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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2016 14:17:19 GMT -5
So here are all the demos that will end up on the EP, in the order of the tracklist. I think it flows well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2016 14:17:19 GMT -5
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 22, 2016 18:42:33 GMT -5
Don't hesitate to share your thoughts (on the flow, the actual demos, which demo has the most potential, etc) if you're fearlessness enough to go through these 6 songs. @supermario carlober Cast guigsysEstring theyknowwhatimean What are you thoughts on this ? Hey lubeck unsurprisingly I am on the road at the moment, so I will have a sit down and listen Sun/Mon and give you my thoughts then if that's OK
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jul 23, 2016 10:39:09 GMT -5
I will listen properly later, but looks good from initial skip through. One thing I would say is had to turn my speakers up quite a lot, try boosting the volume before uploading to YT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 11:38:13 GMT -5
I will listen properly later, but looks good from initial skip through. One thing I would say is had to turn my speakers up quite a lot, try boosting the volume before uploading to YT. Yeah sound is kind of an issue. It sounds ok before uploading on youtube, then it sounds very low.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jul 23, 2016 16:44:38 GMT -5
These sound great, Lübeck! I can hear the Oasis influences and your voice sounds a bit like Elliot Smith. I saw on the previous page that you're planning to record your songs with full-band arrangements. Are you planning to turn them into rock or pop songs? Cuz you might be better off with using a stripped-back approach; these demos have a very nice, simple sound that you don't want to lose when adding electric guitars, drums, and bass. I also assume that you're planning on sending these recordings to a record company to try your luck? In that case, you should probably ditch your cover of Half the World Away (as nice as it is) because you want to present what you yourself can write, not what Noel can write. You also gotta be careful in case one of the execs is also an Oasis fan - he may be a bit too attached to tune original to like your interpretation. Overall it sounds great, and I look forward to hearing the final recordings of your songs!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 18:00:56 GMT -5
These sound great, Lübeck! I can hear the Oasis influences and your voice sounds a bit like Elliot Smith. I saw on the previous page that you're planning to record your songs with full-band arrangements. Are you planning to turn them into rock or pop songs? Cuz you might be better off with using a stripped-back approach; these demos have a very nice, simple sound that you don't want to lose when adding electric guitars, drums, and bass. I also assume that you're planning on sending these recordings to a record company to try your luck? In that case, you should probably ditch your cover of Half the World Away (as nice as it is) because you want to present what you yourself can write, not what Noel can write. You also gotta be careful in case one of the execs is also an Oasis fan - he may be a bit too attached to tune original to like your interpretation. Overall it sounds great, and I look forward to hearing the final recordings of your songs! Thanks a lot for the feedback, man ! The general feel will be more "pop" than "rock". Actually, only "Mrs Brown" and "The Day of Karl Spensson" could be called "rock songs", especially the first one. No acoustic guitars on these two tracks. The rest will be more tender, even though "Liar" will have dark electric guitar tone to it. Also a lot of strings on there, especially tracks 4 and 6, with an armenian violin jam between the sides. I see what you mean about "Half The World Away". I've thought to put it on there because it fitted really well between "Village's Story" and "Liar". I've one song that could replace it, but I don't think it's enough strong. The rest of my songs will not fit. I hope my voice will gain more edge soon. I like Smith's voice (and I love his songwriting) but generally, I find it a bit too depressing (but I take the similarity for a compliment, so thanks ).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 18:29:49 GMT -5
By the way, does it anyone knows if it's still possible to send demos to labels and receive answers ?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 25, 2016 2:38:54 GMT -5
By the way, does it anyone knows if it's still possible to send demos to labels and receive answers ? All major labels do not accept unsolicited demos so that is Universal Music Group, Sony Music Group, Warner Music Group and EMI Records labels who themselves are part of Universal these days, with the same rule applying for their music publishing divisions. They instead either scout artists themselves or are approached by legal or management representatives whom they have dealings with, and so will not necessarily accept a demo from any legal or management source either. The major labels rule can also be applied to recorded music and digital rights management divisions of major media companies including Bertelsmann, Disney and Fox Entertainment Group (formerly News Corporation). Independent record labels may or may not accept demos, it is down to company policy so you will need to contact suitable labels directly on an individual basis. The same also applies for established management companies for representation which in most cases is the only way to get onto major label radars, although groundswell and hype can fuel interest. Most independents and management entities will tell you that the sheer volume of unsolicited demos they receive means if you don't get a response within a few weeks then they aren't interested. Likewise this is partially the reason for the majors attitude, as they receive a deluge annually that never get heard simply because they were not approached via the correct channels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 3:18:58 GMT -5
guigsysEstring thanks a lot again, for all these informations and details !
