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Post by Let It🩸 on Jul 5, 2016 14:44:14 GMT -5
XTRMNTRSCREAM has been absolutely murked here. This is excellent news. Better crash my BMW into a retaining wall and call it a day. Post another pic of yourself whilst wearing your smert glasses and listening to whatever pretentious music's cool this week, you fucking clown. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 14:55:28 GMT -5
Noel has more variety in drummers than his set-list... who cares?
Call me if Tony or Alan shows up at a gig on the drums.
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Post by batfink30 on Jul 5, 2016 15:05:31 GMT -5
Noel has more variety in drummers than his set-list... who cares? Call me if Tony or Alan shows up at a gig on the drums. Call me if Guigsy and Bonehead show up. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 5, 2016 15:13:31 GMT -5
Shame Noel and Alan are on bad terms. Alan would have been the perfect drummer for the High Flying Birds. The first album, for instance, would be so much better if he was playing on it. Im not sure alan even plays drums anymore does he? he probably wouldve been ok I guess, think chris is probably the best option at this time, I always liked alans brother on the 2001 tour, I doubt he would've played with oasis after the issues with alan but wouldve certainly preferred him over zak starky (never fitted imo) According to Steve White his brother essentially quit music and drumming after the end of his time in Oasis, so if that's accurate he hasn't played professionally for over a decade. As Mean Mrs. Mustard has already said he is a property developer these days having invested in London and the surrounding counties by all accounts. |
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Post by batfink30 on Jul 5, 2016 15:15:38 GMT -5
Im not sure alan even plays drums anymore does he? he probably wouldve been ok I guess, think chris is probably the best option at this time, I always liked alans brother on the 2001 tour, I doubt he would've played with oasis after the issues with alan but wouldve certainly preferred him over zak starky (never fitted imo) According to Steve White his brother essentially quit music and drumming after the end of his time in Oasis, so if that's accurate he hasn't played professionally for over a decade. As Mean Mrs. Mustard has already said he is a property developer these days having invested in London and the surrounding counties by all accounts. He's probably making more being a property developer in London than he did in Oasis!!!!! |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 5, 2016 15:16:12 GMT -5
Noel has more variety in drummers than his set-list... who cares? Call me if Tony or Alan shows up at a gig on the drums. I'd be interested in Tony joining if it was on bass guitar like he supposedly offered Oasis in 1999  Not Here Now- Guardian 2004 |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 5, 2016 15:18:09 GMT -5
According to Steve White his brother essentially quit music and drumming after the end of his time in Oasis, so if that's accurate he hasn't played professionally for over a decade. As Mean Mrs. Mustard has already said he is a property developer these days having invested in London and the surrounding counties by all accounts. He's probably making more being a property developer in London than he did in Oasis!!!!! Apparently he's doing quite well. Plus of course he still earns money from the Oasis albums he played on. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 5, 2016 15:20:09 GMT -5
According to Steve White his brother essentially quit music and drumming after the end of his time in Oasis, so if that's accurate he hasn't played professionally for over a decade. As Mean Mrs. Mustard has already said he is a property developer these days having invested in London and the surrounding counties by all accounts. He's probably making more being a property developer in London than he did in Oasis!!!!! His commercial deals aren't known but in 2013 he got around his asking price for his Knightsbridge home which was on the market at the time of sale for £7,000,000- Evening Standard 2013 If he brought as well as that with his other investments he will be doing well, along with former label boss Alan McGee who trebled his Creation Records fortune in property- Music Business Worldwide- Alan McGee |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 15:54:40 GMT -5
According to Steve White his brother essentially quit music and drumming after the end of his time in Oasis, so if that's accurate he hasn't played professionally for over a decade. As Mean Mrs. Mustard has already said he is a property developer these days having invested in London and the surrounding counties by all accounts. He's probably making more being a property developer in London than he did in Oasis!!!!! He's probably pulling near half a million a year from Oasis related sales. MG is Oasis best selling record, both album and singles, and he is on everything excepting Some Might Say. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 16:13:02 GMT -5
He's probably making more being a property developer in London than he did in Oasis!!!!! He's probably pulling near half a million a year from Oasis related sales. MG is Oasis best selling record, both album and singles, and he is on everything excepting Some Might Say. seem to remember an interview where certain people were stating "Tony had to go, there was no way he could play the songs on WTSMG" but from my knowledge he played on the album version of some might say and on TOTPs on one occasion, seems to me like Tony was always played down in his ability...maybe he just took longer to learn parts...but I dont think he was incapable. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 5, 2016 16:28:38 GMT -5
