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Post by Zingbot on Nov 30, 2019 23:24:12 GMT -5
Rule of thumb: If the critics think it's shit, the artist thinks it's shit, and the general public thinks it's shit, it's probably shit.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 30, 2019 23:28:29 GMT -5
You kinda took an off hand remark about Noel thinking the album sucks to make it sound like I had used it as evidence for my claim. When in reality, my evidence is that the album is piss poor and too long.
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Post by Zingbot on Nov 30, 2019 23:34:55 GMT -5
1. Over produced. Can't hear the bass, turn that shit down. 2. Too long. Don't wanna check the time halfway through the album. 3. No real stand out tracks. Only come back to my big mouth and don't go away. 4. Shit Lyrics. Made a meal and through it up on sunday, I've got a lot of things to learn. 5.Noel doesn't like it(this one is hear as an argument from authority to psychologically manipulate my piers)
In all seriousness, I think you over analyze everything I say. There isn't a deeper meaning behind everything I say, so no need to analyze my thought process. Tired of this argument, good night, live every day like it's your last, and enjoy the ride!😀
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Post by sgtpeppr on Nov 30, 2019 23:52:47 GMT -5
1. Over produced. Can't hear the bass, turn that shit down. 2. Too long. Don't wanna check the time halfway through the album. 3. No real stand out tracks. Only come back to my big mouth and don't go away. 4. Shit Lyrics. Made a meal and through it up on sunday, I've got a lot of things to learn. 5.Noel doesn't like it(this one is hear as an argument from authority to psychologically manipulate my piers) In all seriousness, I think you over analyze everything I say. There isn't a deeper meaning behind everything I say, so no need to analyze my thought process. Tired of this argument, good night, live every day like it's your last, and enjoy the ride!😀 fair enough. those are all valid reasons...for you. but its funny, you say my whole point was to remind you that opinions are subjective, yet you just keep going on as if they werent. making statements like theyre true.
not trying to be passive aggressive, but your 'rule of thumb' is just another fallacy. its an argument ad populum. as tho, if the world believes it, then its true.
and im not analyzing your 'thought process'. im replying directly to things youve said...
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 1, 2019 9:49:01 GMT -5
I state my opinions as fact. 'This song sucks', things of that nature, most humans do. That doesn't mean I actually believe that my opinions are factual. It's a rule of thumb, because there are exceptions, for example, religion. But if everybody you encounter thinks it's shit, you'll probably think it's shit too, because people make judgements for reasons. You however, may not see or agree with these reasons.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Dec 2, 2019 1:40:07 GMT -5
Rule of thumb: If the critics think it's shit, the artist thinks it's shit, and the general public thinks it's shit, it's probably shit. Critics gave it 5 stars at the time of its release. Liam has gone on record saying its his favourite Oasis album. Who cares what Noel thinks. Who says the general public say its shit? Its still my favourite Oasis album (and many others feel just like me too).
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 2, 2019 9:43:55 GMT -5
Rule of thumb: If the critics think it's shit, the artist thinks it's shit, and the general public thinks it's shit, it's probably shit. Critics gave it 5 stars at the time of its release. Liam has gone on record saying its his favourite Oasis album. Who cares what Noel thinks. Who says the general public say its shit? Its still my favourite Oasis album (and many others feel just like me too). Emphasis on at the time, critics since then have settled for much less favorable reviews. Noel wrote every song on it, Liam wrote none, so if anything Noels opinion matters more than Liams. If anything, the general public is incredibly split on this album. Take this section from wikipedia: By the end of 1997, Be Here Now had sold eight million units worldwide. However, most sales came from the first two weeks of release, and once the album was released to UK radio stations the turnover tapered off. Buyers realised that the album was not another (What's the Story) Morning Glory?, and by 1999, Melody Maker reported that it was the album most sold to second-hand record stores. In the 2003 John Dower-directed documentary Live Forever: The Rise and Fall of Brit Pop, music critic Jon Savage pinpointed Be Here Now as the moment where the Britpop movement ended. Savage said that while the album "isn't the great disaster that everybody says", he noted that " t was supposed to be the big, big triumphal record" of the period. Q expressed similar sentiments, writing, "So colossally did Be Here Now fall short of expectations that it killed Britpop and ushered in an era of more ambitious, less overblown music." Irish Times journalist Brian Boyd wrote: "Bloated and over-heated (much like the band themselves at the time), the album has all that dreadful braggadocio that is so characteristic of a cocaine user." Reflecting in 2007, Garry Mulholland said: "The fact that nothing could have lived up to the fevered expectations that surrounded its release doesn't change the facts. The third Oasis album is a loud, lumbering noise signifying nothing."
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 14:41:11 GMT -5
Why would Noel's opinion mean more than Liam's? It's common for songwriters to have completely different opinions on their own songs than other people, it's hard to judge your own work accurately. Doesn't mean a song is shite only because the songwriter hates it, they can have personal reasons for not liking something they've done.
And the lyrics are shite? IMO BHN has the best lyrics out of all Oasis albums.
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Post by sgtpeppr on Dec 2, 2019 22:59:04 GMT -5
I state my opinions as fact. 'This song sucks', things of that nature, most humans do. That doesn't mean I actually believe that my opinions are factual. It's a rule of thumb, because there are exceptions, for example, religion. But if everybody you encounter thinks it's shit, you'll probably think it's shit too, because people make judgements for reasons. You however, may not see or agree with these reasons. personally, i dont care what critics have to say about anything. why would anyone? such a pointless 'job'. that goes for 'everybody' else aswell. this idea that if most people think something is sh!t, then i probably will aswell, is yet another fallacy.
youre making alot of claims on what you think 'most' people do...