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Post by carlober on Jul 25, 2016 9:59:21 GMT -5
lubeck , I haven't forgotten about your demos but I need a little time to wake up to sit and listen to them. I'll do that tomorrow
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 25, 2016 10:06:19 GMT -5
Sorry lubeck , I was at a wedding over the weekend, and I've gotta sort some finance-related things out today, but I'll get on it soon!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2016 10:06:49 GMT -5
lubeck , I haven't forgotten about your demos but I need a little time to wake up to sit and listen to them. I'll do that tomorrow Oups sorry, edited the wrong post, my mistake. Don't worry, you have all the time you want
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 12:03:03 GMT -5
Recording sessions are postponed of 10 days...
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Post by carlober on Jul 28, 2016 11:01:27 GMT -5
I finally listened to these, sorry for the delay lubeck! I like what I'm hearing, I think there's a lot of potential in those little tunes. I especially like Gonna Show (I don't know, I get some early-Stereophonics vibes from that one) and Liar (I really like the melancholic pace). Unsurprisingly, your guitar playing -in terms of chords used and strumming patterns- is kinda Noel-ish, which is a great thing For what my opinion is worth, I'd avoid putting loud electric guitars in there. I'd keep the song scoustic-based, and maybe add an electric in some places for embellishments and little arpeggios.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jul 28, 2016 11:29:10 GMT -5
Hi lubeck sorry for the delay, Just to echo what has already been said by mystoryisgory and carlober really, in that I think your songs and voice lend themselves well to stripped back versions. I particularly enjoyed The Day of Karl Spensson and Gonna Show, which reminded me of Matthew Jay, Elliot Smith and Stereophonics early days In terms of demos for professionals to listen to such as labels or management I would personally drop the cover as such recordings do not add any value to someone listening to your potential as a singer-songwriter, when your own songs will demonstrate your skills far better. If you did want to flesh out the sound consider alternatives to simply putting overly heavy drums and loud guitars on the songs, and maybe listen to the way Beta Band, Matthew Jay and more interesting acoustic artists have developed their own unique sounds to get inspiration This is one from Matthew Jay, a singer-songwriter whose music and shows I enjoyed but sadly died in 2003 just short of his 25th birthday- a great song though called 'Let Your Shoulder Fall' which avoided the garage guitar sounds of 2001 when it was released in place of his own ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 14:16:44 GMT -5
carlober guigsysEstring thanks a lot for the feedbacks ! Glad you like it About the inspirations, I must confess I've never really listened to early Stereophonics. I would say my main inspirations are Oasis (obviously), The Kinks, The Stones, The Verve, Belle & Sebastian, The La's, Ride, The Beatles, Bowie, Alvvays debut, etc. I quite like Elliot Smith aswell, but I wouldn't say it's one of my main influences. The main feel of the EP will be acoustic. Piano solo on Village's Story, strings on Liar and Gonna Show aswell. The only rock song will be "Mrs Brown", with some funky drums. Very Sticky Fingers alike. The rest will be more tender, more "baroque", if it's the right word, even though "Liar" will have Verve-ish guitars (inspired by- I'm not Nick McCabe ahah), and proeminent strings About my voice, I'm still a bit "shy" about it but I will definitely give more into the studio
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 12:29:33 GMT -5
Oh and the tunes are put in reverse chronological order, for what it's worth guigsysEstring hadn't seen you adviced to not put a cover if I want to send the EP to labels. Better take or write an other tune, then !
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Post by World71R on Jul 31, 2016 1:57:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the tag. I'll check these out tomorrow when I have a little more time, but from what I've heard already, I'm sure they will sound great.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 16:15:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the tag. I'll check these out tomorrow when I have a little more time, but from what I've heard already, I'm sure they will sound great. Take all the time you want
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 16:55:08 GMT -5
My two cents... As others have said, you need to own the vocals. Go for it. man. Don't doubt yourself. You'll never regret doing it, you'll only regret not doing it. The songs are fine, so sing them proper. You'll find after a while of doing music that loads of people can play music, but few can sing it. If you don't feel you can do the songs justice vocally, then by all means, find someone to sing for you. There is no shame in getting a good singer to elevate your tracks.
Below are some thoughts on each track...
Mrs.Brown: Nice bouncy feel. Middle 8 is a pleasant surprise and the best part of the song to me.
Village Story: Dark, a bit moody. I like it. I really wish I knew what you were singing though.
HTWA: Don't be afraid to make the song your own. You know the song great, so feel free to do YOU on it.
Liar: Feels a bit plodding until the solo at 3:40ish. I'm not sure this song goes anywhere.
The Day of Karl Spensson: I like the more upbeat tone of this track. The background noises kind of distract from the demo. I'd imagine that won't be an issue when recording this track proper.
