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Post by draper on Aug 1, 2017 12:03:52 GMT -5
I liked it then and I still do. They were popular at that time. 2 number one singles. Beatiful gigs at manchester statium. Sold out gig at madison square garden. Better album then Dig out your soul or heathen chemistry in my opinion. Those were good times. Sold out MSG with DOYS as well. Over the years I've seen so many smaller indie acts sell out the Garden. It does my head in. I use to use it as a big bench mark measuring stick but it's slightly lost its luster over the last 15 years. I'm not sure how so many acts are selling it out constantly. Phish are currently on a 13 nigh sell out run. Phish..who?  may be personal but i have better memories bout those songs and era then Dig out your soul. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 1, 2017 12:05:38 GMT -5
I liked it then and I still do. They were popular at that time. 2 number one singles. Beatiful gigs at manchester statium. Sold out gig at madison square garden. Better album then Dig out your soul or heathen chemistry in my opinion. Those were good times. Sold out MSG with DOYS as well. Over the years I've seen so many smaller indie acts sell out the Garden. It does my head in. I use to use it as a big bench mark measuring stick but it's slightly lost its luster over the last 15 years. I'm not sure how so many acts are selling it out constantly. Phish are currently on a 13 nigh sell out run. For me, DOYS is a far better album than DBTT. It's aged far more gracefully, Liam sounds great on it, Noel's offerings are better, it's production is solid, and it did push their sound. DBTT is just a bland poorly produced waste, with some of Liam's worst vocals. It's an overall cringey listen. At least, DOYS could come out today and not sound out of place. |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Aug 1, 2017 12:09:00 GMT -5
Fact is though, Importance Of Being Idle is the most important Oasis song since Be Here Now up until the very end.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 1, 2017 12:10:35 GMT -5
Sold out MSG with DOYS as well. Over the years I've seen so many smaller indie acts sell out the Garden. It does my head in. I use to use it as a big bench mark measuring stick but it's slightly lost its luster over the last 15 years. I'm not sure how so many acts are selling it out constantly. Phish are currently on a 13 nigh sell out run. For me, DOYS is a far better album than DBTT. It's aged far more gracefully, Liam sounds great on it, Noel's offerings are better, it's production is solid, and it did push their sound. DBTT is just a bland poorly produced waste, with some of Liam's worst vocals. It's an overall cringey listen. At least, DOYS could come out today and not sound out of place. I agree. Noel's song are miles better. Liam sounds great and the production blows DBTT out of the water. Not a total complete package but big improvements over HC and DBTT. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 1, 2017 12:42:00 GMT -5
Boy With the Blues>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Let There Be Love I agree. I can't stand Let There Be Love. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 1, 2017 12:46:38 GMT -5
Boy With the Blues>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Let There Be Love I agree. I can't stand Let There Be Love. I get why Sardy wanted it. DBTT was really lacking at one point. It had no Lyla, no Importance of Idel and he had to beg Noel to dig up Let There Be Love to be the big Oasis anthem of the album. That didn't really happen. Sure it went #2 or #3 but feel off fast. It achieved that succes on the backbone of the previous singles and Oasis branding. That song hasn't made much noise literally since it came out in 2005. Oasis anthem? I think not. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 1, 2017 12:54:40 GMT -5
I agree. I can't stand Let There Be Love. I get why Sardy wanted it. DBTT was really lacking at one point. It had no Lyla, no Importance of Idel and he had to beg Noel to dig up Let There Be Love to be the big Oasis anthem of the album. That didn't really happen. Sure it went #2 or #3 but feel off fast. It achieved that succes on the backbone of the previous singles and Oasis branding. That song hasn't made much noise literally since it came out in 2005. Oasis anthem? I think not. When DBTT came out in Spring 2005, many people loved this song, but it never did anything to me. I hated this line - "Come on, baby blue" and I still do. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 12:58:22 GMT -5
