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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 6:06:25 GMT -5
I call that moment in the record "the holy trifecta" Top 3 on the album, for me aswell. Maybe with YWCGB thrown in there, and Riverman not far behind. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 27, 2017 7:23:18 GMT -5
HFB
Everybody's On The Run - 9/10
Dream On - 6/10
If I Had A Gun - 8/10
Death of You and Me - 8/10
Record Machine - 8.5/10
What A Life - 6.5/10
Soldier Boys - 6/10
Broken Arrow - 7/10
Stranded - 7/10
Stop the Clocks - 9/10
CY
Riverman- 9/10
Heat of the Moment - 7.5/10
Girl with X-ray Eyes - 6/10
Lock All The Doors - 6.5/10
Dying of the Light - 8.5/10
Right Stuff - 9/10
While the Song - 6.5/10
The Mexican - 6/10
You Know We Can't Go Back - 8.5/10
Ballad of the Mighty I - 9/10
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2017 7:26:49 GMT -5
I'm a bit indecisive about which album I like better. I'm not sure if CY really has better songs or simply features better production work than HFB.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Jan 27, 2017 8:34:11 GMT -5
There are four songs on CY that I really Like (Riverman, The Right Stuff, WTSRTS and BOTMI). The rest of it is Noel by the numbers for me.
I never liked The Dying of the Light. I find the lyrics to be very cliché-ridden.
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Post by Rolo on Jan 27, 2017 8:34:57 GMT -5
I'm a bit indecisive about which album I like better. I'm not sure if CY really has better songs or simply features better production work than HFB. I have a hard time deciding sometimes as well. If we put them up against each other.. Everybody's On The Run vs Riverman = Riverman Dream On vs In The Heat Of The Moment = In The Heat Of The Moment If I Had A Gun vs The Girl With X-Ray Eyes = If I Had A Gun The Death Of You And Me vs Lock All The Doors = The Death Of You And Me Record Machine vs The Dying Of The Light = Record Machine What A Life vs The Right Stuff = The Right Stuff Soldier Boys vs While The Song Remains The Same = While The Song Remains The Same Broken Arrow vs The Mexican = Broken Arrow (The Mexican live would beat Broken Arrow for me) Stranded vs You Know We Can't Go Back = You Know We Can't Go Back Stop The Clocks vs The Ballad Of Mighty I = Stop The Clocks It comes out at 5 a piece for me so that was completely pointless, I still don't know. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2017 10:04:59 GMT -5
I'm a bit indecisive about which album I like better. I'm not sure if CY really has better songs or simply features better production work than HFB. I have a hard time deciding sometimes as well. If we put them up against each other.. Everybody's On The Run vs Riverman = Riverman Dream On vs In The Heat Of The Moment = In The Heat Of The Moment If I Had A Gun vs The Girl With X-Ray Eyes = If I Had A Gun The Death Of You And Me vs Lock All The Doors = The Death Of You And Me Record Machine vs The Dying Of The Light = Record Machine What A Life vs The Right Stuff = The Right Stuff Soldier Boys vs While The Song Remains The Same = While The Song Remains The Same Broken Arrow vs The Mexican = Broken Arrow (The Mexican live would beat Broken Arrow for me) Stranded vs You Know We Can't Go Back = You Know We Can't Go Back Stop The Clocks vs The Ballad Of Mighty I = Stop The Clocks It comes out at 5 a piece for me so that was completely pointless, I still don't know. Yeah, those songs are completely incomparable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 10:14:40 GMT -5
How the fuck can people claim to be able to judge a song in steps of 0.1? Like, how the hell do you tell if a song is a 7.4, a 7.6 or a 7.7?? Just wondering, because even a 0.5 scale is really hard imo. This said, nearly two years after CY's release: Riverman 9/10 In The Heat Of The Moment 7/10 The Girl With The X-Ray Eyes 7/10 Lock All The Doors 8/10 The Dying Of The Light 9/10 The Right Stuff 8/10 While The Song Remains The Same 9/10 The Mexican 8,5/10 You Know We Can't Go Back 9/10 Ballad Of The Mighty I 9/10 Damn, I still really really like this album! I go back after my initial grading and then try to separate between songs that have the same grade. For example: You have both 'In The Heat Of The Moment' and 'Girl With X-Ray Eyes' graded at a 7... do those two songs actually sit equally in your mind? If they do, then 7 is fine. If you like one a bit more but not to the level of Lock All The Doors (8), then you give it a bit a boost to show your true ratings of the songs. That's it. I don't really analyse things as deeply as you might think. I just try to differentiate between songs a bit more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 11:45:24 GMT -5
had dave sardy not sucked the life out of HFB it would probably be the better record overall imo though CY has the more interesting tunes like BOTMI.
