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Post by andymorris on Sept 21, 2024 7:21:08 GMT -5
was thinking in 2020 that Wandering star was the cheesiest song noel could write
then he came up with easy now.
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Post by Terrasolo on Sept 21, 2024 7:43:54 GMT -5
was thinking in 2020 that Wandering star was the cheesiest song noel could write then he came up with easy now. I know we are all very different people with very different tastes, but I am surprised by both of these to be honest. I love them both. But then, my first sentence on this post covers that, I guess.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 21, 2024 10:31:45 GMT -5
was thinking in 2020 that Wandering star was the cheesiest song noel could write then he came up with easy now. I know we are all very different people with very different tastes, but I am surprised by both of these to be honest. I love them both. But then, my first sentence on this post covers that, I guess. Yeah different tastes, absolutely. but Noel used to write very sweet and soft songs without being too cheesy. the melodies in both those songs are kinda generic and could be written by anybody; They dont have that NG trademark. Nice melodies with a darker tone.
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Post by shannee on Sept 21, 2024 17:44:16 GMT -5
I know we are all very different people with very different tastes, but I am surprised by both of these to be honest. I love them both. But then, my first sentence on this post covers that, I guess. Yeah different tastes, absolutely. but Noel used to write very sweet and soft songs without being too cheesy. the melodies in both those songs are kinda generic and could be written by anybody; They dont have that NG trademark . Nice melodies with a darker tone. A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded
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Post by shadowcaster on Sept 21, 2024 20:03:09 GMT -5
Yeah different tastes, absolutely. but Noel used to write very sweet and soft songs without being too cheesy. the melodies in both those songs are kinda generic and could be written by anybody; They dont have that NG trademark . Nice melodies with a darker tone. A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Very true. Noel has always had a knack for capturing universal truths in his songs, his melodies are nearly always fairly uncomplicated in order to be accessible to the average listener. However I do agree that in some cases he can absolutely take this too far to the point of becoming generic, see Wandering Star for example
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Post by PepsiNebula on Sept 21, 2024 22:43:33 GMT -5
Yeah different tastes, absolutely. but Noel used to write very sweet and soft songs without being too cheesy. the melodies in both those songs are kinda generic and could be written by anybody; They dont have that NG trademark . Nice melodies with a darker tone. A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Well, occasionally they are. Otherwise he wouldn't be paying other artists royalties.
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Post by andymorris on Sept 22, 2024 1:36:05 GMT -5
Yeah different tastes, absolutely. but Noel used to write very sweet and soft songs without being too cheesy. the melodies in both those songs are kinda generic and could be written by anybody; They dont have that NG trademark . Nice melodies with a darker tone. A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Early Noel's ballads were not that generic. Stuff like Take Me Away or Married with Children have a very unusual path that leads to the chorus, and of course lyrics, especially the latter. sad song has a rhythm that prevents it to be a sirupy ballad; Half the World Away and Talk Tonight dont have that "exploding chorus" that go in the higher range, they stay in the same range as the verses and of course the theme of the song makes it a bit raw. Rockin chair is produced and sung a way that dont make the song cheesy. All those songs have in common to be storyteller songs, on the edge between pop music and folk. Wonderwall is unique, being a "hip hop" ballad. Stand by Me doesn't ring as a generic ballad either with its twist and turn between the verse, then the unexpected middle 8 and the "calmer" chorus. the first one that could be "generic" is Dont go Away... but he stole that one hehe ! Then the folk side disappear slowly in his ballads: you go into Sunday Morning Call that is the first very generic ballad. Let There Be Love was worked enough to be almost not, but is kinda too. the duet kinda hides the genericness of it though. I suppose you can still do irony if you are an indie band though. I hope this comes back into the next Oasis record, coz noel's kinda lost that side of him in his songwriting.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 22, 2024 2:26:57 GMT -5
A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Early Noel's ballads were not that generic. Stuff like Take Me Away or Married with Children have a very unusual path that leads to the chorus, and of course lyrics, especially the latter. sad song has a rhythm that prevents it to be a sirupy ballad; Half the World Away and Talk Tonight dont have that "exploding chorus" that go in the higher range, they stay in the same range as the verses and of course the theme of the song makes it a bit raw. Rockin chair is produced and sung a way that dont make the song cheesy. All those songs have in common to be storyteller songs, on the edge between pop music and folk. Wonderwall is unique, being a "hip hop" ballad. Stand by Me doesn't ring as a generic ballad either with its twist and turn between the verse, then the unexpected middle 8 and the "calmer" chorus. the first one that could be "generic" is Dont go Away... but he stole that one hehe ! Then the folk side disappear slowly in his ballads: you go into Sunday Morning Call that is the first very generic ballad. Let There Be Love was worked enough to be almost not, but is kinda too. the duet kinda hides the genericness of it though. I suppose you can still do irony if you are an indie band though. I hope this comes back into the next Oasis record, coz noel's kinda lost that side of him in his songwriting. He's written some great ballads for NGHFB tho Dead in The Water, Dead to The World, If I Had a Gun, even We're on Our Way Now I'd argue has a quite generic chorus but strong, moody verses, and there's some ironic, quirky stuff among the b-sides
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Post by Firefly on Sept 22, 2024 11:45:56 GMT -5
Thought Wandering Star was meant to be a Christmas song?
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Post by The Escapist on Sept 22, 2024 11:49:27 GMT -5
A lot of Noel’s songs feel like they could be written by anyone., but they never are. He has a way of using familiar melodies and phrases, that’s why the songs go to the heart. I hear you though on he can take it too far. It reminds me of an essay I was reading by David Foster Wallace last night. He says artists can no longer produce completely sincere work with no irony because everyone is so jaded Early Noel's ballads were not that generic. Stuff like Take Me Away or Married with Children have a very unusual path that leads to the chorus, and of course lyrics, especially the latter. sad song has a rhythm that prevents it to be a sirupy ballad; Half the World Away and Talk Tonight dont have that "exploding chorus" that go in the higher range, they stay in the same range as the verses and of course the theme of the song makes it a bit raw. Rockin chair is produced and sung a way that dont make the song cheesy. All those songs have in common to be storyteller songs, on the edge between pop music and folk. Wonderwall is unique, being a "hip hop" ballad. Stand by Me doesn't ring as a generic ballad either with its twist and turn between the verse, then the unexpected middle 8 and the "calmer" chorus. the first one that could be "generic" is Dont go Away... but he stole that one hehe ! Then the folk side disappear slowly in his ballads: you go into Sunday Morning Call that is the first very generic ballad. Let There Be Love was worked enough to be almost not, but is kinda too. the duet kinda hides the genericness of it though. I suppose you can still do irony if you are an indie band though. I hope this comes back into the next Oasis record, coz noel's kinda lost that side of him in his songwriting. Great point about "Half the World Away" never bursting into a higher register. They're the small details which show the unique magic Noel had from '93-96 - pure emotion, freely expressed.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Sept 22, 2024 12:13:37 GMT -5
“I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free.” — Michelangelo
Noel does the same with songs.
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