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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 9:37:31 GMT -5
Oh shit, maybe all our protestations about Noel not being ambitious and 'experimental' over the years has flipped him over the edge, and he's written a flute based concept album about Peter Pan while donning a green costume with tights for his live performances. Pretty sure Ian Anderson did that around 45 years ago. Noel is such a thieving bastard. "Noel Gallagher's just an Ian Anderson tribute act". |
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Post by Spaceman on Sept 24, 2017 10:36:07 GMT -5
A little bird told Liam this is not coming out until May tbh
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 24, 2017 10:41:29 GMT -5
Oh shit, maybe all our protestations about Noel not being ambitious and 'experimental' over the years has flipped him over the edge, and he's written a flute based concept album about Peter Pan while donning a green costume with tights for his live performances. Pretty sure Ian Anderson did that around 45 years ago. Noel is such a thieving bastard. God, I hate Jethro Tull. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 24, 2017 10:44:29 GMT -5
I think Noel's more frustrated than he's been allowing himself to show on the aborted AA collaboration. Didn't he claim at the beginning of working with AA that he's gonna make his own 'The Dark Side of The Moon'? It didn't end up well but he always has that ambition. If you compare his attitude on working with AA versus with David Holmes, on the former he said (paraphrasing) 'all I did was playing guitar...it's like I was making a record for them', on the latter he said 'writing in studio is great... in fact I'd like to write every album in studio from now on'. I believe the drastic change in embracing new approach is because this time he feels in control. I think I have done Noel a disservice in the last few years with regards to the AA project. I thought him a luddite coward who was all talk and no action, and this perception wasn't helped in anyway by bringing the absolute definition of beige Dave Sardy back into the fold. I still think his debut solo album - although containing well written songs - is a production nightmare of the blandest kind imaginable. But the signs were there since 2008/09 that he was itching to do something a bit different (Falling Down AA version, talking about making a solo album with AA at the Wembley gigs in 2009). And in fairness to him, maybe it was just a matter of circumstances that stopped him from doing something different? These were - The surprising success of the first HFB album - Creative control as mentioned above being undermined with AA He must have had a different vision for Chasing Yesterday if he had sought out Holmes originally in early 2013 as the actual album sounds nothing like anything Holmes would work on, but more just an evolution of his first solo album. It's possible there was an arrangement whereby Holmes said to Noel 'I can't work with these songs as they are finished, go and record them in the conventional manner, and then we'll start something afresh together'. Holmes comes off as a forthright and honest guy in interviews so is perhaps the ideal creative partner for Noel and is able to get onto his level easily without losing the core essence of his music. And for all the claims I've thrown out of Noel being a luddite, it's easy to forget that the gestation period of this album has been four years so it's a credit to his patience, and maybe his eagerness and dedication to do something a bit different, that he has been so painstaking in the making of this album. In comparison to his fellow popular contemporaries (who I like), it's very ambitious. Would Coldplay ever do this with a producer like Holmes? No, they'd lick the arse of any 'hot at the moment' chart act and pander pathetically to the masses. Would U2 ever make an album for so long with just one producer? Well, yeah they'd take this long but only because they'd get cold feet over their material and bring in a host of MOR producers to produce bland singles. Noel's stuck to this album and this producer for a while - there must have been a confidence to the creative process. As said, I don't expect an 'experimental' album (if you think more sophisticated production is scary and experimental, then god help you). What I do expect however is much more variety to song styles and structure. Varied tempos and rhythms with more sophisticated instrumentation, something that is not one note with a tendency for the same tempos and used ideas that has often been the scourge of Noel at his weakest. I hope the patience pays off, and I hope this is the album he's always been wanting to make since the last days of Oasis. All speculation of course, but that's the fun of pre-album releases! God, imagine Coldplay being produced by Holmes. That would be fucking amazing. Thinking of a darker and more atmospheric Viva La Vida kind of album. |
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Post by bt95 on Sept 24, 2017 10:53:18 GMT -5