He's probably pulling near half a million a year from Oasis related sales. MG is Oasis best selling record, both album and singles, and he is on everything excepting Some Might Say. seem to remember an interview where certain people were stating "Tony had to go, there was no way he could play the songs on WTSMG" but from my knowledge he played on the album version of some might say and on TOTPs on one occasion, seems to me like Tony was always played down in his ability...maybe he just took longer to learn parts...but I dont think he was incapable. I think I have posted this before but in 'Forever The People' Owen Morris talked about how he quickly realised working with the band that Tony McCarroll essentially had two settings, a shuffle or a stomp, and so he hired ex-Bible drummer Dave Larkin to give Tony drumming lessons. Interestingly Dave's view was that Tony was potentially a great drummer but only used one of his arms properly, and so he told him to get a small practice kit and rehearse various exercises to correct the problem. The day before recording 'Some Might Say' Owen met up with Tony in the studio to set up the drums for recording, and asked how the lessons were coming on to which Tony replied he had been too busy to do them. In the same piece Owen claims the drums lose it on the first chorus and are buried in the mix somewhat, which is unfortunate for a great rock n' roll track. I think with Tony McCarroll he had physical problems drumming that could be corrected with practice, but more serious was the mental blockages brought about by his personality clashes with the rest of the band, particularly with Guigsy and Noel with both being documented as being very harsh with Tony on a personal level. IMO it not only affected him personally being subject to that abuse but actually regressed his abilities to the point he was doing the shuffle or stomp simply to get the songs out of the way, hopefully in his mind without incurring any further abuse from the other band members. In hindsight it was probably best that he left when he did, and perhaps replacing him before going in to record Definitely Maybe may well have solved at least a few of the issues with those sessions. Whatever the case at least when he did leave he could go in the knowledge he made a decent wedge out of playing on one of the best British debut LP's made, and that his name would always be recorded as having done that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 16:45:57 GMT -5
seem to remember an interview where certain people were stating "Tony had to go, there was no way he could play the songs on WTSMG" but from my knowledge he played on the album version of some might say and on TOTPs on one occasion, seems to me like Tony was always played down in his ability...maybe he just took longer to learn parts...but I dont think he was incapable. I think I have posted this before but in 'Forever The People' Owen Morris talked about how he quickly realised working with the band that Tony McCarroll essentially had two settings, a shuffle or a stomp, and so he hired ex-Bible drummer Dave Larkin to give Tony drumming lessons. Interestingly Dave's view was that Tony was potentially a great drummer but only used one of his arms properly, and so he told him to get a small practice kit and rehearse various exercises to correct the problem. The day before recording 'Some Might Say' Owen met up with Tony in the studio to set up the drums for recording, and asked how the lessons were coming on to which Tony replied he had been too busy to do them. In the same piece Owen claims the drums lose it on the first chorus and are buried in the mix somewhat, which is unfortunate for a great rock n' roll track. I think with Tony McCarroll he had physical problems drumming that could be corrected with practice, but more serious was the mental blockages brought about by his personality clashes with the rest of the band, particularly with Guigsy and Noel with both being documented as being very harsh with Tony on a personal level. IMO it not only affected him personally being subject to that abuse but actually regressed his abilities to the point he was doing the shuffle or stomp simply to get the songs out of the way, hopefully in his mind without incurring any further abuse from the other band members. In hindsight it was probably best that he left when he did, and perhaps replacing him before going in to record Definitely Maybe may well have solved at least a few of the issues with those sessions. Whatever the case at least when he did leave he could go in the knowledge he made a decent wedge out of playing on one of the best British debut LP's made, and that his name would always be recorded as having done that. Tony is always one area I sour on Noel over tbh, from what ive heard from different people, Noel was just a right shit to him, just feel its unnecessary, interestingly enough going from Noels own comments it sounds like Tony not being able to get the drums right for the intended first single bring it on down led to Noel writing supersonic so that worked out for him. Ive always felt that Tony gave early oasis a unique sound, it might not be the most technical stuff created but he brought something that none of the others drummers brought to the table, it just worked. I agree though, it was best he did go, oasis took off so fast, they needed someone to get into quickly and he clearly needed more time to get to grips with things, without the support of all band mates (probably more of a hindrance) either, it probably didnt give him much desire to get better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 16:55:09 GMT -5
Tony McCarroll was definitely the best for Oasis. Rock 'N' Roll star has a groove that was lost when he left. He didn't do anything complicated, but he threw in a few simple fills that enhanced the song instead of getting in the way, and played with a steady beat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 8:10:28 GMT -5
Tony McCarroll was definitely the best for Oasis. Rock 'N' Roll star has a groove that was lost when he left. He didn't do anything complicated, but he threw in a few simple fills that enhanced the song instead of getting in the way, and played with a steady beat. BWAHAHAHA! |
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Post by bestwick8 on Jul 8, 2016 1:06:01 GMT -5
For those people who have seen the recent shows with Chris sharrock is there actually a noticeable difference in the songs between his drumming and Jeremy?