3rd album has to be expansive yet again.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Jan 27, 2017 12:24:49 GMT -5
had dave sardy not sucked the life out of HFB it would probably be the better record overall imo though CY has the more interesting tunes like BOTMI. 3rd album has to be expansive yet again.That's true. I was impressed with CY at first but after some time I started to see the flaws it has. Do we really need songs like Lock All The Doors or YKWCGB? I might aswell listen to My Big Mouth or I Hope I Think I Know. That being said I have hope for this upcoming release and I am looking forward to it  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2017 13:19:27 GMT -5
Well, one should do what one is best at.
I always like it when artists try new things, but what's the point if I don't like it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 13:24:32 GMT -5
Well, one should do what one is best at. I always like it when artists try new things, but what's the point if I don't like it? but then is it really that good to remain in a holding pattern with no change? many bands and singers have become increasingly hated for simply putting out the same thing over and over and over, I think you have to have a destination to work towards otherwise your on a shelf life. while songs like lock all the doors are fine imo, hes done it before, it doesnt offer anything thats different. I understand that Noel shouldnt be doing things that wont work but I think hes proved himself in songs like BOTMI for me that shows he can go more into that style of music and not lose the magic that he has in his melodies etc. |
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Post by Rolo on Jan 27, 2017 15:18:28 GMT -5
I don't care at all if it's "different and experimental", I just want it to be good, that's the main thing here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 15:30:22 GMT -5
I don't care at all if it's "different and experimental", I just want it to be good, that's the main thing here. tbh its quite unlikely that it wont be good, Noel releasing a poor record would be a first, HC was probably the closet he came and his stuff was mostly the strongest stuff on the album anyway, HFB 1 is good even if its safe. if we got CY part 2 I wouldnt mind, I just would prefer something different. the worry of it not being good doesnt really factor in for Noel, for Liam yes but not Noel. Noels beyond that question of "can he release a good record?" hes got the talent to make it good, the only time he might compromise that is doing something outrageous and making the wrong choice in direction but we all Noel is too safe in nature to go too far out of his comfort zone. theres always a chance it might not be good but its not a chief concern for me, Noels bar is higher than that, I expect more from him than simply delivering an acceptable record. |
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Post by godgimmesoul on Jan 27, 2017 15:37:12 GMT -5
The Right Stuff 5/10. MAX. It's woeful.
That is all.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 27, 2017 15:53:40 GMT -5
I don't care at all if it's "different and experimental", I just want it to be good, that's the main thing here. Same. Would be interesting to see him experiment with other genres, but am not really bothered if it will be CY 2.0. As long as the songs don't sound too similar.. |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jan 27, 2017 16:25:34 GMT -5
i just hope he doesnt decide to scrap this and start again,,all this talk about it being complete by the time of glasto seems to much of a deadline to meet especially with the U2 gigs coming up he may need to rehearse but then again the set he will do he could do in his sleep glasto is 114 days away will HFB#3 be complete by then im on the fence,,just hope he doesnt do a CY and wait 6 more month
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 16:31:42 GMT -5
i just hope he doesnt decide to scrap this and start again,,all this talk about it being complete by the time of glasto seems to much of a deadline to meet especially with the U2 gigs coming up he may need to rehearse but then again the set he will do he could do in his sleep glasto is 114 days away will HFB#3 be complete by then im on the fence,,just hope he doesnt do a CY and wait 6 more month put it this way as you said Noel probably wont play anything too out of the ordinary so he doesnt really need to rehearse whatever after hes played 8000 times already. hes been back in the studio since around october? and he so called had half the album done when he was still touring CY so glastonbury is perfectly doable, just depends whether he decides to take a long ass break after hes done touring with U2 because Noel wouldve released CY, toured CY, started HFB 3, toured with U2 then release HFB 3, tour HFB 3, seems abit hectic for Noel but we will see. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 27, 2017 19:44:18 GMT -5
I go back after my initial grading and then try to separate between songs that have the same grade. For example: You have both 'In The Heat Of The Moment' and 'Girl With X-Ray Eyes' graded at a 7... do those two songs actually sit equally in your mind? If they do, then 7 is fine. If you like one a bit more but not to the level of Lock All The Doors (8), then you give it a bit a boost to show your true ratings of the songs. That's it. I don't really analyse things as deeply as you might think. I just try to differentiate between songs a bit more. That's actually pretty clever, I like it! X-Ray Eyes is a weird song for me - didn't like it much when it was released, didn't listen to it much either...but listening to it now I really appreciate the song's sound and atmosphere (even if the lyrics are terrible and the melody extremely unoriginal in places). |
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Post by Jessica on Jan 27, 2017 23:06:18 GMT -5
I still think Chasing Yesterday is the better album. I don't really care where he goes with this next album, but I don't want another HFB era sounding one. We got enough of those as b-sides this last time around and I'm sure there's going to be more.