A little bird told Liam this is not coming out until May tbh Pretty sure the little bird is very wrong, mate |
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Post by joladella on Sept 24, 2017 11:13:00 GMT -5
A little bird told Liam this is not coming out until May tbh Pretty sure the little bird is very wrong, mate Let's hope he's wrong, or this forum ... God, it would not be pretty! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 24, 2017 11:23:04 GMT -5
I think I have done Noel a disservice in the last few years with regards to the AA project. I thought him a luddite coward who was all talk and no action, and this perception wasn't helped in anyway by bringing the absolute definition of beige Dave Sardy back into the fold. I still think his debut solo album - although containing well written songs - is a production nightmare of the blandest kind imaginable. But the signs were there since 2008/09 that he was itching to do something a bit different (Falling Down AA version, talking about making a solo album with AA at the Wembley gigs in 2009). And in fairness to him, maybe it was just a matter of circumstances that stopped him from doing something different? These were - The surprising success of the first HFB album - Creative control as mentioned above being undermined with AA He must have had a different vision for Chasing Yesterday if he had sought out Holmes originally in early 2013 as the actual album sounds nothing like anything Holmes would work on, but more just an evolution of his first solo album. It's possible there was an arrangement whereby Holmes said to Noel 'I can't work with these songs as they are finished, go and record them in the conventional manner, and then we'll start something afresh together'. Holmes comes off as a forthright and honest guy in interviews so is perhaps the ideal creative partner for Noel and is able to get onto his level easily without losing the core essence of his music. And for all the claims I've thrown out of Noel being a luddite, it's easy to forget that the gestation period of this album has been four years so it's a credit to his patience, and maybe his eagerness and dedication to do something a bit different, that he has been so painstaking in the making of this album. In comparison to his fellow popular contemporaries (who I like), it's very ambitious. Would Coldplay ever do this with a producer like Holmes? No, they'd lick the arse of any 'hot at the moment' chart act and pander pathetically to the masses. Would U2 ever make an album for so long with just one producer? Well, yeah they'd take this long but only because they'd get cold feet over their material and bring in a host of MOR producers to produce bland singles. Noel's stuck to this album and this producer for a while - there must have been a confidence to the creative process. As said, I don't expect an 'experimental' album (if you think more sophisticated production is scary and experimental, then god help you). What I do expect however is much more variety to song styles and structure. Varied tempos and rhythms with more sophisticated instrumentation, something that is not one note with a tendency for the same tempos and used ideas that has often been the scourge of Noel at his weakest. I hope the patience pays off, and I hope this is the album he's always been wanting to make since the last days of Oasis. All speculation of course, but that's the fun of pre-album releases! God, imagine Coldplay being produced by Holmes. That would be fucking amazing. Thinking of a darker and more atmospheric Viva La Vida kind of album. To be fair Coldplay had a lot of cooks in that kitchen for Viva. Eno might have goften the glory but Markus Dravs is all over that album shaping sounds and mixing it. He’d soon blow up into a huge producing star in his own right. Jon Hopkins also contributed to the tone and feel of sounds. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Sept 24, 2017 11:23:58 GMT -5
A little bird told Liam this is not coming out until May tbh All yours, theyknowwhatimean  |
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 24, 2017 11:30:48 GMT -5
Hahaha! In all fairness, Amazon and other retailers tend to give fake names to albums that haven't been announced yet to a) not give more information than they should and b) prevent people from preordering in case the quoted price is lower than the final one. Perhaps the title suggestion comes from Ignition themselves. I remember when the Sgt. Pepper box appeared on Amazon and the artist name was a reference to Spinal Tap. Yeah, I think that's exactly what's happening here. It's called "Neverland" by Peter Pan on this Dutch store too, but the URL gives it away  www.eci.nl/muziek/who-built-the-moon-noel-gallaghers-high-flying-birds-5052945027029 Noel Gallagher's High Flying Peter Pan  |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 11:30:57 GMT -5
Fun fact: Gem Archer plays guitar on the David Holmes album Let's Get Killed. Can't remember which track, and it's not on wikipedia, but it's definitely there in the liner notes of the CD.