Let There Be Love is not ultra shit, but it's not in my Oasis top 50, that's for sure. Off DBBT, only TIOBI would be in that top.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 1, 2017 12:58:32 GMT -5
I get why Sardy wanted it. DBTT was really lacking at one point. It had no Lyla, no Importance of Idel and he had to beg Noel to dig up Let There Be Love to be the big Oasis anthem of the album. That didn't really happen. Sure it went #2 or #3 but feel off fast. It achieved that succes on the backbone of the previous singles and Oasis branding. That song hasn't made much noise literally since it came out in 2005. Oasis anthem? I think not. When DBTT came out in Spring 2005, many people loved this song, but it never did anything to me. I hated this line - "Come on, baby blue" and I still do. It's funny how a narrative takes shape and now becomes accepted as fact. DBTT is not some great Oasis comeback. HC was a big time hit in England and Europe. They played enormous gigs, same as SOTSOG tour and DBTT tour and DOYS tours. They all had the same level as success in America and all the post 2000 albums are unbalanced. Some good tunes. Some ok tunes. Some shit tunes. So what is so different about DBTT compared to HC? The singles off HC were better overall. Big time sales. To me this is one big Oasis myth. Same as it ever was. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 13:12:50 GMT -5
I actually wonder if they would have been better off taking a bigger break and working on some more tunes. Because while i do like some tunes on the album(mainly Turn Up The Sun and The Importance of Being Idle), i feel some of the others are rushed and have no place on a record, a bit like HC. If they waited a bit more, probably some of the good stuff they wrote for DOYS could have been used and have done a better record overall.
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Post by batfink30 on Aug 1, 2017 13:41:15 GMT -5
When DBTT came out in Spring 2005, many people loved this song, but it never did anything to me. I hated this line - "Come on, baby blue" and I still do. It's funny how a narrative takes shape and now becomes accepted as fact. DBTT is not some great Oasis comeback. HC was a big time hit in England and Europe. They played enormous gigs, same as SOTSOG tour and DBTT tour and DOYS tours. They all had the same level as success in America and all the post 2000 albums are unbalanced. Some good tunes. Some ok tunes. Some shit tunes. So what is so different about DBTT compared to HC? The singles off HC were better overall. Big time sales. To me this is one big Oasis myth. Same as it ever was. As far as I can remember "Idle" was a pretty big hit in the UK. I remember it being played in pubs all the time and in general people loving it. Apart from that i dont think the album caused much stir in general. Lyla was a bit of a flop. |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 1, 2017 16:53:32 GMT -5
Fact is though, Importance Of Being Idle is the most important Oasis song since Be Here Now up until the very end. At the time TIOBI blew my mind, it was so refreshing, it wasn't another DLBIA wannabe like Little by Little was, everything about the song is great: the pace, Noel's falsetto, production, lyrics, guitars. |
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 1, 2017 17:01:06 GMT -5
The thing which I don't like about the album is that the production is very uneven, some of the songs are well produced like TIOBI, LYLA, MF, POTQ, TUTS, on the other hand some of the others aren't, I won't never forgive Liam's horrible take on Love Like A Bomb, he just ruined a beautifull melody, and the production on Keep The Dream Alive is a total mess, sometimes I just don't know what is happening on the song.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 18:03:54 GMT -5
It may be the worst, but it's like saying your the poorest millionaire.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Aug 2, 2017 19:17:03 GMT -5
Geezer needs excitement, if his life doesn't provide it then he spouts nonsense. Common sense, simple common sense. What a way. What a way. |
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Post by World71R on Aug 2, 2017 23:38:11 GMT -5