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Post by comaboy on Jul 8, 2016 5:20:57 GMT -5
Well i would rather have the mysterious Terry, but Chris is also very good. Liked him at DOYS Tour.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 8, 2016 6:14:42 GMT -5
Well i would rather have the mysterious Terry, but Chris is also very good. Liked him at DOYS Tour. Terry Kirkbride wasn't that mysterious, he was drummer for The Sandkings and Proud Mary, with the latter being signed by Noel Gallagher to put out the 'Same Old Blues' album in 2001 which was unfortunately a flop- The Guardian 2001- Who the hell are...Proud Mary (Interesting in that The Guardian actually liked an Oasis related debut single) NME- Proud Mary Review- Predictably not fans and IIRC were quite entertained when the LP sold only circa 500 in it's first week Terry then went on to drum for Noel with Gem before last being spotted with NoaKo TakaHashi with whom he formed The Marbles Jackson in 2009, garnering airplay on 6 music and regional FM sessions. |
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Post by globe on Jul 8, 2016 7:47:07 GMT -5
Better crash my BMW into a retaining wall and call it a day. Post another pic whilst wearing your smert glasses and listening to whatever pretentious music's cool this week, you fucking clown. Thanks. Good to see I'm spreading the Dundonian lingo on here  |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 8, 2016 10:26:05 GMT -5
Tony McCarroll was definitely the best for Oasis. Rock 'N' Roll star has a groove that was lost when he left. He didn't do anything complicated, but he threw in a few simple fills that enhanced the song instead of getting in the way, and played with a steady beat. He was fucking awful on Some Might Say though... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 11:37:15 GMT -5
Tony McCarroll was definitely the best for Oasis. Rock 'N' Roll star has a groove that was lost when he left. He didn't do anything complicated, but he threw in a few simple fills that enhanced the song instead of getting in the way, and played with a steady beat. He was fucking awful on Some Might Say though... I think it is really good. 1. Headshrinker 2. See The Sun 3. Bring It On Down 4. Supersonic 5. Some Might Say |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 8, 2016 12:06:06 GMT -5
He was fucking awful on Some Might Say though... I think it is really good. 1. Headshrinker 2. See The Sun 3. Bring It On Down 4. Supersonic 5. Some Might Say He can't have been that good on Some Might Say when even the producer stated he buried the drums in the mix because the drummer "lost it" towards the first chorus..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:24:09 GMT -5
I think it is really good. 1. Headshrinker 2. See The Sun 3. Bring It On Down 4. Supersonic 5. Some Might Say He can't have been that good on Some Might Say when even the producer stated he buried the drums in the mix because the drummer "lost it" towards the first chorus..... in that case is there any particular reason why they didnt just rerecord his drum parts with alan? or just rerecord the song altogether? (I cant recall the recording timeline of some might say) |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 8, 2016 12:49:09 GMT -5
I think it is really good. 1. Headshrinker 2. See The Sun 3. Bring It On Down 4. Supersonic 5. Some Might Say He can't have been that good on Some Might Say when even the producer stated he buried the drums in the mix because the drummer "lost it" towards the first chorus..... I try and not beat down on Tony where I can, because he's already had enough of it, I think. And you know, his drumming on Slide Away was perfectly adequate. But his efforts on Some Might Say are utterly inexcusable. A bad drum track is one thing (hey, half of the High Flying Birds songs have lousy drum tracks, and they still sound alright (for the most part)), but when you're so bad that the producer has to go in and purposefully make it so that no-one can hear what you've played, by clipping and brickwalling everything to scandalous levels, that's just not on. I mean, just listen to this... I'm not saying that the above version is necessarily better than the one we've got - no doubt it lacks the punch of the album one - but what it does do, is highlight the subtle beauty of the track that gets lost in Morris's mix. That lead guitar work!... And Liam's voice in the outro!...  McCARROLL!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 13:00:33 GMT -5
I mean, just listen to this... McCARROLL!!This version has ZERO punch to it. It's so empty you can practically walk around in it. It's reminiscent of the demo to Live Forever in how it's really dry and airy. The drums do suck to be fair though. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 8, 2016 13:58:23 GMT -5
He can't have been that good on Some Might Say when even the producer stated he buried the drums in the mix because the drummer "lost it" towards the first chorus..... in that case is there any particular reason why they didnt just rerecord his drum parts with alan? or just rerecord the song altogether? (I cant recall the recording timeline of some might say) Some Might Say was released on 24th April 1995 with Tony McCarroll having played his last gig two nights before at Sheffield Arena, so the single had been receiving airplay and promotion already so Alan White wasn't even in the frame at that point. I suppose the reason for not rerecording beforehand in April was time constraints and trying to press ahead with the promotional calendar and bringing in either a sessions drummer or permanent replacement would have held things up, although in hindsight the latter would have just been speeding up the inevitable. IIRC Alan White did want to rerecord the drums for the actual album, but this was vetoed by Noel on the grounds of time constraints, including that lost after the Rockfield session fights that temporarily halted recording. |
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