Gonna Show: Lovely intro. I really like this song. Feels like it could really soar with a powerful vocal. Go for it! Don't hold back.
If you are going to do it, then do it all the way!
Good luck, mate.
Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 17:13:47 GMT -5
My two cents... As others have said, you need to own the vocals. Go for it. man. Don't doubt yourself. You'll never regret doing it, you'll only regret not doing it. The songs are fine, so sing them proper. You'll find after a while of doing music that loads of people can play music, but few can sing it. If you don't feel you can do the songs justice vocally, then by all means, find someone to sing for you. There is no shame in getting a good singer to elevate your tracks. Below are some thoughts on each track... Mrs.Brown: Nice bouncy feel. Middle 8 is a pleasant surprise and the best part of the song to me. Village Story: Dark, a bit moody. I like it. I really wish I knew what you were singing though. HTWA: Don't be afraid to make the song your own. You know the song great, so feel free to do YOU on it. Liar: Feels a bit plodding until the solo at 3:40ish. I'm not sure this song goes anywhere. The Day of Karl Spensson: I like the more upbeat tone of this track. The background noises kind of distract from the demo. I'd imagine that won't be an issue when recording this track proper. Gonna Show: Lovely intro. I really like this song. Feels like it could really soar with a powerful vocal. Go for it! Don't hold back. If you are going to do it, then do it all the way! Good luck, mate. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for the long feedback, man ! I pretty much agree with everything you say. I'm definitely gonna sing it, I'll give 20 times more in the studio, now that the songs have been worked, rehearsed. It was just that I wasn't that confident about the songs. Talking of the songs, I have aswell almost the same opinion. Liar, which seems a throaway at first, will have absolutely gorgeous strings played by my stepmother. It was my least favourite tune, and I still think it is, but her work is mega. Improves the song a lot. HTWA might be replaced by a song called "As She's Gone". Anyway, thanks for commenting and the encouragements
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Post by World71R on Aug 2, 2016 0:12:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the tag. I'll check these out tomorrow when I have a little more time, but from what I've heard already, I'm sure they will sound great. Take all the time you want I'm sorry for being a little late! I checked them out tonight and these were my thoughts on them: Mrs. Brown: This song is wonderful. It has such a friendly melody to it and you really nail the vocal performance. The breakdown in the bridge is also really cool. Probably your top track imo. Village's Story: This one sounds like it has a unique attitude to it that is grandiose in some ways. If you're doing strings on Liar, I'd certainly suggest doing a brooding cello and/or violin part for this song as well. Half the World Away: Beautiful cover. In a few parts, I thought I heard some subtle drumming in the background which was cool. I also liked how you made it your own by adding some scat and little embellishments. I wouldn't recommend putting it on your EP but if you're doing a single, it'd be a great B-side. Liar: This one reminds me of a cross between Losing My Religion by R.E.M. and Dust in the Wind by Kansas for some reason or another. Either way, I like it how it sounds melancholic but still has some grit to it. The solo near the end definitely keeps things lighter but the vocals at the end bring it back to the ground. This will sound really cool with strings on it; good idea! The Day of Karl Spensson: In this song, your influences really shine through and it makes for a really nice and bright sounding song. I'd just recommend it to be a little longer but as it is, it's pretty good. Gonna Show: I like the melody and your vocals on this. As someone said before, the intro was beautiful, but I also have to say that I loved the outro. You did those falsettos really well and the whole song is sweet and sounds like something you wrote with someone special in mind as it really shines in the song. That was exciting to go through your songs and listen to what you've got! I wish you the best with making the EP and I'm excited to hear how the studio recordings will sound. It all sounds really good so far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2016 6:31:58 GMT -5
World71R thanks a lot for the positive feedbacks ! I'm glad you like it About Village's Story, it's a bit "baroque". It's the only song I haven't all the arrangements at the moment. There will have a piano solo for sure, but your idea of adding a cello seems really good. Will try this to see if that's work Oh and you said "the influences shine through" about The Day of Karl Spensson. What are the influences for you ?
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Post by World71R on Aug 2, 2016 22:06:07 GMT -5
World71R thanks a lot for the positive feedbacks ! I'm glad you like it About Village's Story, it's a bit "baroque". It's the only song I haven't all the arrangements at the moment. There will have a piano solo for sure, but your idea of adding a cello seems really good. Will try this to see if that's work Oh and you said "the influences shine through" about The Day of Karl Spensson. What are the influences for you ? It sounds like it has The La's, Oasis, Ride, and a little bit of David Bowie but also with a little bit of Stone Roses, since it has some similar vibes as Sugar Spun Sister which is really cool.
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