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Post by World71R on Jan 28, 2017 17:09:50 GMT -5
had dave sardy not sucked the life out of HFB it would probably be the better record overall imo though CY has the more interesting tunes like BOTMI. 3rd album has to be expansive yet again. I would love to hear an Achtung Baby-style album out of Noel. Being that he's working with a producer like David Holmes, and with the rumors that he's doing something that is "fun" and "rocking", I think it's very possible that he could release a solid rock album with electronic touches that's light-hearted but rough around the edges. Even though it'd be great to hear a couple songs in the vein of TRS, it would be nice to hear something a little rough around the edges since it just feels like a lot of Noel's solo work feels too polished at times. |
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Post by World71R on Jan 28, 2017 18:37:16 GMT -5
Using the selection idea to compare HFB and CY:
Everybody's on the Run
In the Heat of the Moment
The Girl With X-Ray Eyes (close one but the album version of IIHAG drags on a little too much)
The Death of You & Me
Record Machine
The Right Stuff
While the Song Remains the Same
Broken Arrow
You Know We Can't Go Back
Ballad of the Mighty I
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 22:58:21 GMT -5
Found a interesting interpretation of Stop the Clocks:
"Stop the clocks and turn the world around" -> End of Oasis, end of life as he knew it. Now it's time for a breather.
"Lock the box and leave it all behind/On the backseat of my mind/And when the night is over/Where will I rise?" -> Leave Oasis behind, lock it up and forget it (hopefully not forever, I'm looking forward to a comeback), but now that he's without a band, what will happen??
"What if I'm already dead/How would I know?" -> Bet it feels kinda empty to go solo after being in a band for such a long time. And since Oasis has come to an end, how does Noel know he ain't 'dead and forgotten' now that there's no band anymore?
"Lost inside my head, behind the wall/Do they hear me when I call?/And when the night is over/Where will I fall?" -> He's living in his own world with his songs, and is wondering how the public will respond to his stuff, and where he's gonna end up with his career without Liam.
"And now the night is over/There'll be no sound" -> Coolest part. Now the 'night' (whether that be his time with Oasis, or, more like what I think, the time in between the break-up and the release of his album) is over, it's all calm, it's alright.
It's a little ironic that Noel wrote this song ages ago for Oasis, but chose to record it only now. I mean, to me the song so obviously about the end of something massive. It's totally the Outside the Wall of his album, the grande finale of the huge post-Oasis syndrome. And of course there's something bittersweet about ending with a song that was supposed to have been recorded with the group, but becomes a intimate pondering on what it's like to be outside that same group. Nice song though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 13:41:13 GMT -5
Probably not the first to have thought this. But would a 20th anniversary re-release of NGHFB's first 3 albums be called the Chasing the Rainbow series?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2017 14:14:38 GMT -5
Every time I think about listening to HFB I can't face it. The songs are all good or great, it's just fucking Dave Sardy sucking the soul out of it.
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 13, 2017 8:22:02 GMT -5
Every time I think about listening to HFB I can't face it. The songs are all good or great, it's just fucking Dave Sardy sucking the soul out of it. I think it's the only album apart from maybe SOTSOG where on first listen I just didn't like it. Whereas with SOTSOG I got into the album the more I listened, I still can't be arsed with HFB. Even the Beady Eye and latter Oasis albums on the first couple of times I listened I enjoyed them before the flaws became really obvious to the point I stopped liking certain songs. But Noel's debut is unlistenable for me. I was much happier with Chasing Yesterday and I'm really looking forward to hearing his new stuff working with someone new. |
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