The thing which I don't like about the album is that the production is very uneven, some of the songs are well produced like TIOBI, LYLA, MF, POTQ, TUTS, on the other hand some of the others aren't, I won't never forgive Liam's horrible take on Love Like A Bomb, he just ruined a beautifull melody, and the production on Keep The Dream Alive is a total mess, sometimes I just don't know what is happening on the song. I agree. I would add in Guess God Thinks I'm Abel and (imo) Let There Be Love to the well-produced list; GGTIA especially since they really nailed the intimate, acoustic sound (except for the unnecessary ending). Back to your point, LLAB is a case where the demo almost sounds better than the album version (vocal take especially) and KTDA starts off so well and has such a nice feeling to it but lacks a certain consistency. Had it been given the type of approach Lyla was given (like it sounded like it was going for initially), it would've lived up to that good feeling and possibly even a valid standout from the album. As for the other songs you didn't mention, ABWR has a good riff but is unfinished, MF is fun but it's a Velvet Underground rip-off with a little bit of Dylan mixed in, and TMOS is fun but the very similar Eyeball Tickler is much better. Throw in Pass Me Down the Wine where ABWR is, then Lord Don't Slow Me Down where MF is, with some more consistent production on all of the songs, and you have a very good album. |
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Post by World71R on Aug 2, 2017 23:45:56 GMT -5
I actually wonder if they would have been better off taking a bigger break and working on some more tunes. Because while i do like some tunes on the album(mainly Turn Up The Sun and The Importance of Being Idle), i feel some of the others are rushed and have no place on a record, a bit like HC. If they waited a bit more, probably some of the good stuff they wrote for DOYS could have been used and have done a better record overall. With that said, imagine an album of: 1. Turn Up the Sun 2. Bag it Up 3. The Turning 4. The Shock of the Lightning 5. The Importance of Being Idle 6. Eyeball Tickler 7. I'm Outta Time 8. Lyla 9. Part of the Queue 10. Falling Down 11. Boy With the Blues |
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Post by The Chief on Aug 3, 2017 7:33:08 GMT -5
I actually wonder if they would have been better off taking a bigger break and working on some more tunes. Because while i do like some tunes on the album(mainly Turn Up The Sun and The Importance of Being Idle), i feel some of the others are rushed and have no place on a record, a bit like HC. If they waited a bit more, probably some of the good stuff they wrote for DOYS could have been used and have done a better record overall. With that said, imagine an album of: 1. Turn Up the Sun 2. Bag it Up 3. The Turning 4. The Shock of the Lightning 5. The Importance of Being Idle 6. Eyeball Tickler 7. I'm Outta Time 8. Lyla 9. Part of the Queue 10. Falling Down 11. Boy With the Blues Of dear lord no. You can't mix these two albums, they're completely different. That wouldn't sound right. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 7:48:51 GMT -5
I actually wonder if they would have been better off taking a bigger break and working on some more tunes. Because while i do like some tunes on the album(mainly Turn Up The Sun and The Importance of Being Idle), i feel some of the others are rushed and have no place on a record, a bit like HC. If they waited a bit more, probably some of the good stuff they wrote for DOYS could have been used and have done a better record overall. With that said, imagine an album of: 1. Turn Up the Sun 2. Bag it Up 3. The Turning 4. The Shock of the Lightning 5. The Importance of Being Idle 6. Eyeball Tickler 7. I'm Outta Time 8. Lyla 9. Part of the Queue 10. Falling Down 11. Boy With the Blues Doesn't really work, mate. Also, Eyeball Tickler is one of Oasis worst tunes ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 8:06:37 GMT -5
Got bored this morning.... Below is a table showing 3 things mostly: 1) How I rank the tracks from each album cycle. 2) How I rank each track against the other two albums. 3) Total points achieved. | Heathen Chemistry
| | Don't Believe The Truth
| | Dig Out Your Soul
| 3 3 1 3 2 1 3 2 3 3 1 1 | Stop Crying Your Heart Out
The Hindu Times
Little By Little
Songbird
Born on a Different Cloud
Better Man
She Is Love
