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Post by matt on Mar 2, 2017 20:12:20 GMT -5
alls noel has to do is plug the electric guitar in, turn the amp up to 11, decent bass guitar, overdub his little melodic lead guitar parts, get a decent powerhouse drummer and youve got the best oasis-related album since morning glory. The songs are already there, its not that hard. Except Noel's voice doesn't suit that style. |
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Post by ariananana on Mar 2, 2017 20:49:03 GMT -5
I still fucking love this record. Not tired of it at all which is shocking.....even for me.
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Post by aky on Mar 2, 2017 22:02:37 GMT -5
I reckon noels best ever vocal performance is acoustic version of where did it all go wrong.
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Post by ariananana on Mar 2, 2017 22:59:24 GMT -5
I reckon noels best ever vocal performance is acoustic version of where did it all go wrong. Noel's best ever vocal performance, in my opinion, is the acoustic version of Dying of the Light on RTE2FM.....that takes me there |
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 3, 2017 5:04:50 GMT -5
Great album. Much better than the debut album. And many many light years better than DOYS. Totally, I listened to it yesterday and it's still really enjoyable. Perhaps not his greatest bunch of songs but they're dressed up so much better than most of his output for nearly two decades. It builds up nicely until Ballad Of The Mighty I which just makes the whole album come together, especially the second half of the song. I still have a few minor quibbles with the na na nas which should have been horns and the guitars in Lock All The Doors, but on the whole a really good album. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 3, 2017 5:32:27 GMT -5
I think Ballad of the Mighty I is with Little by Little and Wonderwall the song the that divide the Oasis fanbase the most. You love or hate it. Except that Wonderwall is a fucking pop masterpiece and the majority of the fanbase does love it. But you're right, BOTMI is like a modern version of Little By Little. They don't sound alike at all but both have a forced chorus and a shit guitar sound.Nowadays, Noel is so much better when he doesn't try to write a single type tune (Alone On The Rope, While The Song...). Those introspective tunes fit his voice way more too. Exactly. It's a song written for the radio, for the masses, in mind. It worked in the 90s, but Noel seem to have lost that freshness in songwriting so he should try something else. On CS, his best songs are the less commercial. And i agree about the guitar, my god, it's awful. That chord break just before the bridge, cringeworthy. Like a bad 80s tune. |
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Post by draper on Mar 3, 2017 5:36:18 GMT -5
I love 'Ballad Of The Mighty I'. Best track on the album.
For me Chasing Yesterday is a better album then the debut.
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Post by dadrocker on Mar 3, 2017 8:03:43 GMT -5
Ballad Of The Mighty I is superior to 90% of the post 1990s oasis output. It's a killer track however I don't think it works well live. It's really close to working live. I got the chance to hear it in NYC the last time he was round and it starts off like a beast. Loses something along the way but I'm still I got to hear it. Maybe a different arrangement ala CS or Fade Away would suit it for live purposes. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 3, 2017 8:10:49 GMT -5
Heard it live twice, sounds great both times. Noel has quite a powerful voice, wjich songs like this and Everybody's On The Run bring out best and he could definitely hit the notes.