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 3, 2019 1:47:10 GMT -5
I'm simply saying, that if 19 in 20 people dislike something, then their is usually a glaring flaw that you will also notice. I'm not saying you have to be a follower or listen to critics or public opinion, I'm just saying that people make decisions for common reasons. If most people think something, they think it for a reason. You will probably see and agree with this reason, but you may not.
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 3, 2019 1:49:13 GMT -5
Tired of posting in this thread.
I think the lyrics suck, you don't. I think the production sucks, you don't. I think it's to long, you don't.
We disagree, and no amount of arguing or discussing will change that. Is that it?
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Post by Howdo on Dec 3, 2019 6:10:00 GMT -5
Be Here Now is quality, the build up to the album was so exciting, posters of D'You Know What I Mean around, setting the tape for TOTP's when it was first shown on TV to the Right Here, Right Now doc before album release to of course actually getting the album on the day of release and blasting it out. I find it quite bizarre that there is people saying the lyrics suck, if you look back through a lot of Oasis's lyrics you'll hear a lot of dodgy lyrics from their best songs. Hearing Fade-In-Out on the Ne Here Now tour in 97 was probably one of the highlights of seeing Oasis in all my time. I still come back to Be Here Now and listen to it pretty often, i'm not a fan of rating Oasis albums as they are all quality in my opinion, you remember the release of certain songs and the excitement around an album release and them songs stick with you. Noel might not like it, but he's a grumpy old bastard these days ain't he?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 8:53:34 GMT -5
It’s largely shit because of the obvious reasons but to its credit it’s the last oasis album where Noel’s old brillant effortless songwriting shines through in patches. He had good songs and even albums after that but those sounded more worked (or were ripoffs.)
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Post by Parka Flames on Dec 3, 2019 14:10:05 GMT -5
It’s largely shit because of the obvious reasons but to its credit it’s the last oasis album where Noel’s old brillant effortless songwriting shines through in patches. He had good songs and even albums after that but those sounded more worked (or were ripoffs.) Agreed. Despite its problems, BHN still has that classic Noely G songwriting in a way that none of the later records really do. Plus the songs aren't even that long. Hey Now!, Some Might Say, Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova are all the same length as the average BHN song, but no-one complains about those.
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Post by World71R on Dec 3, 2019 15:06:56 GMT -5
It’s largely shit because of the obvious reasons but to its credit it’s the last oasis album where Noel’s old brillant effortless songwriting shines through in patches. He had good songs and even albums after that but those sounded more worked (or were ripoffs.) Agreed. Despite its problems, BHN still has that classic Noely G songwriting in a way that none of the later records really do. Plus the songs aren't even that long. Hey Now!, Some Might Say, Morning Glory and Champagne Supernova are all the same length as the average BHN song, but no-one complains about those. It also boils down to Bonehead being on rhythm and Noel on lead. He was able to write songs around riffs more, instead of just chord progressions and Bonehead's rhythm playing was aggressive and raw and cut through the mix well which helped the sound. Anyways, with the longer songs, I think it's that those songs felt natural and were able to breathe. A song like It's Getting Better (Man!!) is literally around 2-3 minutes of just "We're getting better man!" at the end while a really good outro guitar solo gets buried. It'd be like if the "You know what some might say"s on Some Might Say kept going until just before it faded out, even over that awesome guitar solo. Same with All Around the World and how there's a guitar solo after the second run through the chorus but you don't really hear it because of Liam's "Na na na"s over top of it. They just didn't let the songs breathe and do the work, and those things were what made DM and MG so great.
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Post by LlAM on Dec 3, 2019 15:22:53 GMT -5
Be Here Now is the most epic album ever. Everything about it is epic and biblical, except for Magic Pie which is a pain after the first chorus. Shortening the songs is like toning down the colours of a rainbow.
ITS GETTING BETTER MAAANN!!!!
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Post by welshylad on Dec 4, 2019 3:11:12 GMT -5
Still my favourite album. OK musically it probably isn't the best but I was 13 when that came out, and I remember my mother picking it up from Woolworths for me. Then me listening to it very quietly as my dad was in bed as he had been working nights.
Like most music for me, it's more about the feelings/memories a song/album can bring back instantly
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 6, 2019 14:50:04 GMT -5
Someone needs to make BHN longer.
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Post by LlAM on Dec 6, 2019 15:25:15 GMT -5
Someone needs to make BHN longer. It needs more NAAAAAH NAAH NAAH NA NA NAAAAAAAAAHs 🌍🌎😎
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 22:39:48 GMT -5
Sometimes a smaller turd causes more trouble flushing than a big one. Just saying
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 18, 2019 11:04:58 GMT -5
Someone needs to make BHN longer. Yes! It’s an extender!
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Post by sjc8 on Dec 22, 2019 12:33:52 GMT -5
loved be here now. it was dripping in cocaine and KFC chicken grease.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Dec 25, 2019 16:13:46 GMT -5
Some BHN tracks have Radio Edit/PV Edit. If you want shortened BHN, just put Radio edit version.
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Post by thrillhouse on Apr 7, 2022 18:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by underneaththesky on Apr 7, 2022 21:13:17 GMT -5
love those blogs, there's also "Albums I Wish Existed" and some others. couple of Oasis ones I downloaded over the years, nice stuff.
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