Force Of Nature
(Probably) All In The Mind
The Cage
Hung In A Bad Place
A Quick Peep
| 2 1 2 1 3 2 1 1 1 2 2 2 | Part Of The Queue
The Importance of Being Idle
Lyla
Let There Be Love
Lord Don't Slow Me Down
Turn Up The Sun
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel
Mucky fingers
The Meaning of Soul
Love Like A Bomb
A Bell Will Ring
Keep The Dream Alive
| 1 2 3 2 1 3 2 3 2 1 3 3 | The Turning
Falling Down
The Shock Of The Lightning
Bag It up
The Boy With The Blues
Waiting For The Rapture
I'm Outta Time
(Get Of Your) High Horse Lady
Aint Got Nothin
soldier On
To Be Where There's Life
The Nature of Reality
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Take away... Looking at this, it is pretty clear to me that Don't Believe The Truth is certainly NOT the worst Oasis album. For me anyway. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 3, 2017 9:19:22 GMT -5
Got bored this morning.... Below is a table showing 3 things mostly: 1) How I rank the tracks from each album cycle. 2) How I rank each track against the other two albums. 3) Total points achieved. | Heathen Chemistry
| | Don't Believe The Truth
| | Dig Out Your Soul
| 3 3 1 3 2 1 3 2 3 3 1 1 | Stop Crying Your Heart Out
The Hindu Times
Little By Little
Songbird
Born on a Different Cloud
Better Man
She Is Love
Force Of Nature
(Probably) All In The Mind
The Cage
Hung In A Bad Place
A Quick Peep
| 2 1 2 1 3 2 1 1 1 2 2 2 | Part Of The Queue
The Importance of Being Idle
Lyla
Let There Be Love
Lord Don't Slow Me Down
Turn Up The Sun
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel
Mucky fingers
The Meaning of Soul
Love Like A Bomb
A Bell Will Ring
Keep The Dream Alive
| 1 2 3 2 1 3 2 3 2 1 3 3 | The Turning
Falling Down
The Shock Of The Lightning
Bag It up
The Boy With The Blues
Waiting For The Rapture
I'm Outta Time
(Get Of Your) High Horse Lady
Aint Got Nothin
soldier On
To Be Where There's Life
The Nature of Reality
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Take away... Looking at this, it is pretty clear to me that Don't Believe The Truth is certainly NOT the worst Oasis album. For me anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 9:28:32 GMT -5
Yep. Confusing seems to make sense with the nature of the thread. would a graph help?  ----- I'm loving how active you are today Lennon2217 |
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Post by Aman on Aug 3, 2017 9:28:50 GMT -5
lol yeah.
I'm confused
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 3, 2017 9:32:37 GMT -5
Yep. Confusing seems to make sense with the nature of the thread. would a graph help? ----- I'm loving how active you are today Lennon2217 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 9:45:51 GMT -5
Got bored this morning.... Below is a table showing 3 things mostly: 1) How I rank the tracks from each album cycle. 2) How I rank each track against the other two albums. 3) Total points achieved. | Heathen Chemistry
| | Don't Believe The Truth
| | Dig Out Your Soul
| 3 3 1 3 2 1 3 2 3 3 1 1 | Stop Crying Your Heart Out
The Hindu Times
Little By Little
Songbird
Born on a Different Cloud
Better Man
She Is Love
Force Of Nature
(Probably) All In The Mind
The Cage
Hung In A Bad Place
A Quick Peep
| 2 1 2 1 3 2 1 1 1 2 2 2 | Part Of The Queue
The Importance of Being Idle
Lyla
Let There Be Love
Lord Don't Slow Me Down
Turn Up The Sun
Guess God Thinks I'm Abel
Mucky fingers
The Meaning of Soul
Love Like A Bomb
A Bell Will Ring
Keep The Dream Alive
| 1 2 3 2 1 3 2 3 2 1 3 3 | The Turning
Falling Down
The Shock Of The Lightning
Bag It up
The Boy With The Blues
Waiting For The Rapture
I'm Outta Time
(Get Of Your) High Horse Lady
Aint Got Nothin
soldier On
To Be Where There's Life
The Nature of Reality
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Take away... Looking at this, it is pretty clear to me that Don't Believe The Truth is certainly NOT the worst Oasis album. For me anyway. After about 5 minutes, I think I've worked out what the table means....  So is it each album is sorted with the best track at the top of the pile, and the worst at the bottom? Then, the numbers next to each track is a comparison with the equally ranked track from the other two albums [So, The Turning > POTQ > SCYHO on the top row , TIOBI > Falling Down > THT on the second row, etc..?], showing which album has the 'worst best track' and the 'best worst track'? |
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