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Post by aky on Mar 3, 2017 9:33:25 GMT -5
Except that Wonderwall is a fucking pop masterpiece and the majority of the fanbase does love it. But you're right, BOTMI is like a modern version of Little By Little. They don't sound alike at all but both have a forced chorus and a shit guitar sound.Nowadays, Noel is so much better when he doesn't try to write a single type tune (Alone On The Rope, While The Song...). Those introspective tunes fit his voice way more too. Exactly. It's a song written for the radio, for the masses, in mind. It worked in the 90s, but Noel seem to have lost that freshness in songwriting so he should try something else. On CS, his best songs are the less commercial. And i agree about the guitar, my god, it's awful. That chord break just before the bridge, cringeworthy. Like a bad 80s tune. Disagree that he wrote wonderwall "for the masses". Its no different to a lot of the songs he wrote back then, (in terms of chords used and structure). Noel had his own little style and way with melodies back then, and writing a song like wonderwall happens almost accidentally. You just keep writing and writing, and every once in while a gem like wonderwall comes along. Its probably one of the best melodies he ever wrote. One thing I noticed about the melody of wonderwall is how is slows down gradually. The verse starts with 17 syllables, almost like a spoken word. Then the bridge is a slower melody with 11 syllables, its slighty more melancholic. Finally, the hook of the chorus, just 2 syllables. May-Be. Its something so subtle but that's what makes the song so catchy. Yet you only sub-consciously hear it. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 4, 2017 5:10:12 GMT -5
Exactly. It's a song written for the radio, for the masses, in mind. It worked in the 90s, but Noel seem to have lost that freshness in songwriting so he should try something else. On CS, his best songs are the less commercial. And i agree about the guitar, my god, it's awful. That chord break just before the bridge, cringeworthy. Like a bad 80s tune. Disagree that he wrote wonderwall "for the masses". Its no different to a lot of the songs he wrote back then, (in terms of chords used and structure). Noel had his own little style and way with melodies back then, and writing a song like wonderwall happens almost accidentally. You just keep writing and writing, and every once in while a gem like wonderwall comes along. Its probably one of the best melodies he ever wrote. One thing I noticed about the melody of wonderwall is how is slows down gradually. The verse starts with 17 syllables, almost like a spoken word. Then the bridge is a slower melody with 11 syllables, its slighty more melancholic. Finally, the hook of the chorus, just 2 syllables. May-Be. Its something so subtle but that's what makes the song so catchy. Yet you only sub-consciously hear it. I'll give you that, probably not the best example ! As for the song structure, yes very interesting, I remember reading Liam hated it first because the melody sounded like a rap song to him. Noel also rejected Guigsy's bass line and went for a more reggae bass line... There's no denying it sounds unique, the guitar sound is stellar, the drums well, of my god. Even the fake strings sound like real strings. MG as a whole is really a moment of "right here right now, this is history". When you can do no wrong. Mighty I ? Nooot so much  |
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Post by wozdareden on Mar 4, 2017 6:25:59 GMT -5
To help me thinking about which one is the best Noel stuff between NGHFB & CY, I tried to make a tracklist.
1) Everybody's on the run
2) Riverman
3) If I had a gun
4) The death of you and me
5) A simple game of genius
6) The right stuff
7) While the song remains the same
8) Soldier boys & Jesus freaks
9) The dying of the light
10) Alone on the rope
Honorable mentions :
Broken Arrow
Let The Lord Shine A Light On Me
Lock All The Doors
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Post by Adam on Mar 4, 2017 10:44:18 GMT -5
I can't claim to have much of an idea about production, but I still enjoy revisiting both albums from time to time, and the age difference sounds vast due to (what I can only describe as) the aged effect added to Noel's debut. Chasing Yesterday sounds fresh in comparison but both albums are strong efforts and have their merits.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 4, 2017 15:38:16 GMT -5
Just listen to CY. Only complaint is have about is the poor lyrics. I think, lyrically, it's Noel's most forgettable album.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Mar 4, 2017 15:57:24 GMT -5
Just listen to CY. Only complaint is have about is the poor lyrics. I think, lyrically, it's Noel's most forgettable album. I think WTSRTS and DOTL are up there with his best lyrics... |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 4, 2017 17:22:22 GMT -5
Just listen to CY. Only complaint is have about is the poor lyrics. I think, lyrically, it's Noel's most forgettable album. I think WTSRTS and DOTL are up there with his best lyrics... I mean, two songs out of ten?  But in an overall sense, the lyrics to Riverman, lock all the doors, the right stuff, the girl with x-Ray eyes, You Know We Cant Go Back and the Mexican are all filled with cringe worthy lyrics at best. Overall, lyrically, it's a forgettable album. |
