luddite, it's easy to forget that the gestation period of this album has been four years so it's a credit to his patience, and maybe his eagerness and dedication to do something a bit different, that he has been so painstaking in the making of this album. In comparison to his fellow popular contemporaries (who I like), it's very ambitious. Would Coldplay ever do this with a producer like Holmes? No, they'd lick the arse of any 'hot at the moment' chart act and pander pathetically to the masses. Would U2 ever make an album for so long with just one producer? Well, yeah they'd take this long but only because they'd get cold feet over their material and bring in a host of MOR producers to produce bland singles. Noel's stuck to this album and this producer for a while - there must have been a confidence to the creative process. As said, I don't expect an 'experimental' album (if you think more sophisticated production is scary and experimental, then god help you). What I do expect however is much more variety to song styles and structure. Varied tempos and rhythms with more sophisticated instrumentation, something that is not one note with a tendency for the same tempos and used ideas that has often been the scourge of Noel at his weakest. I hope the patience pays off, and I hope this is the album he's always been wanting to make since the last days of Oasis. All speculation of course, but that's the fun of pre-album releases! |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 9:06:31 GMT -5
Perhaps they changed the title at the last minute Fucking hell, I hope not. Neverland is far too childish. |
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Post by carlober on Sept 24, 2017 9:08:18 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 24, 2017 9:13:40 GMT -5
Hahaha! In all fairness, Amazon and other retailers tend to give fake names to albums that haven't been announced yet to a) not give more information than they should and b) prevent people from preordering in case the quoted price is lower than the final one. Perhaps the title suggestion comes from Ignition themselves. I remember when the Sgt. Pepper box appeared on Amazon and the artist name was a reference to Spinal Tap. |
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Post by carlober on Sept 24, 2017 9:17:18 GMT -5
Hahaha! In all fairness, Amazon and other retailers tend to give fake names to albums that haven't been announced yet to a) not give more information than they should and b) prevent people from preordering in case the quoted price is lower than the final one. Perhaps the title suggestion comes from Ignition themselves. I remember when the Sgt. Pepper box appeared on Amazon and the artist name was a reference to Spinal Tap. Yeah, I think that's exactly what's happening here. It's called "Neverland" by Peter Pan on this Dutch store too, but the URL gives it away  www.eci.nl/muziek/who-built-the-moon-noel-gallaghers-high-flying-birds-5052945027029 |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 9:27:17 GMT -5
Oh shit, maybe all our protestations about Noel not being ambitious and 'experimental' over the years has flipped him over the edge, and he's written a flute based concept album about Peter Pan while donning a green costume with tights for his live performances.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 24, 2017 9:33:25 GMT -5
Oh shit, maybe all our protestations about Noel not being ambitious and 'experimental' over the years has flipped him over the edge, and he's written a flute based concept album about Peter Pan while donning a green costume with tights for his live performances. Pretty sure Ian Anderson did that around 45 years ago. Noel is such a thieving bastard. |
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