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Post by bestwick8 on Sept 24, 2017 11:39:51 GMT -5
Viva was the last good Coldplay album, the rest went too poppy and radio friendly.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 24, 2017 11:47:32 GMT -5
Fun fact: Gem Archer plays guitar on the David Holmes album Let's Get Killed. Can't remember which track, and it's not on wikipedia, but it's definitely there in the liner notes of the CD. The war between James Murphy and David Holmes is fascinating. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 24, 2017 11:51:34 GMT -5
It’s going to be so much fun waking up tomorrow and having a new Noel gallagher song out.
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 11:52:31 GMT -5
Fun fact: Gem Archer plays guitar on the David Holmes album Let's Get Killed. Can't remember which track, and it's not on wikipedia, but it's definitely there in the liner notes of the CD. The war between James Murphy and David Holmes is fascinating. What's all that about then? |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 11:55:00 GMT -5
It’s going to be so much fun waking up tomorrow and having a new Noel gallagher song out. Hope so,but it would be very predictable of Ignition to allow Noel to do interviews and only release the song on Friday. In an age of instant gratification where build ups are almost meaningless, it's really shoddy and complacent. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 24, 2017 11:57:07 GMT -5
The war between James Murphy and David Holmes is fascinating. What's all that about then? Big fall out between them in the late 90s, early 00s. Jealousy and rivalries. |
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Post by matt on Sept 24, 2017 12:09:43 GMT -5
What's all that about then? Big fall out between them in the late 90s, early 00s. Jealousy and rivalries. Yeah, just had a quick read about that - reads like a summary from some of the wilder moments of John Lennon's 'Lost Weekend' period. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 24, 2017 12:26:18 GMT -5
It’s going to be so much fun waking up tomorrow and having a new Noel gallagher song out. Would not get my hopes up too much if I were you. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 24, 2017 12:27:50 GMT -5
God, imagine Coldplay being produced by Holmes. That would be fucking amazing. Thinking of a darker and more atmospheric Viva La Vida kind of album. To be fair Coldplay had a lot of cooks in that kitchen for Viva. Eno might have goften the glory but Markus Dravs is all over that album shaping sounds and mixing it. He’d soon blow up into a huge producing star in his own right. Jon Hopkins also contributed to the tone and feel of sounds. I love VLV as it is and I wasn't talking about Holmes producing THAT one, I just meant it would be great if he would've produced an album by them and what I imagined it would sound like. |
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Sept 24, 2017 12:38:57 GMT -5
I will lay any person any bet that a new Noel Gallagher single will NOT be aired tomorrow. This will be quite easy pickings.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 24, 2017 12:43:55 GMT -5
What do we have tomorrow anyway ? Absolute Radio inteview in the morning, anything else ?
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Post by deasy on Sept 24, 2017 12:45:37 GMT -5
This thread escalated quickly. |
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Post by andycoleoasis on Sept 24, 2017 12:51:34 GMT -5
What do we have tomorrow anyway ? Absolute Radio inteview in the morning, anything else ? There will be something, the absolute radio advert for the interview says something along the lines of..... "We will be talking to Noel Gallagher about...well we can't tell you what about yet, but you will know by the time the interview comes" |
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Post by freddy838 on Sept 24, 2017 12:53:09 GMT -5
What do we have tomorrow anyway ? Absolute Radio inteview in the morning, anything else ? 6 Music interview as well. I think they'd advertise playing the new single more if they were actually going to. I'd be surprised if it got played, more likely announcing it all tomorrow with the single on Friday. |
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Post by GreedyTune on Sept 24, 2017 12:59:19 GMT -5
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