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Post by AppleScruff on Mar 6, 2017 17:44:55 GMT -5
Said this before but probably the best thing about this album for me is that 30 second intro on 'While The Song Remains the Same'. Most progressive sounding recorded audio from Noel in over 15 years. Really? I like the song a lot but it always strikes me as a Charlatans rip off.... Although can't quite put my finger on exactly which song it's lifted from |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 6, 2017 18:19:16 GMT -5
Said this before but probably the best thing about this album for me is that 30 second intro on 'While The Song Remains the Same'. Most progressive sounding recorded audio from Noel in over 15 years. Really? I like the song a lot but it always strikes me as a Charlatans rip off.... Although can't quite put my finger on exactly which song it's lifted from 'The Only One I Know'? Maybe that's just me though... |
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Post by glider on Mar 6, 2017 18:31:59 GMT -5
Said this before but probably the best thing about this album for me is that 30 second intro on 'While The Song Remains the Same'. Most progressive sounding recorded audio from Noel in over 15 years. Really? I like the song a lot but it always strikes me as a Charlatans rip off.... Although can't quite put my finger on exactly which song it's lifted from Well I'm just talking about the intro in particular, not the song itself. The melody of the song is good along with the lyrics makes it my favorite track on the album. |
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Post by AppleScruff on Mar 7, 2017 2:37:55 GMT -5
Really? Â I like the song a lot but it always strikes me as a Charlatans rip off.... Although can't quite put my finger on exactly which song it's lifted from 'The Only One I Know'? Maybe that's just me though... Puts me in mind of Then |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 7, 2017 11:42:57 GMT -5
Just listen to CY. Only complaint is have about is the poor lyrics. I think, lyrically, it's Noel's most forgettable album. Girl with X-Ray Eyes is a career low lyric wise, both the title itself and about 90% of the lyrics. I like the melody even if it's a very obvious ripoff, but it's one of the few songs where the lyrics actively keep me from listening to it. You Know We Can't Go Back though? That's classic Noel, a bit stereotypical maybe, but I don't know what to dislike about its lyrics. |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 7, 2017 12:07:07 GMT -5
Just listen to CY. Only complaint is have about is the poor lyrics. I think, lyrically, it's Noel's most forgettable album. Girl with X-Ray Eyes is a career low lyric wise, both the title itself and about 90% of the lyrics. I like the melody even if it's a very obvious ripoff, but it's one of the few songs where the lyrics actively keep me from listening to it. You Know We Can't Go Back though? That's classic Noel, a bit stereotypical maybe, but I don't know what to dislike about its lyrics. "Maybe I believe in magic love, I find it in the moon and stars above I'll drag you from the one horse town That'll bring you down And I'll love you for all time" .....  It's just so........blah. It makes me cringe every single time. |
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Post by schorman on Mar 9, 2017 13:24:46 GMT -5
Girl with X-Ray Eyes is a career low lyric wise, both the title itself and about 90% of the lyrics. I like the melody even if it's a very obvious ripoff, but it's one of the few songs where the lyrics actively keep me from listening to it. You Know We Can't Go Back though? That's classic Noel, a bit stereotypical maybe, but I don't know what to dislike about its lyrics. "Maybe I believe in magic love, I find it in the moon and stars above I'll drag you from the one horse town That'll bring you down And I'll love you for all time" ..... It's just so........blah. It makes me cringe every single time. Still better than this though: "They say that you need love Just like a kid on crack? I got a feeling that what you are Is kind of holding you back" I can't stand that opening verse of "The Mexican." |
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Mar 12, 2017 23:09:19 GMT -5
It's an absolutely garbage album and the first solo album wasn't much better really.
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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 5, 2017 7:03:16 GMT -5
Good album to listen to. However, I find myself getting a little bored by the time Dying Of The Light is half way through and it doesn't pick-up again till The Mexican.
In The Heat Of The Moment
Lock All The Doors
While The Song Remains The Same (on a good day, sometimes I do get very VERY bored on a playthrough)
You Know We Can't Go Back
Ballad Of The Mighty I
Them are the only ones I will listen to in the future I feel. The rest just drag in some way or other. Never understood the love on this forum for The Right Stuff. I absolutely detest it!
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